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21st Century Atlas of the Moon
      #5535458 - 11/23/12 12:59 PM

To the moderator: This is a duplicate post as one in the Lunar forum. I hope this is OK since this new atlas fits in both Lunar and Media forums. If this has to be removed maybe you could leave a pointer to the Lunar post. Thanks!

Hi all

Has anyone heard about this new atlas from Charles Wood
and Maurice Collins? At first I looked the page over to make sure this wasn't an April fools joke.

Here is the information page at LPOD for the 21st Century Atlas of the Moon. I mean it has to be good right with Mr. Wood's insight on lunar formations, etc. And the price looks right too, $29.95. It says it will ship December 8, 2012.

Check out the page and see if you think the atlas covers the whole lunar nearside or is it just specialized areas and the nearside is not covered? (see contents page)

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5535495 - 11/23/12 01:18 PM

Looks like an interesting piece of work

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5536306 - 11/23/12 09:33 PM

The sample pages look good. I am curious who is the publisher is. Not sure how much use it would be at the eyepiece though. But still an interesting work though.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5536371 - 11/23/12 10:18 PM

No publisher listed, and the purchase link shoots straight to PayPal. There's no listing for the book on Amazon (that I can find). Some form of self publishing? Which would be fine by me, since that's how my own books come out.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: desertstars]
      #5536386 - 11/23/12 10:36 PM

Hi Tom, Preston

I asked the question on the LPOD forum of Mr. Wood here about availability from Amazon. Of course costs and profitability were considerations. I had a Amazon gift card balance and thought I had found a Christmas gift for me! Oh well I think I'll invest in this one anyway.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Carl Kolchak]
      #5537977 - 11/24/12 10:35 PM

I'll be ordering!!!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5538602 - 11/25/12 11:58 AM

Let us know when you get it!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5539620 - 11/25/12 11:25 PM

For me i will wait, there is not quite enough information about the book. Looks like about 50 pages (25 pages of paper x 2) Would like to see a review. then again , xmas is coming . . . .

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: opticsguy]
      #5541040 - 11/26/12 09:00 PM

I am really leaning towards pulling the trigger on this.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5541533 - 11/27/12 05:10 AM

I pre-ordered, shouldn't be too long a wait? I think it said ships around Dec 8th?

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5541666 - 11/27/12 08:32 AM

I just ordered-I have been impressed by C Woods books/S&T articles,
so I think worth the gamble ($35 book and shipping )

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5542364 - 11/27/12 03:47 PM

Well I pulled the trigger on the atlas. It came out to $35.05.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5547472 - 11/30/12 04:25 PM

This is the one to get if you can find it reasonably:
Rukl Moon Atlas
It's been out of print for a while.
1st or 2nd editions both good, though 2nd edition easier to use in your lap.
It's being printed again in German. No word on English version.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Starman1]
      #5547582 - 11/30/12 05:46 PM

Quote:

This is the one to get if you can find it reasonably:
Rukl Moon Atlas
It's been out of print for a while.
1st or 2nd editions both good, though 2nd edition easier to use in your lap.
It's being printed again in German. No word on English version.




the German version may work-after all it is mainly sketches

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Starman1]
      #5547810 - 11/30/12 08:25 PM

Quote:

This is the one to get if you can find it reasonably:
Rukl Moon Atlas
It's been out of print for a while.
1st or 2nd editions both good, though 2nd edition easier to use in your lap.
It's being printed again in German. No word on English version.




I have the Rukl atlas and it is nice and can be at times hard to find. However with the advancement of the some of the Apps and mapping software, I don't know if I would say the Rukl atlas is the end all be all. Sure it is nice, but there are other choices out there that work probably equally as well. I find photographs work well when observing the Moon for me.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: opticsguy]
      #5548318 - 12/01/12 05:43 AM

Quote:

Looks like about 50 pages (25 pages of paper x 2) Would like to see a review. then again , xmas is coming . . . .




The Atlas has 108 spiral bound pages in format 8.5"x11".

The first printing is already sold out...

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5549497 - 12/01/12 10:39 PM

My atlas has been ordered!!....we'll see what happens next!!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5549625 - 12/02/12 12:01 AM

OK OK OK!!! Stop pressuring me!! I ordered one!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5550033 - 12/02/12 09:46 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Looks like about 50 pages (25 pages of paper x 2) Would like to see a review. then again , xmas is coming . . . .




The Atlas has 108 spiral bound pages in format 8.5"x11".

The first printing is already sold out...

