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Carl Kolchak
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21st Century Atlas of the Moon
      #5535442 - 11/23/12 12:54 PM

Hi all

Has anyone heard about this new atlas from Charles Wood
and Maurice Collins? At first I looked the page over to make sure this wasn't an April fools joke.

Here is the information page at LPOD for the 21st Century Atlas of the Moon. I mean it has to be good right with Mr. Wood's insight on lunar formations, etc. And the price looks right too, $29.95. It says it will ship December 8, 2012.

Check out the page and see if you think the atlas covers the whole lunar nearside or is it just specialized areas and the nearside is not covered? (see contents page)

peace & clear skies


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5535564 - 11/23/12 01:51 PM

It looks like it covers the entire nearside, but appears an awfully large area of coverage to each plate, meaning a small scale. I'm thinking I'll keep my original Rukl and my new Cambridge atlas and pass on this one.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5535871 - 11/23/12 05:08 PM

Looks interesting. At $ 29.95 interesting enough that I will buy a copy as soon as available.

Stephan


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5536637 - 11/24/12 04:28 AM

Just placed my order

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5539556 - 11/25/12 10:44 PM

Looks like a fine addition to my astro-library. I will get this.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: DavidNealMinnick]
      #5551085 - 12/02/12 09:21 PM

Just ordered mine!!....I'll let ya' know!!!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5555437 - 12/05/12 10:35 AM

I'm putting this thread in my favorites.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5555446 - 12/05/12 10:41 AM

Richard,

Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered my copy! I'm a sucker for a good lunar atlas. And Charles Wood is behind it? A no-brainer for us lunies. I like, too, that the atlas is spiral bound for easy use at the telescope.


Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5555450 - 12/05/12 10:43 AM

I received this message from LPOD:

"Thanks for ordering our Atlas! It will be mailed to you soon, hopefully reaching US addresses within a week after Dec 12."

Mike


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Carl Kolchak
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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5557991 - 12/06/12 05:54 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered my copy! I'm a sucker for a good lunar atlas. And Charles Wood is behind it? A no-brainer for us lunies. I like, too, that the atlas is spiral bound for easy use at the telescope.






Hi Mike,

You're welcome. I'm glad you ordered one. You'll let us know how it stands up to scope side use.

Looks like this atlas came out Nov. 18, I wish I'd seen it before but life got in the way. I check LPOD every day except from Nov 18 - Oct 21 I was in the hospital recovering from a stroke. It will be awhile before I'm scope side but I'm working on it.

I think Mr. Wood's commentary on an atlas like this should be awesome. I remember reading his, The Modern Moon: A Personal View, along with the 2nd edition of Rukl's atlas was a great learning experience for me regarding the Moon. I highly recommend reading/using both at the same time on cloudy nights.

I look forward to some reviews when everyone starts to get this atlas.

peace & clear skies


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5558060 - 12/06/12 06:45 PM

Hi Richard,

Sorry to hear about your illness. I hope you're feeling better soon so you can get back out there to enjoy la Luna with the rest of us Lunatics!

I enjoyed reading Wood's The Modern Moon. I didn't think to read it while referring to Rukl's. That's the way to do it.

I will definitely take Wood's Atlas out for some Moon viewing ASAP and give a report here.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5577156 - 12/18/12 11:30 AM

Have not rec'd my copy as of today, 12/18/12......anyone????

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5577200 - 12/18/12 12:07 PM

Still waiting for mine, 12/18/12.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5580791 - 12/20/12 02:25 PM

Today's LPOD, BACKGROUND, has info on a shipment of the atlas.

Chuck Wood said:

Quote:

Note: "The boxes of the 21st Century Lunar Atlas were delivered to my house on Wednesday - tomorrow they start being mailed out in the sequence that the 125 pre-orders were received."




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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5581443 - 12/20/12 08:55 PM

Thanks so much for the 'heads-up" Carl!! You rock!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5594681 - 12/29/12 04:16 PM

... they're on the way, as this LPOD on December 26, 2012 shows

Be well all!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Mare Nectaris]
      #5594734 - 12/29/12 05:12 PM

Let us try to cultivate patience.


Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5598065 - 12/31/12 02:17 PM

I received mine today. It was postmarked on the 27th and sent via media mail rate (slower delivery?)

At first glance it is a very high quality printing, thick glossy pages should stand up well to a lot of use. Definitely worth the cost and wait!

Steve


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: sglamb]
      #5598070 - 12/31/12 02:22 PM

Quote:

I received mine today. It was postmarked on the 27th and sent via media mail rate (slower delivery?)

At first glance it is a very high quality printing, thick glossy pages should stand up well to a lot of use. Definitely worth the cost and wait!

Steve




Steve,
OMG, your sig! You have some amazing telescopes!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5598503 - 12/31/12 06:20 PM

Got mine today, two or three days after I ordered it.

Bill


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: la200o]
      #5598524 - 12/31/12 06:32 PM

Rec'd mine today (12/31/12).....considerably more than two or three days since I ordered it!...(more like 29 days )... But it is an awesome book!!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: la200o]
      #5598673 - 12/31/12 08:07 PM

Will these be available on Amazon? I just got a gift certificate.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Doc Willie]
      #5598734 - 12/31/12 08:54 PM

Quote:

Will these be available on Amazon? I just got a gift certificate.





no-according to his web site
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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5602195 - 01/02/13 11:53 PM

Got mine in the mail today! This is well worth the cost.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: tecmage]
      #5604897 - 01/04/13 02:17 PM

Is it primarily based on LRO photos? Or something older?
How is the scale, compared to something like the Rukl atlas?
Is there token coverage of the farside?
Are the charts rectified (no foreshortening)?
Is there a lot of discussion on the origins of various features, or is it primarily an observer's atlas? Chuck Wood has a way of mingling all of it together - did he go one way or the other on this?


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5618007 - 01/11/13 08:57 PM

Quote:

Is it primarily based on LRO photos? Or something older?



Primarily based on LRO. Very nice, highly detailed images and explanations of Lunar geography.

Quote:


How is the scale, compared to something like the Rukl atlas?
Is there token coverage of the farside?



The dark side was shown in four quadrant maps.
The scale is good, but my frame of reference is Legault's New Atlas of the Moon.

Quote:


Are the charts rectified (no foreshortening)?
Is there a lot of discussion on the origins of various features, or is it primarily an observer's atlas? Chuck Wood has a way of mingling all of it together - did he go one way or the other on this?



Yes, Chuck had a lot to say about the origins of Lunar geography. I would have responded sooner, but I was enjoying reading the descriptions of the different types of craters, rilles and mountains. Very interesting stuff!!!!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: tecmage]
      #5618196 - 01/11/13 11:07 PM

Received mine on Jan. 7th after it shouldered it's way through Customs and Holiday mail to Canada. It's very well worth the price and I love the way its organized to follow the phase illumination with chart highlights described clearly and to the point.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Ibmelrod]
      #5618246 - 01/11/13 11:53 PM

I'm still waiting for mine. But then, I only ordered it 38 days ago!

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5618329 - 01/12/13 12:50 AM

Quote:

I'm still waiting for mine. But then, I only ordered it 38 days ago!

Mike




Hmm. I ordered mine last Friday; I guess I won't be seeing it any time soon.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5618355 - 01/12/13 01:09 AM

I remember 40 years ago 4-6 weeks was the normal delivery time for anything ordered through the mail.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5618908 - 01/12/13 11:47 AM

It still is when you're waiting for a refund on something.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5619694 - 01/12/13 07:22 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm still waiting for mine. But then, I only ordered it 38 days ago!

Mike




Hmm. I ordered mine last Friday; I guess I won't be seeing it any time soon.




It took 29 days for mine!!!....


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5619833 - 01/12/13 09:27 PM

I wonder if it's print-on-demand. That might slow things down a bit.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: desertstars]
      #5623388 - 01/14/13 08:41 PM

Ordered mine several weeks ago, but it only arrived today. Postage indicated that it was shipped on January 7th, so can't complain given that I'm in Canada.

Besides being a lovely piece of work, the spiral bound atlas is really well put together. Our postal person stuffed it rather poorly in our mail box and I was sure the atlas would be bent and creased. Luckily no damage, and it bounced back perfectly.

