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Wireless Observing Freedom
      #551763 - 08/09/05 12:59 PM

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Tom Trusock]
      #551803 - 08/09/05 01:35 PM

Too bad the Zodiac used in the article has been discontinued.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: lighttrap]
      #551914 - 08/09/05 02:51 PM

What about a Sony PSP?

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Emanuele]
      #552775 - 08/10/05 07:21 AM

Surely any PDA that can run the software and bluetooth will do.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Mogster]
      #552792 - 08/10/05 08:08 AM

What a cool review! This is exactly the sort of thing I've been looking for - I have a Zodiac and've been looking for something like Astromist or Astroplanner for handy field reference.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Emanuele]
      #553180 - 08/10/05 01:08 PM

Emanuele,

I briefly looked at the psp specs and I didnt see Bluetooth, it seems it does have a USB port though. I see no hardware reason why the PSP could not do the same thing if it had a Bluetooth dongle. But you would have to have somone program Astromist or another planetarium program for its OS and also write the drivers to control the scopes. Personally I dont see it happening as I dont think any developers out there recognize this type of market for the PSP, although it would handle it elegantly with its hardware I think.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: mirage]
      #553182 - 08/10/05 01:09 PM

I'm running Astromist on my Palm Tungsten T - really really cool. Controls my NS11 via a serial cable. Unsure if I'll go wireless (the T has bluetooth built in) but since my laptop also has bluetooth (EquinoX does not support bluetooth at this time) I may.

Nice article!

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Mogster]
      #553192 - 08/10/05 01:13 PM

Mogster,

Hi, yes I believe that any pda with sufficent processor speed to run Astromist fairly well should have no problem. Also, if you have a serial connection to your pda you can use a second AirCable to act in place of the built-in Bluetooth of the Zodiac. There are also Bluetooth cards available for some PDA's as well.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: rboe]
      #553210 - 08/10/05 01:19 PM

Hi Ron,

Thanks I am glad you liked it. I am not familiar with Equinox but it may already support Bluetooth, one of the features of most Bluetooth implementations is they allow for com port emulation through the Blue Tooth device. I would look at your Laptop to see if when you have Bluetooth enabled you have a com port associated with it. I do on my Toshiba, this then can be selected in your Equinox app and used to control the scope via Bluetooth. Also the wireless aspect is the best part, I just love the freedom of going wireless.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Run]
      #553447 - 08/10/05 03:35 PM

I have an Apple. I suppose I could put in a symbolic link to the Bluetooth port - but com ports are out as you know them on the Windows/DOS side.

The author is looking to Bluetooth support. Starry Night is good though.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: rboe]
      #555844 - 08/11/05 11:53 PM


Read the article and bought Astromist. Just what I've been looking for. I have a ton of astronomy programs and this is the first one that really works on a PDA. Great review.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: JerryWise]
      #556042 - 08/12/05 04:45 AM

Jerry,

Thanks, Im glad you enjoyed it.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Run]
      #556899 - 08/12/05 08:02 PM

OK, here is the same question I asked on the Sky Map Pro group on Yahoo.

Why would an observer want to do this complex hookup?

Please don't post a message to say that "it is really neat". That is the ONLY answer I could get on the Yahoo bunch. I am hoping to find out what specific task you are doing with this rig that makes your observing better than just showing up with a good observing list and using the hand paddle on my Nexstar 11 GPS? I have yet to hear a good answer.

Anybody doing this for a REAL reason?

Steve Coe

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: stevecoe]
      #557073 - 08/12/05 10:17 PM

There are many roads to Rome. Does it matter which one you take as long as you get to Rome and have some fun doing it? For me, a good visual cue does wonders. The Palm is smaller than a laptop and easier (and cheaper to loose) to lug out there. Although I can see doing both. But there are times when you want to simplify.

And I really get bugged by wires. I'm not too sure if I want to pay the entry fee in this case but I just may.

So it may be cool, but it also solves a real world problem for me - showing me where in the sky some of this stuff is in relation to the horizon and other stuff.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: stevecoe]
      #557322 - 08/13/05 02:31 AM

Steve,

Hi, let me take a crack at this then. First let me give you a bit of background and a list of reasons why I went this route. Being in business for myself now after many years in the high tech industry I have become a time management based professional, being such I rely heavily on a Palm PDA. It handles my bookings, my schedule, my billing, in field research notes, an electronic portfolio of my work and a myriad of other duties. Now I will be the first to admit to being a tech toy kind of guy but everyone that knows me professionally knows I don’t buy things I don’t use or cant get an ROI out of.