Stephan




Sold out? I hope not. Mr. Wood didn't mention that in the blog link.
I ordered one this morning. It will make a fine companion to my Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: bsim]
      #5550102 - 12/02/12 10:32 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Looks like about 50 pages (25 pages of paper x 2) Would like to see a review. then again , xmas is coming . . . .




The Atlas has 108 spiral bound pages in format 8.5"x11".

The first printing is already sold out...

Stephan




Sold out? I hope not. Mr. Wood didn't mention that in the blog link.
I ordered one this morning. It will make a fine companion to my Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas.




This LPOD link is stating that it is already sold out. I think a reprinting is only a matter of a short time.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: bsim]
      #5550203 - 12/02/12 11:46 AM

I agree with you bsim, I have the new Cambridge atlas and think the two will be great companions. Having followed LPOD and enjoyed the writings of Charles I am looking forward to getting my copy which I ordered yesterday.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: ianatcn]
      #5550549 - 12/02/12 03:32 PM

bsim, Ian,

looks like we just made it before the "sold out"

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon *DELETED* new [Re: Stellarfire]
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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: bsim]
      #5550685 - 12/02/12 05:09 PM

Important News
I contacted Mr. Wood. The 21st Century Atlas of the Moon is not sold out. That "sold out" link posted earlier will be triggered when only a few copies are left.

With Mr. Wood's permission:

No, we aren't sold out at all.
The book will be back from the printer in about a week and will begin shipping - there are plenty of copies!

I certainly agree with bsim who commented that the 21st Century Atlas would "make a fine companion" to Alan Chu's new Photographic Moon Atlas. That would be the best of terrestrial imaging and the beginning of the new orbital imaging. Its a good time to be a lunar observer!
Thx,
Chuck

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: bsim]
      #5550695 - 12/02/12 05:15 PM

Quote:

With Mr. Wood's permission:

No, we aren't sold out at all.
The book will be back from the printer in about a week and will begin shipping - there are plenty of copies!





The good news of the day!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5550939 - 12/02/12 07:58 PM

Good news indeed! Just ordered a copy myself. I already have the Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas, Clementine, and Rukl, but I love Wood's Modern Moon book so I don't think I can go too wrong with this.

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      #5551093 - 12/02/12 09:25 PM

Charles Wood's works are nothing short of awesome....I can't wait!!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5551098 - 12/02/12 09:28 PM

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Charles Wood's works are nothing short of awesome....I can't wait!!!




Agreed.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5566600 - 12/11/12 09:21 PM

Just noticed it now says it will ship tomorrow, Dec 12th. still in time for the holidays !

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      #5572887 - 12/15/12 05:14 PM

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Just noticed it now says it will ship tomorrow, Dec 12th. still in time for the holidays !




I guess that is why it was not in my PO box today-maybe monday.

I hope not as bad as EEBarnards Photographic atlas-order in july for xmas, but reveived by my birthday the next july.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5573906 - 12/16/12 10:37 AM

Have NOT rec'd yet!!....anyone know where they are shipping from???

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5576490 - 12/17/12 09:58 PM

Don't know. I was all happy as there was a book in the mail tonight! Yea! my new atlas arrived! ripping open the shipping envelope... but NO!



It was another book I'd ordered some time ago and had forgotten about. Yes it's about astronomy (in a sense, and from a brief glimpse I'm pretty happy at what I see) but very esoteric and not the moon atlas I was hoping to see.

I actually saw the moon briefly tonight, can still even tell general location! Coming back from holiday shopping. Folks, it's been rough here this year.


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      #5577158 - 12/18/12 11:31 AM

Have NOT received my copy as of today....12/18/12........anybody?????

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5577202 - 12/18/12 12:08 PM

Still waiting for mine, 12/18/12.

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      #5577563 - 12/18/12 04:36 PM

still waiting

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      #5578502 - 12/19/12 07:37 AM

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5578602 - 12/19/12 09:15 AM

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      #5578626 - 12/19/12 09:35 AM



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      #5579182 - 12/19/12 03:51 PM

If the atlases shipped out on the 12th, there's still a good chance we'll receive them before Christmas.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5580315 - 12/20/12 09:53 AM

I didn't get any mail yesterday. I am hopeful it will come today!

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      #5580365 - 12/20/12 10:19 AM

Still nothing today (12-20-12). My mailman came and went for today!! Kinda disappointed!...... .......

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5580781 - 12/20/12 02:17 PM

Today's LPOD, BACKGROUND, has info on a shipment of the atlas.