Best,
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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edl]
      #5624636 - 01/15/13 03:22 PM

How does this compare to the "The Cambridge Photographic Moon"?

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Photobud]
      #5624791 - 01/15/13 04:51 PM

I wouldn't know. I haven't received it yet. 42 days since I ordered and I don't have mine.

Who has waited the longest and still hasn't gotten theirs?

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5624804 - 01/15/13 05:00 PM

Quote:

I wouldn't know. I haven't received it yet. 42 days since I ordered and I don't have mine.

Who has waited the longest and still hasn't gotten theirs?

Mike





Date of order placement (with same day payment through PayPal): November 26, 2012.

Still waiting on the Atlas...

Stephan


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5624822 - 01/15/13 05:10 PM

So far you win the prize, Stephan.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5625126 - 01/15/13 08:25 PM

Email him and ask about it. He made a boo boo with my shipment and discovered it after my email. He joked that it seems easier to write a book than to ship it out in a timely manner.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Photobud]
      #5625196 - 01/15/13 09:01 PM

Quote:

How does this compare to the "The Cambridge Photographic Moon"?


It's different, although both are high quality. So far I think the "21st Century Atlas of the Moon" more realistically captures the view through a high quality scope than pretty well any other atlas I've owned. It's also more suitable to have at the eyepiece (spiral bound, smaller), although Cambridge covers more lunar features in greater detail.
Personally I think the two books compliment each other to quite a large degree.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: rockethead26]
      #5625628 - 01/16/13 04:06 AM

I just e-mailed him too. Normally, postal communications between the U.S.A. and Switzerland are very reliable and fast. But after 51 days waiting time without getting the Atlas (order date November 26, 2012), I guess it is time to have the shipping files checked by Chuck.

Stephan


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5625810 - 01/16/13 09:05 AM

Quote:

I just e-mailed him too. Normally, postal communications between the U.S.A. and Switzerland are very reliable and fast. But after 51 days waiting time without getting the Atlas (order date November 26, 2012), I guess it is time to have the shipping files checked by Chuck.

Stephan





Chuck Wood just informed me by e-mail, that my ordered Atlas was delivered to the post office yesterday. Now I understand why there was 50 days long no Moon Atlas in the mail box. Oh man, how I like the first-come-last-served-rule...


Stephan


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edl]
      #5630089 - 01/18/13 03:12 PM

Just received mine today in perfect condition. Chuck is still signing the atlas. For those of you still waiting, it took 6 days to get here to the Indianapolis area after he mailed it.

It's a very nice piece of work and designed to be used. Can't wait to get a chance to sit down and give it a good once over.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5630124 - 01/18/13 03:35 PM

Quote:

I just e-mailed him too. Normally, postal communications between the U.S.A. and Switzerland are very reliable and fast. But after 51 days waiting time without getting the Atlas (order date November 26, 2012), I guess it is time to have the shipping files checked by Chuck.


Stephan




Me too, ordered same day as you, so I followed up with Chuck. He said it had just been mailed! Can't wait!

Dave


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Dave Chapman]
      #5630159 - 01/18/13 03:58 PM

I got mine today as well. For those who are anxiously awaiting details, here's my first impressions:

The quality of materials is outstanding. The covers are heavy card stock, and the pages are also very heavy and stiff. Glossy, high-quality paper is used throughout. The spiral binding and heavy materials mark it as being intended for the observer.

This is a true lunar atlas. The source is a mosaic of the entire Moon made from LRO pictures at the same lighting conditions, and sliced into sections with software. The charts and pictures are all startlingly clear and sharp. In fact, they're almost perfect.

The book starts with about 10 pages of general discussion of lunar features by Chuck Wood in his usual easy style; then comes the main 28-chart atlas. This is set up with a chart on the right side, and pictures of various interesting features on the left.

After these pages, there are about 30 pages of specialized charts, including a section of pictures of the great basins, created with LOLA data rather than photography, and showing them very well. The limbs, libration areas, poles, full Moon features, and the farside are all well treated.

