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Asbytec
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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: ziridava]
      #5562316 - 12/09/12 12:01 PM

Mircea, I wish you steady skies for another attempt. Nice report.

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ziridava
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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Asbytec]
      #5562529 - 12/09/12 02:09 PM

Thank you Norme!
I wish to see an image like your sketch but actually the sketch of Rutilus is describing better the way I saw 32 Ori.
I wish clear sky to everybody,I had to shovel snow more times today.
I will try to split 32 Ori next time,sometime.
Regards,Mircea


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: ziridava]
      #5570322 - 12/14/12 04:55 AM

32 Ori certainly splits quite nicely with my 5" Mak ( a lot better than 52 Ori, which has a similar separation) - I don't see any colour difference though, maybe because of the small aperture of the Mak and its rather "cold" colours.

Chris


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Asbytec
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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: cildastun]
      #5570335 - 12/14/12 05:24 AM

Nice to know you split it, it's a nice double. I did not see any color in my Mak, either.

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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: ziridava]
      #5586657 - 12/24/12 05:11 AM

Sorry Pete and Norme- I've been away the past few weeks with work and just got back for the Christmas period.
Many thanks for your comments on my drawing.
Yes Norme, with my 102mm Apo scope 32 Ori has a blusish/white appearance to my eyes.

Edited by Rutilus (12/24/12 05:14 AM)


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Rutilus]
      #5586936 - 12/24/12 10:21 AM

Well Rut you made a helluva comeback within 42!!

Pete


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ziridava
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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: azure1961p]
      #5588368 - 12/25/12 11:42 AM

After my Christmas Eve guest left last night, I set myself to double star observing.
Initially the seeing was 3/10 Pickering but latter improved to 5/10 ,still not very good.
I wasn't able to split 52 Ori,neither Zeta Ori or the dim,small companion of Sigma Ori,not speaking of the actual target 32 Ori.
It was already half past two in the morning,all this session looked to be a waste of time.
In a last attempt I directed my 125mm F/7 Dobsonian to Delta Geminorum and to my surprise, hardly visible but visible,the companion was there at about PA=about 220 degree.
So I come back to Eta Ori and ,,voila'' this star was resolved at 144x/Radian 6mm in two touching Airy discs,the companion a bit fainter than the primary,maybe one magnitude fainter,being at PA =60-70 degree.On a better sky my scope will split this star like a breeze, somewhat reminding me Pi Aquilae.
I hope for a night with better seeing to train again my telescope on Eta and 32 Ori.
I'm still fascinated with Orion,what a gold mine of celestial treasures.

Merry Christmas everybody,Mircea


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: ziridava]
      #5588927 - 12/25/12 09:31 PM

Mircea, add 42 Ori to your list. That was a challenging split. I wish you some good seeing.

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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Asbytec]
      #5588940 - 12/25/12 09:45 PM

Mircea,

Nice report despite the poor seeing. I DID have a nice time with doubles the other night. Sigma Orionis is stunning at 70x and 91x - it's this strung out multiple that's rather unique. Castor was perfect and even the trap with e and f and all in 4/10 seeing just hovering neath 100x.

Thirty two Orionis is a sight too, simpler but charming and well lit. I'm learning this winter just how rich the constellation is in doubles and multiples. There's ALWAYS something I overlooked in astronomy.

I'm sure in better seeing your long focus 127mm reflector will come through. It sounds like quite the instrument. 32 isn't so hard but like all doubles the seeing needs to sit down a bit. I'd like to hear how you persevere here in the future.

I was going to go out tonight but I cancelled. I observe behind my condo but with everyone still coming back from where ever it's too many passerbys. I sincerely enjoy the quite solitude - lol - despite the condo challenge!