Chuck Wood said:

Quote:

Note: "The boxes of the 21st Century Lunar Atlas were delivered to my house on Wednesday - tomorrow they start being mailed out in the sequence that the 125 pre-orders were received."




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      #5580970 - 12/20/12 04:02 PM

Anybody know the initial press run?

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      #5581454 - 12/20/12 09:03 PM

Thanks for info, Carl! That's all I need...just little blurbs of info to act as guidance!!! Don't wanna go totally nuts waiting!! Merry Christmas All!!!....see you on the other side!! (er...of the Holiday!!).....

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      #5583632 - 12/22/12 06:41 AM

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Merry Christmas All!!!....see you on the other side!! (er...of the Holiday!!).....




still alive this morning
be a shame for the world to end before atlas arrives

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      #5587022 - 12/24/12 11:14 AM

Nothing as of Christmas Eve day!!....HOPEFULLY!, just after Xmas!!!....I hope!!....

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      #5587558 - 12/24/12 05:33 PM

my guess is Charles does most of the work by himself,
or a few helpers,
so it may take some time,
especially with xmas mailings

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      #5588404 - 12/25/12 12:15 PM

Taking the day off from checking the mail!! Merry Christmas everyone!!! God Bless EVERYONE!!....all my best for everyone's Happy New Year!!!!

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      #5589236 - 12/26/12 06:00 AM

LPOD today has a description of the mailing process for the Atlas

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5589253 - 12/26/12 07:14 AM

I just saw on the LPOD webpage that the first 88 copies of the Atlas were shipped today. According the description, a bubble mailer was used for packaging, not a more sturdier cardboard envelope. If you know the harsh treatment during postal transport... not sure if the bubble mailer will protect the shipped Atlases sufficiently, in particular on the numerous international orders. I just sent an e-mail to Chuck Wood about this concern.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5589282 - 12/26/12 08:07 AM

I have sent back items that are bent or damaged because of insufficient packaging. A couple sheets of cardboard as a stiffener would have been better than nothing. I hope the Atlas will arrive OK.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5589798 - 12/26/12 01:56 PM

Those bubble envelopes are pretty tough. I've never had anything that was sent in one arrive with any damage.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5591169 - 12/27/12 01:00 PM

still waiting for the Atlas and bubble envelope-hope that I am not being too impatience .

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5591601 - 12/27/12 06:46 PM

Quote:

still waiting for the Atlas and bubble envelope-hope that I am not being too impatience .

edj





got tired of waiting, so ordered the Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas also

(got to stop visiting LPOD site)

edj


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5591893 - 12/27/12 10:16 PM

Quote:

Quote:

still waiting for the Atlas and bubble envelope-hope that I am not being too impatience .

edj





got tired of waiting, so ordered the Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas also

(got to stop visiting LPOD site)

edj




You'll like the Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: turtle86]
      #5593213 - 12/28/12 07:40 PM

I would think that the Atlas would be showing up by now?

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5593311 - 12/28/12 08:41 PM

Yeah, I'm getting a little concerned. I haven't rec'd my Atlas yet....I thought I was one of the early orders! I'm really getting tired ordering stuff online!!!

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5593748 - 12/29/12 02:46 AM

Long waiting time is no problem to me, as long as the hot awaited, bubble-mailer shipped atlas will reach me in perfect condition without transport damages like bumped corners and edges.

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Absolutely!!!

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      #5595846 - 12/30/12 10:32 AM

A good opportunity to cultivate patience.

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      #5596843 - 12/30/12 07:55 PM

Mine came yesterday. I have been thumbing through it when I have time. I really like it and it should be a good guide for while observing. I really like the section he does at the back of all the landing sites (Apollo, Surveyor, etc).

Regarding the padded envelope, my atlas came fine, with no issues.


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      #5596911 - 12/30/12 08:43 PM

Was your copy autographed??...Is he signing ALL the copies???? THAT would be very cool!!!

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Was your copy autographed??...Is he signing ALL the copies???? THAT would be very cool!!!




I just looked and yes he did sign the title page. I didn't even know he was doing that.


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Very nice!

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      #5597987 - 12/31/12 01:33 PM

Mine finally came today (12/31/2012). There was very slight damage to the outside surface of the 'bubble-mailer', and slight denting on 2 corners (either side of the spiral-bind), but all in all, it's in great shape....AND autographed!!! Thanks Charles!!! Quick gaze...looks like a very cool book!!!!!