Just from my first look, I declare this a must-have. There's nothing about it that I don't like. I have the Cambridge atlas as well, and it has a lot of very good stuff in it. I'm glad to have both; but if the two were side by side and I could only choose one, it would be the 21st Century atlas, hands down.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5630516 - 01/18/13 08:04 PM

Still waiting here ...

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5630958 - 01/19/13 01:33 AM

Mike,
Contact Chuck; something has to be wrong. I ordered mine on 1/4. I'm pretty sure he's getting emails from a lot of anxious buyers. He seems like a nice guy, and I'm sure he'll look into it.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5630972 - 01/19/13 01:55 AM

Here's another something to notice about this atlas:

Look at the inside of the back cover, where the "About the Authors" blurb is.
Co-author Maurice Collins, who is the pefect image of the Mad Scientist, is really an amazing guy. He pores through all those lunar databases that are created by probes like LRO, Kaguya, and others; experiments with available software to manipulate the images, and discovers new stuff!

Now, that's what it's all about, in my book. NASA, ESA, JAXA, they do all this work to send up probes and amass this incredible body of information, and make it all easily available to the public. But, that's not much good unless people actually do something with it. Ol' Maurice is doing just that, and a few guys like him make it all worthwhile. While the rest of us are happy with a pretty new atlas to set by the telescope, he's out there on the edge, making discoveries. I wish I had that kind of drive.

Way to go, Maurice!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5631045 - 01/19/13 04:48 AM

Yippie-ai-ay, it is here! Finally!

Date of order/payment: November 26, 2012
Date of shipment (postmark Bridgeport, OH): January 14, 2013
Date of receipt in Switzerland: January 19, 2013

The long but nevertheless fast international postal transport with its additional handling operations at several postal facilities resulted in very slight corner bumping, but nothing serious, I can live with it.

The Atlas meets my expectations, in its price class, it leaves nothing to be desired. It came autographed by Charles A. Wood (I like autographed first editions). I am very happy with the very decent printing quality. I can only confirm word for word the praise of Rick Woods as stated previously.

Thank you, Chuck and Maurice, for bringing this nice Atlas to us!

Stephan


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5631270 - 01/19/13 10:24 AM

Execution of this Atlas is professional. The distribution ... eh, not so much.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5631282 - 01/19/13 10:33 AM

Well, I gave Chuck the benefit of the doubt and allowed him the full 4-6 weeks that was the standard for shipping 40 years ago. I finally sent him an email this morning.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: la200o]
      #5638895 - 01/23/13 01:01 PM

I received my copy today. 8 days since it was mailed (not bad for cross-border shopping). It got a little warped by the postal delivery, but nothing a little time under a heavy book won't rectify. Now to sit down and enjoy!

Dave


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Dave Chapman]
      #5638939 - 01/23/13 01:25 PM

Still waiting ... I won't get into the details of why my copy was delayed, except to say it was never shipped! But Chuck said in an email that he would ship it out this past Tuesday. Hopefully it will arrive soon.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edl]
      #5640219 - 01/24/13 09:03 AM

I have had a good look at this new atlas and I like everything about it. It is a great beginner-intermediate atlas, especially as it is available and very reasonable priced! Soft-cover and spiral-bound, you could use it at the eyepiece, but I am keeping mine safely indoors. The exposure for each area was carefully chosen to show the same degree of "relief". The classic (and out-of-print) Rukl atlas may still remain as the primary atlas for advanced observers, especially as it labels many of the secondary craters. I am very happy with the 21st Century Atlas of the Moon and I say it is a "must-have." Specialty publications such as this often have short print lives, so get yours now!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Dave Chapman]
      #5641580 - 01/24/13 09:49 PM

I received my signed copy of the Atlas today. Thanks, Mr. Wood!

I like it. Even though it might have a short run once all the Lunatics get their copies, and the value might climb like a Rukl, I'm still putting mine in the equipment bag for in-the-field Moon viewing. The Atlas is spiral bond, and though the pages aren't laminated, they look like they should stand up pretty well to dew and usage in the real world.

