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csrlice12
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5712162 - 03/04/13 09:44 AM
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Hmmm, who knew you could stuff a 235lb person into a 4.5" dob ota.......and have room left over...
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Kraus
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5712445 - 03/04/13 12:37 PM
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That's funny Lice. I can see the cartoon now.
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RogueGazer
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5713192 - 03/04/13 07:35 PM
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I was going to suggest handcuffs but that walker idea is almost as good.
My wife and I do foster care and the kids are never easy and dealing with their parents is even worse. The 4 sibling kids we are fostering now had addict parents who have be raising them to be thugs. One child we discovered needed glasses. He started wearing them and liked them until his mom said she hated him wearing them so he stopped. She also doesn't like how we dress her kids. They don't look gangster enough. Since being in our home over 1 year their behavior has greatly improved. They now have rules and there are always consequences for breaking them. Now they are starting to prefer our lifestyle over their parents lifestyle. The oldest now refuses to even visit her parents and the next oldest is also saying he doesn't want to see them despite our encouraging him to do so. I guess they are lucky their parents rarely show up to the scheduled visits so that decision is made for them.
I think deep down inside these bratty kids want to be better but they don't know any different. Kids usually idolize their parents until about 10 years old. That's when they start thinking their parents are actully stupid. Unfortunately the bratty kids at these events are the ones that need inspired the most. I applaud anyone who does any kind of outreach service. I would freak out if anyone put their slimy hands on my scope. 
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Achernar
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5713293 - 03/04/13 08:24 PM
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I bet he was fighting mad, I would be in his shoes in more ways than one. That is one reason why I wouldn't bring an expensive telescope. The other thing I have noticed that most parents will watch their kids, it's when there's lots of kids and few adults to supervise them the potential for problems arises. But throwing something into someone's telescope is the worst outrage I've ever heard of someone doing at an outreach event.
Taras
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Skylook123
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5713504 - 03/04/13 10:21 PM
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I was going to suggest handcuffs but that walker idea is almost as good.
My wife and I do foster care and the kids are never easy and dealing with their parents is even worse. The 4 sibling kids we are fostering now had addict parents who have be raising them to be thugs. One child we discovered needed glasses. He started wearing them and liked them until his mom said she hated him wearing them so he stopped. She also doesn't like how we dress her kids. They don't look gangster enough. Since being in our home over 1 year their behavior has greatly improved. They now have rules and there are always consequences for breaking them. Now they are starting to prefer our lifestyle over their parents lifestyle. The oldest now refuses to even visit her parents and the next oldest is also saying he doesn't want to see them despite our encouraging him to do so. I guess they are lucky their parents rarely show up to the scheduled visits so that decision is made for them.
I think deep down inside these bratty kids want to be better but they don't know any different. Kids usually idolize their parents until about 10 years old. That's when they start thinking their parents are actully stupid. Unfortunately the bratty kids at these events are the ones that need inspired the most. I applaud anyone who does any kind of outreach service. I would freak out if anyone put their slimy hands on my scope.
And we must applaud what your efforts are bringing to four precious lives. Your story made my day.
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StarStuff1
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5718247 - 03/07/13 11:46 AM
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Yes RogueGazer, thank you and your wife for you other public service. 
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Classic8
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5747358 - 03/21/13 11:12 AM
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The walker is a great idea. It's easier to lose your balance in the dark, especially when leaning over to look through an eyepiece, and the natural thing is to grab onto something.
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bluesteel
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5778784 - 04/04/13 11:20 PM
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Jeez. If I tried to pull some of the awful stuff posted when I was a kid, I wouldn't be sitting for a week! It seems to me that the kids who have no respect for other people's property usually are the ones with less than spectacular parental units. As RogueGazer posted, their environment can mean a world of difference, and you do not have to be monetarily wealthy to provide that.
Unfortunately for the human race, our brains are wired to remember negative experiences better than positive ones. Think of the poor fool who had to eat the poisonous mushroom to realize (too late of course) it was indeed no good for consumption. Others remember that negative, for great reason, and continued with their lives, knowing not to eat that type of mushroom.
...as for those people who destroy the observing gear, citizens arrest?
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Matthew Ota
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Re: Wild and unruly kids
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#5857240 - 05/13/13 11:14 AM
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What I do now is work with the kids. I place them in command of the telescope by putting them behind the keyboard. I have them slew the telescope using TheSky software. I tell them this is how I used to work at Mount Wilson Observatory when I was a telescope operator there. I am showing them how a professional telescope operator works. By putting them in control of my telescope, I am giving them an unforgettable experience that I hope will instill a lifelong interest in astronomy, science and mathematics in them.
In 1970 the seventh grade a science teacher placed me behind an eyepiece. I now am passing the baton to a new generation.
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