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      #5598083 - 12/31/12 02:29 PM

The pictures I've seen from this book (the cover above, and something somewhere else) all seem to have very low lighting conditions; the craters have deep shadows and you can't really see the details inside, that sort of thing. I get the impression of a pretty picture book more than a really useful source of detailed images.
Am I wrong about that? At half the size and the same price as the Cambridge atlas, I'm hesitating about this one. Especially after the Kaguya atlas, which has great imagery but IMO was misrepresented as an atlas. (I'd be upset about that one, if I hadn't gotten it for like $6).


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      #5598126 - 12/31/12 02:57 PM

Received my copy today (mailed out 27 Dec.). Everything in mint condition! Even Charles's autograph.

Hey, did not realize it but Mr. Woods and I are not far apart--250 miles. Why, that is almost shoutin' distance.

Back to the book. I will have to give it a thorough going over after things calm down on the 2nd January. But I did do the thumb test--you know you put a book in one hand and thumb through it with other hand. Well, you guessed it, the thumb test reveals the book to be a keeper. Rick Woods, when you get yours, you may want to put it in the secret compartment!

Thanks Charles. Your contributions to lunar observing are unparalleled--matchless--peerless. Can I say more?


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      #5598226 - 12/31/12 03:44 PM

Rick,

Quote:

The pictures I've seen from this book (the cover above, and something somewhere else) all seem to have very low lighting conditions; the craters have deep shadows and you can't really see the details inside, that sort of thing. I get the impression of a pretty picture book more than a really useful source of detailed images.
Am I wrong about that? At half the size and the same price as the Cambridge atlas, I'm hesitating about this one. Especially after the Kaguya atlas, which has great imagery but IMO was misrepresented as an atlas. (I'd be upset about that one, if I hadn't gotten it for like $6).




I'll have to see for myself how detailed the images are when I receive my copy of 21CAM. But even a lunar atlas that doesn't show extreme detail can be useful, depending on the aperture you're using. I don't always view the Moon through my 10" Dob. In fact, I usually don't. My default lunar scope is a highly grab-n-go 90mm Mak. My next most used scope for the Moon is an 8" f/6 Dob.

About the 21Cam being half the size of the Cambridge: Is that necessarily a bad thing? For field work, I want the smallest atlas that will get the job done. I want to be able to hold that atlas at the eyepiece, turn the pages easily and have everything stay put. No atlas on the table for me. The big books stay in the house.

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      #5598304 - 12/31/12 04:25 PM

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About the 21Cam being half the size of the Cambridge: Is that necessarily a bad thing? For field work, I want the smallest atlas that will get the job done. I want to be able to hold that atlas at the eyepiece, turn the pages easily and have everything stay put. No atlas on the table for me. The big books stay in the house.




No, not a bad thing at all! By far my most useful and used Moon map is the S&T/Rukl fold-out map. But, I only have so many $29.95'ses to spare at any given time (and I have to recover from ordering that S&T topo Moon globe).
The Cambridge atlas seems to be the better first choice, for me. But the 21st Century atlas will be along shortly, I'm sure.


To digress a little: Another really good Moon map is the National Geographic insert from the Feb. 1969 issue. It's very close in scale to the S&T/Rukl chart. It's not quite as detailed, but it's rectified, and shows the far side as well. I got lucky a while back and found that issue, with map, in a thrift shop; I don't think it had ever been unfolded! I unfolded it once to measure it; now I'm going to get a frame (thrift shop again) and hang it in my observatory along with my Nat. Geo. maps of Mars and the Universe (I love those NG maps!)


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Quote:

Rick,

Quote:

The pictures I've seen from this book (the cover above, and something somewhere else) all seem to have very low lighting conditions; the craters have deep shadows and you can't really see the details inside, that sort of thing. I get the impression of a pretty picture book more than a really useful source of detailed images.
Am I wrong about that? At half the size and the same price as the Cambridge atlas, I'm hesitating about this one. Especially after the Kaguya atlas, which has great imagery but IMO was misrepresented as an atlas. (I'd be upset about that one, if I hadn't gotten it for like $6).




I'll have to see for myself how detailed the images are when I receive my copy of 21CAM. But even a lunar atlas that doesn't show extreme detail can be useful, depending on the aperture you're using. I don't always view the Moon through my 10" Dob. In fact, I usually don't. My default lunar scope is a highly grab-n-go 90mm Mak. My next most used scope for the Moon is an 8" f/6 Dob.

About the 21Cam being half the size of the Cambridge: Is that necessarily a bad thing? For field work, I want the smallest atlas that will get the job done. I want to be able to hold that atlas at the eyepiece, turn the pages easily and have everything stay put. No atlas on the table for me. The big books stay in the house.