The individual maps are numbered and also labeled by a significant feature on the map, for example, "Iridum 20," or "Crisium 2." This is a nice touch, very Rukl-like, and should make quick reference easier.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5641751 - 01/24/13 11:51 PM

I have to admit I ordered a second one. One is going outside every time I do Lunar observing! My plan is to use it with the New Atlas of the Moon by LeGault and Brunier- that atlas covers the Moon day by day, and combined with the detailed images in the Wood and Collins atlas, I should be able to nail a lot of Lunar features.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: tecmage]
      #5659514 - 02/03/13 08:37 AM

is there a link to go to for ordering info???

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      #5659549 - 02/03/13 09:08 AM

http://lpod.wikispaces.com/February+3%2C+2013

This'll get you close....look for the thumbnail of the book, and click!!!
Hope this helps!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5659576 - 02/03/13 09:27 AM

ohhh duh, I was on that page erlier and totally missed the buy now link, hmmmmm new glasses maybe or more coffee

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ohhh duh, I was on that page erlier and totally missed the buy now link, hmmmmm new glasses maybe or more coffee




....coffee's good!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5660807 - 02/03/13 10:03 PM

Tea's great, too, but you have to drink twice as much to get the same amount of caffeine as in a coffee.

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      #5662365 - 02/04/13 07:42 PM

True dat!!....what about Coke????

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
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Illegal!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5662976 - 02/05/13 07:12 AM

Not that kind of Coke!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5664351 - 02/05/13 09:31 PM

Noooo....the OTHER kind!!!

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True dat!!....what about Coke????




....ok, ok.....I mean...PEPSI!!!!!!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5665048 - 02/06/13 11:37 AM

I am always interested in new lunar atlases and for $29.95, this looks really nice. But no farside coverage? The Lunar Orbiters took loads of pics of the farside as well as more recent and better photo images by far more advanced spacecraft..

Will still buy this book.

And this puts the topic on track again.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: ed_turco]
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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: THEPLOUGH]
      #5666685 - 02/07/13 09:20 AM

I ordered this atlas a few weeks ago and am anticipating its arrival. I'm curious to know from those who have it how the Charles Wood's Lunar 100 is treated in this? Is there a separate index/appendix for the Lunar 100 or are there plenty of references for the 100 list? I've just started to observe the L100 after many years of treating the moon as something to avoid and am looking forward to start some serious observing/imaging of this beautiful object.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Tom Laskowski]
      #5666989 - 02/07/13 12:16 PM

Objects from the L100 that are on each chart are identified; so they're all shown somewhere in the book. But, there's no L100 list (gotta buy that separate!)

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      #5669672 - 02/08/13 07:45 PM

I ordered a copy Saturday evening Feb. 2 and was pleased to find it in my mailbox today Feb. 8. It is a very nice atlas, and I am already thinking about ordering a second one for outdoor use at the eyepiece.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Ain Soph Aur]
      #5671631 - 02/10/13 12:04 AM

I have a question regarding size of maps. I am using a library copy of Rukl's, but the ~5x7" sections are kinda small for my beginning in-feild use. I realize the 21st Century atlas divides the moon into 25 sections, whereas my Rukl presents 76 parts, necessitating less magnified detail in the 21st. But how big are the map sections on page in your 21st? Bigger than ~5x7"? The pages as I understand are 8.5x11" - how much is used for map?

Also, same question for the Cambridge atlas, if someone has a second...

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: refasali]
      #5671759 - 02/10/13 02:57 AM

The 21st Century charts are 6.5" x 8"; but the scale is smaller than the Rukl atlas.
If you're a beginner, the best thing you could do is to get the S&T/Rukl field map, which has four foldable quadrants. That is bar-none the best value in a lunar map today, and the one I would keep over all others if I had to choose.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5671990 - 02/10/13 09:04 AM

I am considering getting the map. But I'd also like a text.

Thanks Rick- I'll add that I'm midway through the Astronomical League's Lunar I & II programs. Doing'em simultaneously and hoping to find a detailed atlas to use outside. I've been using Rukls, but the sections have been cut a bit small for me at this time in my observing. I'm looking into the Cambridge atlas and it seems a good fit between the 21st and Rukl. Not as many sections as Rukl but more than the 21st.. Any thoughts?


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: refasali]
      #6214151 - 11/24/13 09:56 PM

Is this atlas currently available?

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: davidpitre]
      #6214306 - 11/25/13 12:09 AM

As it is no longer available through the publisher (West Virginia University Press), apparently it is sold out. Perhaps there will be a re-print...

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: photonovore]
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As it is no longer available through the publisher (West Virginia University Press), apparently it is sold out. Perhaps there will be a re-print...





They are definitely NOT shipping! I placed an order and they called me for my CC number. Said it would ship the following day. That was weeks ago (see my thread in 'Stellar Media". Subsequent calls reveals they have no idea when it will be available. So far they haven't billed my CC.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: mich_al]
      #6214988 - 11/25/13 12:11 PM

Ah, he who hesitates...

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6215175 - 11/25/13 01:44 PM

We need a Uranometria of the moon . One day ... One day...

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: azure1961p]
      #6215413 - 11/25/13 03:19 PM

We have a couple: Rukl & the Lunar Orbiter atlas (LOPAM).
Hopefully, an LRO atlas too, before too long.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: la200o]
      #6220191 - 11/27/13 07:57 PM

hi,
i have that atlas as well as new atlas of the moon by legault and brunier and the cambridge photographic moon atlas and the antonin rukl atlas of the moon,as well as sky and telescopes laminated field map of the moon,all are highly recommended,kevin


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: kcb]
      #6220403 - 11/27/13 10:07 PM

Quote:

hi,
i have that atlas as well as new atlas of the moon by legault and brunier and the cambridge photographic moon atlas and the antonin rukl atlas of the moon,as well as sky and telescopes laminated field map of the moon,all are highly recommended,kevin




I also have this book, and also highly recommend it!!(The New Atlas of the Moon). Cool Book!!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #6220635 - 11/28/13 01:20 AM

21st Century Atlas of the Moon out of print already? Deja vu. Sounds like Rukl's all over again.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #6223185 - 11/29/13 11:12 AM

Don't worry; you'll be able to get one used for $950 pretty soon.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6223217 - 11/29/13 11:28 AM

For that kind of money, they can PM me about my copy.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #6223575 - 11/29/13 02:50 PM

I suspect there will be a large-scale LRO-based atlas before long. The imagery is just too good not to do one.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6224680 - 11/30/13 07:30 AM

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I suspect there will be a large-scale LRO-based atlas before long. The imagery is just too good not to do one.




I am so waiting for this one!!!!!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #6225066 - 11/30/13 12:08 PM

The LRO might be too detailed for a practical printed lunar atlas. OR possibly the high detail could be provided only for a few interesting lunar regions. (Yes, they can make insets for the lunar landing areas. Wouldn't want to miss that Cat's Paw!)

Also, we need to keep in mind just how detailed the images really need to be for Earth-based visual astronomy. This would be for actual field use at the telescope, right, not for dreaming about lunar flyovers in the house?

Probably better to have the LRO in scalable, searchable digital versions. The day of indices and flipping back and forth through pages is thankfully just about over. Please, whoever develops the LRO for computers, make one for ANDROID tablets!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #6225178 - 11/30/13 01:10 PM

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The LRO might be too detailed for a practical printed lunar atlas.



Unless the atlas is very large format & has a great number of plates. Which would make it impracticably expensive. Still, the Audubon bird book set had much the same issues.

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Also, we need to keep in mind just how detailed the images really need to be for Earth-based visual astronomy. This would be for actual field use at the telescope, right, not for dreaming about lunar flyovers in the house?




Maybe we need both.

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Probably better to have the LRO in scalable, searchable digital versions. The day of indices and flipping back and forth through pages is thankfully just about over.



Sorry, but I find the practice of handling a real paper book far more enjoyable than fiddling round with electronic devices. Once you're reconciled to flipping pages, an index is probably the best way of searching it. Image tags really don't work as well, or as consistently across different hardware/software combinations.

BTW if you really want a reasonably sized, computerised lunar "atlas" the high resolution wraps used with VMA are pretty good.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: brianb11213]
      #6225273 - 11/30/13 02:02 PM

I agree with Brian. The days of page-flipping will never be over for bibliophiles.
I suspect a good large-scale atlas (a 21st Century atlas on steroids) would attract enough buyers to make it profitable, at least for one run. There are lots of compulsive atlas-buyers (like me) who will plunk for it.
They did the LOPAM; this couldn't be all that much harder.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: brianb11213]
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Quote:

Quote:

The LRO might be too detailed for a practical printed lunar atlas.