Pete


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ziridava
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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: azure1961p]
      #5589646 - 12/26/12 12:26 PM

Thank you Norme
I will try ,and I guess keep on trying, on 42 Ori.
I understood from the reports this double star is much harder than Delta Cyg and Iota Leonis,which are not always easy to split.So I'm not having high hopes but I will definitely try,thank you for the suggestion.
I'm quite curious about what will happen.
Until now on my ,,hall of shame'' there are three big failures:
-Lambda Cyg where ,sometime,I see a ghost or shadow between the first diffraction ring and the Airy disc , and this is the most I can see there when seeing and colimation cooperate
-E and F stars in Trapezium;I saw them with my 8 inch F/6 Dobsonian but they refuse to show in the 125mm Dobsonian
-Sigma 1126, a 0.9 '' double,East to Procyon in Canis Minor

Thank you Pete,nice observing session,you had very good seeing,I use Sigma Ori to test the seeing,to know what to expect.
I will keep you updated about my future attempts on 32 Ori and other.I have not see E and F stars in Trapezium and many other.
Like you ,I enjoy solitude even if sometime I participate to outreach like ISAN or IAY:

http://observoergosum.blogspot.ro/2010/12/iay-100hoursofastronomy-la-aradvine...

http://observoergosum.blogspot.ro/2010/02/isan-ii-12-aprilie-2008.html

After that,I start to growl if I'm disturbed while observing my beloved double stars.

Merry Christmas once again,Mircea


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: ziridava]
      #5590648 - 12/27/12 01:39 AM

Growling is good, Mircea. It keeps the coyotes at bay.


John


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: 7331Peg]
      #5594527 - 12/29/12 02:24 PM

Reading this thread prompted several attempts at 42 Ori. DAT'S one tough nut to crack!

The field in my 10 inch will show 42 and 43 Ori. 43 Ori has a distinct yellow shading (F Class) which helps to confirm which star to concentrate on. There are three slightly dimmer stars and ~ 1/2 dozen in the 12-14 mag range.

The best I've been able to get is an elongation at 300X and VERY brief hints at the star being split, along an axis E-W. A line from the companion through the primary points roughly to the field star between 42 and 43 Ori. Perhaps after this next storm passes by this can be confirmed with a bit more power.

Tec MC250/12 and 10MM Ethos provided the 300X, and best view so far.


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #5594998 - 12/29/12 07:38 PM

Yes, one tough nut. It took nearly an hour just to be pretty sure I saw it. It can be done, though.

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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Asbytec]
      #5595706 - 12/30/12 09:01 AM

Just need a return to our Westerly weather pattern...soon, I hope.

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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #5599173 - 01/01/13 08:05 AM

Sunday night I made the last observation of 2012 using my 125mm F/7 Dobsonian.
The seeing was at least 7/10 if not 8/10 on the Pickering scale.
As a warm-up and to find the right focusing I observed all the six stars in the Lockyer sequence:Rigel,Mintaka,Alnitak, ,Sigma,Lambda,52 Ori,all resolved.
Latter I was happy to split very clearly 32 Ori and Eta Ori.
I started at 116x/Celestron ,,orange'' 7.5mm Plossl (very good ocular),173x/Vixen 5mm Ortoscopic,232x/Plossl 7.5mm 2X Barlow.
Some peculiarities:
- 52 Ori was split only at 173x-unstable and 232x-stable image
- Sigma Ori's dim and tight companion was seen only at 232x
- 32 Ori was noticeable easier to split than 52 Ori
- Eta Ori seemed harder to split than I remember Pi Aquilae to be,maybe the companion is dimmer

I failed on Sigma 1126 ,East of Procyon and E and F stars in Trapezium.Maybe I saw a glint forming a triangle with A and B stars, but never confirmed as a stable image of a star.

Happy New Year to everybody,regards,Mircea


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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: Asbytec]
      #5608302 - 01/06/13 12:53 PM

I split 32 Orionis on Jan 4, 2013. I used a 5mm Radian for 180X in my WO 120mm f/7.5 refractor. It was one of those rare nights of good seeing. I didn't get a shot at 52 Orionis because I blew a fuse and lost power. The 2 spares I had were bad as well. Eta Orionis, Sigma Orionis and Alnitak looked good as well.

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Re: 32 Orionis new [Re: astro4565]
      #5609147 - 01/06/13 07:59 PM

AH, blew a fuse! You know, I wanted to be free from extension cords and went with a non driven mount. Not as convenient, but in the tropics the power can fail at the wrong time or access to a dark sky site has no power. Yea, less convenient, but star hopping works. It's challenging, part of a philosophy to reconnect with the sky.

Anyway, glad you had some good seeing and nailed a couple. I found Alnitak a nice double and easily split, too.


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