Mike




The images are very detailed ans labeled well. There is a wide field pics usually on one page and then close ups of interesting features. Very similar to the pics in the back of the Rukl atlas for the close ups. To me this atlas could be a end all be all for many casual lunar observers.


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      #5598908 - 12/31/12 11:28 PM

I'm very pleased. A lot more detail than I can pull out of my scopes and skies +++ (that includes my poor attempts at imaging) Like the layout and organization, information, size... spiral binding. Makes me want to spend more time on Luna!

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      #5599157 - 01/01/13 07:19 AM

My only complaint!!!...and it's probably just 'me'...is that the large page photo of Copernicus (my favorite crater) is cut in half!!!! I, and this is just 'me', mind you, would've liked to have it nicely centered in it's own photo....but, hey , that's cool!!! I love the book!

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Quote:

Quote:

About the 21Cam being half the size of the Cambridge: Is that necessarily a bad thing? For field work, I want the smallest atlas that will get the job done. I want to be able to hold that atlas at the eyepiece, turn the pages easily and have everything stay put. No atlas on the table for me. The big books stay in the house.




No, not a bad thing at all! By far my most useful and used Moon map is the S&T/Rukl fold-out map. But, I only have so many $29.95'ses to spare at any given time (and I have to recover from ordering that S&T topo Moon globe).
The Cambridge atlas seems to be the better first choice, for me. But the 21st Century atlas will be along shortly, I'm sure.


To digress a little: Another really good Moon map is the National Geographic insert from the Feb. 1969 issue. It's very close in scale to the S&T/Rukl chart. It's not quite as detailed, but it's rectified, and shows the far side as well. I got lucky a while back and found that issue, with map, in a thrift shop; I don't think it had ever been unfolded! I unfolded it once to measure it; now I'm going to get a frame (thrift shop again) and hang it in my observatory along with my Nat. Geo. maps of Mars and the Universe (I love those NG maps!)




Absolutely Rick!!!...the 1969 NatGeo map is fantastic!! I was lucky enough to pick up a reprinted and laminated version at a local bookstore....just love it!!! Of course, I have a couple of copies of the original one as well....AND the amazing original 1973 Mars map!!! Old School rules!!!


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      #5599689 - 01/01/13 02:05 PM

Yep, that bad boy is framed and hanging in my observatory. IMO the best Mars map ever printed - and just so beautiful! I have another, somewhat beat up copy, and I used to have a pristine one (another thrift store score) that I gave to a good friend and fellow Martian.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5599742 - 01/01/13 02:34 PM

Slightly away from the topic of the Moon book, but germane to planets and Moon observing is the book: "Observing and Photographing the Solar System" by Dobbins, Parker and Capen, 1988 Willmann-Bell publishers.
This is an excellent book and contains one of the best albedo maps of Mars I've ever seen.
I believe it's out of print, but used copies might be available.


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Slightly away from the topic of the Moon book, but germane to planets and Moon observing is the book: "Observing and Photographing the Solar System" by Dobbins, Parker and Capen, 1988 Willmann-Bell publishers.
This is an excellent book and contains one of the best albedo maps of Mars I've ever seen.
I believe it's out of print, but used copies might be available.




Indeed they are, and they're not expensive. I got one a year or two ago (I forget what I paid, but it wasn't much), and it's a great observing guide, even though the photographic part is way dated.
That very Mars albedo map, in gigantic form, is hanging on the wall in the lobby of the Planetary Research Center at Lowell Observatory. I asked them how I could get a copy of it, but they couldn't help me. I think the great Jay Inge was the cartographer for the albedo part of it, and the photographic part was Mariner 9 imagery.


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      #5600181 - 01/01/13 07:21 PM

Yeah! I look at page 202 and go running for the John Carter DVD!

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      #5600273 - 01/01/13 08:24 PM

Gotta agree with you Rick, that has to be the most beautiful Mars map ever printed!! The 1973 NatGeo Mars has that "mid-'50's-early-'60's" "old school" feel to it! It can still be used today....just change some of the nomenclature!!! I'd sure love to find a laminated reprint of that one too!!!!!

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-Actually, it's still available from William Bell on their website:
http://www.willbell.com/ccd/CCD3.HTM
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Slightly away from the topic of the Moon book, but germane to planets and Moon observing is the book: "Observing and Photographing the Solar System" by Dobbins, Parker and Capen, 1988 Willmann-Bell publishers.
This is an excellent book and contains one of the best albedo maps of Mars I've ever seen.
I believe it's out of print, but used copies might be available.




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      #5600540 - 01/01/13 11:32 PM

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Yeah! I look at page 202 and go running for the John Carter DVD!




Whoops - I was talking about the one on page 66.


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Gotta agree with you Rick, that has to be the most beautiful Mars map ever printed!! The 1973 NatGeo Mars has that "mid-'50's-early-'60's" "old school" feel to it! It can still be used today....just change some of the nomenclature!!! I'd sure love to find a laminated reprint of that one too!!!!!




Yep! And it was Jay Inge again.


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Yeah! I look at page 202 and go running for the John Carter DVD!





I watched the John Carter DVD again last night. A great movie.

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My apologies for taking this thread off topic.

Back to Charles Wood's Atlas. I am continuing to thumb through it in awe. I will have to sit down one day and give it a serious read. I agree with what was said earlier--this book and the S&T Field Map of the Moon may be the combination to get beginner lunar observers into the hobby.


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      #5610550 - 01/07/13 04:42 PM

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Gotta agree with you Rick, that has to be the most beautiful Mars map ever printed!! The 1973 NatGeo Mars has that "mid-'50's-early-'60's" "old school" feel to it! It can still be used today....just change some of the nomenclature!!! I'd sure love to find a laminated reprint of that one too!!!!!




Robert,

Now I think about it, seems to me that Nat Geo offers reprints of a lot of these maps. You should contact them. You can have it laminated at Staples, Wide World of Maps (where I got mine done), or probably a lot of places. That map should be in every Mars observer's arsenal. Probably the last great map to use the old names, the names of features that we observers recognize.

*Sigh* Oh, the nostalgia!


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      #5610882 - 01/07/13 08:39 PM

Thanks for the advice, Rick!! You are a wise man!!!

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      #5629374 - 01/18/13 05:32 AM

My copy arrived in the UK yesterday having been ordered on 1st December last. The bubble bag kept it in fine condition on its trans atlantic journey.

I have been very impressed by the quality of the reproductions. I have even had a 6x hand magnifier on some images and can pull out some very small details. The quality of the paper used and printing technique have resulted in a very impressive atlas.

Today it is snowing hard and temperatures are below zero centigrade, I am sitting by an open fire and intend to spend the morning browsing my copy.

I would like to say it has a place in my bookcase between Nasmyth & Carpenter and Modern Moon, but I think it will be quite some time before it makes it that far.

To Charles, thank you for signing my copy and for producing a wonderful addition to my library.


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      #5630091 - 01/18/13 03:13 PM

Just received mine today in perfect condition. Chuck is still signing the atlas. For those of you still waiting, it took 6 days to get here to the Indianapolis area after he mailed it.

It's a very nice piece of work and designed to be used. Can't wait to get a chance to sit down and give it a good once over


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      #5630165 - 01/18/13 04:02 PM

I got mine today, and posted my impressions in the thread in the Lunar Observing forum, if anyone's interested.

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      #5630518 - 01/18/13 08:06 PM

Still waiting here ...

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      #5631405 - 01/19/13 11:45 AM

Yippie-ai-ay, it is here! Finally!

Date of order/payment: November 26, 2012
Date of shipment (postmark Bridgeport, OH): January 14, 2013
Date of receipt in Switzerland: January 19, 2013

The long but nevertheless fast international postal transport with its additional handling operations at several postal facilities resulted in very slight corner bumbing, but nothing serious, so I can live with it.

The Atlas meets my expectations. In its price class (USD $ 30), it leaves nothing to be desired. It came autographed by Charles A. Wood (I like autographed first editions). I am very happy with the very decent printing quality.

Thank you, Chuck and Maurice, for bringing this nice Moon Atlas to us!

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      #5631603 - 01/19/13 01:38 PM

Well, I gave Chuck the benefit of the doubt and allowed him the full 4-6 weeks that was the standard for shipping 40 years ago. I finally sent him an email this morning.

I shouldn't have to do this.

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      #5631654 - 01/19/13 02:14 PM

Yes, that is true, Mike. I think Chuck and his team learned during their self-publishing venture a lot about positive order processing and distribution, and in particular that not all customers really like the "first-come-last-served-rule".

Apparently, this was their first self-publishing job, so I am perfectly willing to accept the unexpected delay as experienced.