Unless the atlas is very large format & has a great number of plates. Which would make it impracticably expensive. Still, the Audubon bird book set had much the same issues.




Impracticably expensive, and impractical for use at the telescope. But then, I don't think bird watchers carry the Audubon album into the field, either.

We are actually talking about two different uses of reference materials. I have my share of atlases and picture books for the study, but I'm more interested in what I can use at the eyepiece in the field.

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Quote:

Sorry, but I find the practice of handling a real paper book far more enjoyable than fiddling round with electronic devices. Once you're reconciled to flipping pages, an index is probably the best way of searching it. Image tags really don't work as well, or as consistently across different hardware/software combinations.




No need to apologize. I enjoy printed books, too. I must have at least 3000 of them. That has gone down from a maximum of maybe 5000. I recently gave 45 boxes of books to charity. (My back hurt for a month after.)

But once I discovered the simplicity and practicality of SkySafari Pro, I'll never go back to printed star atlases at the telescope in the field. It's made a tremendous difference in my deep sky sessions at dark sites. Printed atlases are clunky, heavy, cumbersome and ineffective in comparison.

I've yet to find a good lunar atlas for the Android tablet. But I'm confident that once it's available, I'll never bring a printed lunar atlas out to the field again.

Quote:

BTW if you really want a reasonably sized, computerised lunar "atlas" the high resolution wraps used with VMA are pretty good.




I agree that VMA is a great digital lunar atlas program. Unfortunately, it hasn't been ported to Android - or iPad, AFAIK. I tried VMA on a mini laptop, but even that was too heavy and bulky for quick and easy use at the eyepiece. Nothing beats a tablet for convenience, image scale, and light weight.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6225346 - 11/30/13 02:48 PM

Quote:

I agree with Brian. The days of page-flipping will never be over for bibliophiles.
I suspect a good large-scale atlas (a 21st Century atlas on steroids) would attract enough buyers to make it profitable, at least for one run. There are lots of compulsive atlas-buyers (like me) who will plunk for it.
They did the LOPAM; this couldn't be all that much harder.




I'm done with the big, heavy atlases. I almost squeezed the trigger on that Great Atlas of the Heavens - was that the name? - about a year ago. Well, actually I did pull the trigger, but then soon contacted the seller to cancel. I really have no use for a huge coffee table book like that. I don't even have a coffee table ... I don't even drink coffee!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #6241284 - 12/08/13 06:02 PM

"The Great Atlas of the Sky". A true masterpiece.

Does not go well with coffee, at least not when I'm drinking it. Other than that, I'm really glad I got a copy even if I did pay full price.
I'll be scheming on this hypothetical LRO atlas, too. Put it up with my LOPAM.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #6243811 - 12/09/13 10:40 PM

Quote:

The LRO might be too detailed for a practical printed lunar atlas. OR possibly the high detail could be provided only for a few interesting lunar regions. (Yes, they can make insets for the lunar landing areas. Wouldn't want to miss that Cat's Paw!)

Also, we need to keep in mind just how detailed the images really need to be for Earth-based visual astronomy. This would be for actual field use at the telescope, right, not for dreaming about lunar flyovers in the house?

Probably better to have the LRO in scalable, searchable digital versions. The day of indices and flipping back and forth through pages is thankfully just about over. Please, whoever develops the LRO for computers, make one for ANDROID tablets!

Mike




Forget yet another atlas for use at the telescope!!...there are plenty of those already!! I definitely would want a book, paper pages preferred!, to show off the grandeur and the glory of the new LRO hi-res images. I'd love to explore the immensely detailed images in a book form!!!!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #6311795 - 01/14/14 08:50 AM

Hi,

I just ordered my copy of the atlas from Amazon. Thank you all for your recommendations!

21st Century Atlas of the Moon at Amazon.com


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Castor]
      #6488801 - 04/25/14 09:12 PM

Amazon still has them. I just ordered mine a few moments ago.

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