So, first off I am heavily invested in and use a Palm PDA, mine happens to be a Zodiac. I love to take advantage of things I use for business in my personal life as well; I hate carrying a Laptop and have a huge 17” one for work but don’t want to lug it around on my free time. So I went looking for a nice Planetarium and found Astromist which is awesome in its capabilities and does exactly what a laptop version would do, tell me what’s up, what’s coming up, where it is and hey I want to search by type of object too. Plus, it has pictures of everything it shows me, helps me locate it and has a beautiful presentation of the night sky in real time. Very little of the above can be handled as elegantly by the Celestron Hand Controller plus it’s a two line text display, a bit backward in this day and age of color LCD’s on phones. I’m not beating up Celestron either; they provide a great product for the price. I just like graphics and ease of use and am willing to pay for it.

Secondly, I hate cables! Being in Tech I have to live with them but I don’t have to like them. So I take every opportunity I can to get rid of or manage them in a way that minimizes their negative impact on my life. When it came to the hand controller on my NS11, the only thing I actually hated was the cabling from the HC to the fork arm. Not only is it too short but also the places where it connects are not optimum for use at all. Plus holding it in ones hand during use puts a possible wire tangle into the near future. A minor issue is that I am handicapped and the thought of more wires on the ground giving me one more opportunity to pull a Laurel and Hardy and possibly damage my scope was abhorrent to say the least. So I always try to make my environment as safe as possible for me, and that means getting rid of wires & cables, BTW did I mention that I Hate cables

Third, I don’t think there is anything so complex to get this all working, I don’t think anyone should go buy a PDA and all the other things needed just to say they can run a scope wirelessly, but if you have a PDA with Bluetooth or a Bluetooth card and a scope and you like using graphical representations rather then textual displays to accomplish these tasks, then I think there is very little complexity involved in getting this to work.

One of the things I have found that really worked out well was demonstrated the last time I went observing with a bunch of my friends. None of them know anything about Astronomy and they all wanted to look at stuff but had no idea about what was up there, what it looked like or how to find it. But I could easily put an eyepiece in, show them how to focus and while standing well back with my other friends I could select an item in Astromist’s display and command the scope to slew there. My friends could remain at the scope and when the slew was finished start looking. I didn’t have to ask them to step aside, grab the HC, step through the much more cumbersome menus to see what cool stuff was up and then choose that to slew too and then step back away for my friends to get in again. This was a much friendlier and more socially pleasant experience of guiding someone in their first viewing through a scope. And, there were fewer cables for my friends to possibly trip over at the scope if they had moved anyway. One other aspect of this scenario showed itself when the people at the scope interrupted the group I was conversing with to ask if they could look at something else, well the group I was conversing with could all see the PDA display and all felt they could have input to what to look at as they viewed the display with me and asked questions about certain aspects and agreed as a group as to what they wanted to choose. Wow, a much greater social interaction then one person walking over and just taking control of a hand controller to decide what to show someone.

Another benefit directly to me is that I have been away from Astronomy for about 10 years, in that time I have become rusty as to what’s up and where it is, plus I truly enjoy sharing info about the items looked at with those around me. One reason I like small groups is that viewing things in the sky at night can start the most amazing where do we come from, where are we going, how old is the world conversations. And having the PDA right there with color pictures to pull up of Globular Clusters, Planetary Nebulas, Galaxies, etc… makes the viewing experience that much richer and informative. I also love having a database of facts at my fingertips, books and charts are so much harder to use under the night sky but a PDA is fast and can cull through information much more efficiently than I can with a book or magazine. I only wish Burnham’s Celestial Handbooks were in electronic form for PDA searching and perusal, what a great thing that would be. I love the myths and legends associated with the night sky and would love a reference on PDA so I could share those legends with others as well.

This reply has run on much longer than I intended, I’m sorry about that and sorry it wasn’t a simpler answer, but I do think you now have a few good reasons why someone would want to do this. One last thing, the Zodiac has an analog Joy Stick and slewing around in real time is really neat , Hope you don’t mind just couldn’t resist.

Have a good one and Clear Skies to you

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: Run]
      #1382052 - 01/25/07 03:55 AM

Thanks a bunch, you just cost me $46 australian .

I have to say thought the install could have been a bit easier, but hey theres just no pleasing some folks lol.

Great app though thanks for the review.

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Re: Wireless Observing Freedom new [Re: rboe]
      #1382965 - 01/25/07 04:05 PM

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I have an Apple. I suppose I could put in a symbolic link to the Bluetooth port - but com ports are out as you know them on the Windows/DOS side.

The author is looking to Bluetooth support. Starry Night is good though.




Ron,

I too use Apple. I want to run my NS11 wirelessly and found the article very helpful. My first atttemp will be by using a PowerBook with Starry Night and eventually get a Palm, but that may change. Did you see the Steve Jobs keynote of the new I-Phone? You can see it on the Apple site. It comes with OSx and blue tooth, so it should be able to get into something like this. All you need is a whole lot of money.

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