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      #5631699 - 01/19/13 02:55 PM

I've been involved in mail order. The best procedure is to place each order in a spreadsheet and sort them by date received. If at all possible, ship them all on the next day. If that is not possible, then process each one and ship them out in order of date received. First in first out. Any other method will incur the ire of the customers, and justifiably so.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5631709 - 01/19/13 03:00 PM

Yes, I agree that there some learning curves for Chuck and Maurice, but the atlas is well worth any snafus.

n my case, I waited about ten days after ordering to check in with Chuck on the shipping. He emailed that he was pretty sure it went out. Then a few hours later I get another email from Chuck saying that he was glad I followed up because he had printed six shipping labels several days before and set them aside only to be forgotten until I had planted the seed in his head. Been there, done that!

Anyway, after giving the atlas a complete once over and making it so far thru page 5 of the intro, I have to say that this is an amazing piece of work. The consistency and details of the photos is incredible. The writing style is easy, succinct and informative. I have never been much of a lunar buff, but this is going to turn me into one.

I love the thick, glossy, high-quality paper stock that lets me handle it without feeling like I'll damage it, too.

I agree with Rick that this is a must have.


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      #5631727 - 01/19/13 03:10 PM

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I agree with Rick that this is a must have.





+1

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      #5631749 - 01/19/13 03:23 PM

Yes, it sounds like a professional Lunar Atlas. I would have paid more to have it professionally distributed.

Six weeks?

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      #5631906 - 01/19/13 05:24 PM

This atlas is going to be one of my very next purchases here, as I am a lunaholic to the core, and all of these reviews have pretty much sealed the deal for me

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      #5632005 - 01/19/13 06:47 PM

The scale of it is smack dab halfway in between the Rukl atlas and the Rukl/S&T foldout lunar chart. And, the level of detail is such that, when comparing it with the big Rukl atlas, it really highlights how amazingly accurate Rukl is.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5641586 - 01/24/13 09:52 PM

I received my signed copy of the Atlas today. Thanks, Mr. Wood!

I like it. Even though it might have a short run once all the Lunatics get their copies, and the value might climb like a Rukl, I'm still putting mine in the equipment bag for in-the-field Moon viewing. The Atlas is spiral bond, and though the pages aren't laminated, they look like they should stand up pretty well to dew and usage in the real world.

The individual maps are numbered and also labeled by a significant feature on the map, for example, "Iridum 20," or "Crisium 2." This is a nice touch, very Rukl-like, and should make quick reference easier.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5641687 - 01/24/13 10:53 PM

Quote:

I received my signed copy of the Atlas today. Thanks, Mr. Wood!

I like it. Even though it might have a short run once all the Lunatics get their copies, and the value might climb like a Rukl, I'm still putting mine in the equipment bag for in-the-field Moon viewing. The Atlas is spiral bond, and though the pages aren't laminated, they look like they should stand up pretty well to dew and usage in the real world.

The individual maps are numbered and also labeled by a significant feature on the map, for example, "Iridum 20," or "Crisium 2." This is a nice touch, very Rukl-like, and should make quick reference easier.

Mike




Glad it came!


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5644872 - 01/26/13 06:33 PM

All these great reviews convinced me to order a copy today. I have the Cambridge Photographic Moon Atlas but not the Rukl. Also recently splurged on the S&T topographic moon globe -- I think I'm set now!
---Maya


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5651497 - 01/30/13 01:01 AM

Ordered my copy last week. Just wondering if there was any confirmation of your order or comfirmation of shipping, or did it just show up in your mailbox one day?

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: beatlejuice]
      #5651691 - 01/30/13 07:03 AM

Yes, I got a confirmation of the order. I paid through PayPal, so I always get a confirmation from them, in any case. But I never got a confirmation of shipping because it was never shipped! I won't go into details, but after waiting patiently for six weeks, I finally emailed and the Atlas was shipped to me next business day.

I hope before the next edition, they get up to speed on how to run a mailorder business. So far a great Moon Atlas, but not so good order fulfillment.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5652530 - 01/30/13 03:17 PM

Well, to be fair, it's pretty much Chuck Wood assembling them and mailing them off. There's not an actual business, I don't think; just a couple of guys who put together a really nice product and are trying to distribute it smoothly. Things happen. I certainly couldn't do better!

I have a friend who created and marketed a game once, similar to Trivial Pursuit. It's a good game (naturally I bought one, and several more as gifts); but he ended up with boxes and boxes of them that he couldn't get rid of. The distribution part just killed him. I still see it at thrift stores occasionally.

It's a lot harder than you'd think to do this sort of thing.


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5652881 - 01/30/13 05:59 PM

I caved and ordered one. I tried but couldn't resist. I'll happily read through it, use it as needed, and put it next to the SIX other moon atlases I own.
This does not include the laminated maps and the old National Geographic paper map.
Who owns more than me?


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: rookie]
      #5652962 - 01/30/13 06:28 PM

Welll... are you talking dedicated lunar atlases, or books that include lunar atlases as well (e.g. "Atlas of the Solar System")?

If the former - I have 10 others.
If the latter, I have 15 or 16 others (I didn't count exactly).

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      #5653182 - 01/30/13 08:50 PM

You BOTH rock!!!!

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      #5653221 - 01/30/13 09:10 PM

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It's a lot harder than you'd think to do this sort of thing.




Well, I have done similar things before, and figured out how to do them well enough. A lot of it is just common sense, setting aside the time to do it, and trying to see things from the customer's viewpoint. One of the worst things you can do is get sloppy about order fulfillment. Keep track of when orders were received, when they were paid, and then fulfill them FIFO. It just makes good sense.

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      #5653322 - 01/30/13 10:10 PM

Quote:

Quote:

It's a lot harder than you'd think to do this sort of thing.




Well, I have done similar things before, and figured out how to do them well enough. A lot of it is just common sense, setting aside the time to do it, and trying to see things from the customer's viewpoint. One of the worst things you can do is get sloppy about order fulfillment. Keep track of when orders were received, when they were paid, and then fulfill them FIFO. It just makes good sense.

Mike




Mike, I eagerly await your forthcoming lunar atlas, cool to hear you got the distribution details all ironed out ahead of time!

I ended up ordering two of these puppies for the same shipping cost ... in part due to a terrible case of G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) I have had lately, that has been fueled in large part by this here fine forum , one to use under Luna's fair reflections, and one to squirrel away for a rainy day


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: smallscopefanLeo]
      #5653377 - 01/30/13 10:49 PM

When did I say I ever wrote a lunar atlas or ever intend to? I fully understand that people can be intelligent and very capable at some things, yet utterly ingnorant and incapable at others. I see it all the time, and am never really surprised by it.

Mr. Wood has written a very fine lunar atlas and I intend to keep it in my equipment bag for field observation. But I would not hire him to distribute my Christmas cards.

I'm over it. I hope the distribution problems are all corrected before I order the next edition.

Mike


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: RobertED]
      #5653501 - 01/31/13 01:17 AM

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You BOTH rock!!!!




LOL! Rocks in the head, more likely!


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      #5653696 - 01/31/13 06:54 AM

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      #5656717 - 02/01/13 04:39 PM

My book came today! Fast shipping and autographed too! I've been paging through it the past hour. It's easy to navigate due to the map numbers and companion locator on each page. I also love the size. It sits comfortably on my lap, and opens flat with a wire binding. The pages are glossy and sturdy. The printing is crisp and the photos are awesome. I'm very impressed. It's a winner.

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      #5656857 - 02/01/13 05:53 PM

Just got it today 5 business days to Canada. That is impressive. Autographed and in perfect condition. Everything that Rookie says above!

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      #5658716 - 02/02/13 06:42 PM

Got mine!!!! Arrived this afternoon in just 4 days (I ordered on Jan. 26th) that is a really quick processing for cross-country delivery IMO. Everyone is right on the money -- it's a fine atlas, it will be very useful at the scope as it's set up, great details and info...and mine is also nicely autographed (thank you Mr. Wood!). I have "The Modern Moon" but I wouldn't have known of this atlas if it weren't for this thread, so thanks to all here for mentioning it too!
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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5659255 - 02/03/13 01:37 AM

Yeah; I think the authors hit one out of the park with this atlas.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5659497 - 02/03/13 08:20 AM

How exactly does one order this book? I checked Amazon, nothing, and Ive seen no link to a page with ordering info

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: droid]
      #5659556 - 02/03/13 09:13 AM

Look at the link in the first post of this thread, should get you there.

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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5849309 - 05/09/13 06:37 AM

I already own a copy of the "Modern Moon" from C. Wood and I'd like to acquire his atlas knowing the great scientific value of his work. However to have this atlas would cost me an extra $20 (+30%) to have it sent to Europe (France).

Do you know an importer in Europe ?

I there is none I think I'll buy "this must have" anyway !


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Re: 21st Century Atlas of the Moon new [Re: Jitou]
      #5849424 - 05/09/13 08:13 AM

There is no importer, nor anywhere else to purchase the book. Charles publishes it himself, and mails it out himself.

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