Return to the Cloudy Nights Telescope Reviews home pageAstronomics discounts for Cloudy Nights members
· Get a Cloudy Nights T-Shirt · Submit a Review / Article

Click here if you are having trouble logging into the forums

Privacy Policy | Please read our Terms of Service | Signup and Troubleshooting FAQ | Problems? PM a Red or a Green Gu… uh, User

Equipment Discussions >> Mounts

Pages: 1 | 2 | (show all)
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis)
      #5481499 - 10/21/12 07:12 AM

Hi,

ive got an understanding issue with my new GP-DX. I dont get how the RA circle works



from left to right. theres an Arrow pointing to the black circle and a noniusscale on the green metal casing.
it would make sense if these + the black scale are used to find objects. BUT the small thumbscrew fixes the blackscale to the casing, which means it wont move if you rotate the scope around the RA axis.
The next ring with a scale(the shiny/silver/white one) is fixed to the axis, but i take it that this one is for the polarscope if i attach the protective cover im not even able to see that scale.

this is what i would see when im done setting the scope up. the black scale is fixable and isnt fixed to the axis. How am i suppost to use that if bose scales are fixed to eachother o_0



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
rmollise
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/06/07

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5481635 - 10/21/12 09:48 AM

It is a little confusing. If I recall--I have never used the tiny setting circles on GEMS much--you Leave the screw loose during object location. When you are on an object, you tighten it down so the RA reading will remain the same as the mount tracks. The black scale is a vernier to increase your accuracy somewhat.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: rmollise]
      #5481716 - 10/21/12 10:49 AM

thanks for your reply.

Quote:

en you are on an object, you tighten it down so the RA reading will remain the same as the mount tracks.




This would mean the ra axis and the ra circle dont have a hard connection, otherwise it would block the ra axis too if i tighten the thumbscrew.

Right now my ra circle is just "floating" on the ra axis. sometimes it moves sometimes it doesnt. i already opened the whole thing. but i dont see how this should work :/. circle and axis obviously can be connected with a screw -> would render the blocking screw useless

here are a few more pictures of the inside
http://arnholm.org/astro/gpdx/index.htm


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
rmollise
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/06/07

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5481752 - 10/21/12 11:13 AM

I'm not at all sure what you mean by "hard connection." You tighten the little screw above the circle to _keep it from changing as the scope tracks_. If you do NOT do that, your RA circle's reading will become progressively farther off. If it sometimes moves and sometimes does not move, you don't have the thumb screw either loose or tight enough.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: rmollise]
      #5481835 - 10/21/12 11:59 AM

with hard connection i mean screwed to the axis for example. this would mean i couldnt lock the ring because it would lock the axis too.

right now i can lock the ring. but if i do not lock it it will just float randomly around the axis. its not bound at all to the axis.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
rmollise
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/06/07

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5481955 - 10/21/12 01:33 PM

The little setscrew doesn't have anything to do with locking the mount's axis. Don't believe me? Try it.

When it's not locked down, that exactly what SHOULD happen.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: rmollise]
      #5482040 - 10/21/12 02:25 PM

Quote:

The little setscrew doesn't have anything to do with locking the mount's axis. Don't believe me? Try it.




i know. if i screw it down i lock the circle

if i dont screw it down the circle rotates freely. with free i mean moving the axis has no effect on the circle because its not connected in any way to it


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Starhawk
Space Ranger
*****

Reged: 09/16/08

Loc: Tucson, Arizona
Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5482476 - 10/21/12 06:21 PM

It's free to move so you can align it with local time. The polar scope has to be aligned with the pole, so it is separate.

I know this sounds odd, but at the end of the day, they aren't really all that useful. It is vastly easier to point at an object (like Vega or Sirius, for example), and use it to set the setting circles if you want to use them.

-Rich


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
rmollise
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/06/07

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5482609 - 10/21/12 08:04 PM

Quote:



i know. if i screw it down i lock the circle

if i dont screw it down the circle rotates freely. with free i mean moving the axis has no effect on the circle because its not connected in any way to it




One last time:

Loosen the setscrew to find objects.
Tighten to track.

But it is your mount, and I think you should use it any cotton-picking way you want to...


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: rmollise]
      #5483009 - 10/22/12 02:34 AM

losening the setscrew has virtually no effect. it still wont turn with the ra axis (its not connected to it in anyway, it just touches it)

if i losen the setscrew and put the protective cover on, the ra circle will be fixed, because the drag of the protective cover on the circle overcomes the drag between the circle and the axis. the cover is just an example it doesnt even need that much drag to stop the ra circle from moving. even without any resistance at all the ra circle wont follow properly


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
rmollise
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/06/07

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5483192 - 10/22/12 07:42 AM

Should definitely turn with the RA axis when the setscrew is fully loosened...

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: rmollise]
      #5483246 - 10/22/12 08:50 AM

exactly.
and i want to know why my isnt doing it/ how the ra circle should be connected to the axis, because i can not find anything about it :/ i even took it apart but there is nothing to connect the axis with the circle.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
rmollise
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/06/07

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5483560 - 10/22/12 12:22 PM

I believe that typically there was no connection, friction caused the circle to move with the RA axis. Sounds like your circle is loose.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: rmollise]
      #5484797 - 10/23/12 05:55 AM

thanks for your help.

but the parts do not look worn down :/

it would be awesome if someone with the same or similar mount would take a look at it. i Really want to know how it is suppost to work.

Edited by yashi (10/23/12 05:56 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Wouter D'hoye
Carpal Tunnel
*****

Reged: 06/27/03

Loc: Belgium
Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5484802 - 10/23/12 06:14 AM

Hi,

I own a GP-DX and I have to agree with Rod. Now it's possible that the ring is loose and that you need to somehow tighten it on the shaft so it has better grip and rotates with the shaft. Mabe just applying some tape on the shaft so it fits more snugly could do the trick.

I have one too, i'll try to take a look at it when I get home this evening.

Kind regards.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: Wouter D'hoye]
      #5484871 - 10/23/12 08:32 AM

thanks this would be awesome!

if it all fails i will do it with tape. but seriously i thought the gp-dx is decently made...how worse could it be, if i have to fix a mechanical instrument with duct-tape O_O


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
yashi
super member


Reged: 11/15/11

Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5486703 - 10/24/12 09:47 AM

so far i couldnt find a solution

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
planet9
member


Reged: 01/23/13

Loc: UK
Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: yashi]
      #5940936 - 06/26/13 06:23 AM

hi Sorry for digging out old thread, but this is very relevant to what I am up to these days. Have you got answers to this questions? cheers.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
orlyandico
Post Laureate
*****

Reged: 08/10/09

Loc: Singapore
Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: planet9]
      #5940943 - 06/26/13 06:33 AM

Search on Google for the Takahashi EM10 manual.

It has a very good description of how to use these setting circles.

They are actually very cool. Poor man's GoTo that works all the time...


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
John Carruthers
Skiprat
*****

Reged: 02/02/07

Loc: Kent, UK
Re: GP-DX understanding Problem (RA Axis) new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5942510 - 06/27/13 04:05 AM

You can find the gp-dx manual here;
http://arnholm.org/astro/gpmanual/

The verniers are good but take some getting used to. If you ever used vernier calipers it comes easier.

As mentioned, off set from a known target is a quick way to get aligned.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | (show all)


Extra information
19 registered and 45 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  Dave M, richard7, bilgebay, iceblaze 

Print Thread

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled


Thread views: 1888

Jump to

CN Forums Home


Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics