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Peter Natscher
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BARCON Attached To Tightly? new
      #5539239 - 11/25/12 06:47 PM Attachment (21 downloads)

I was looking over my eyepieces today from last night's observing and noticed that my BARCON convertible barlow now has a crack at the optic's edge. It's a new BARCON just used a few times and was carefully handled -- never dropped or bumped against anything. I'm wondering if I clamped it to tightly to my AP focuser last night. Could that focuser ring have added too much side pressure to the barrel around the optics? I'm just dumbfounded as to how this happened.

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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Peter Natscher]
      #5539307 - 11/25/12 07:36 PM

As you know, the beauty of a company like Astro-physics is that they will support you and look into the problem. Perhaps you will have to send it to them for a check out. Call them...

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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: t.r.]
      #5540332 - 11/26/12 01:41 PM

yes, I'm sure AP will know what's up and that is most likely a replacement at this point.

So how do you like the new barcon? A friend of mine wants to buy my current older one, I may have to upgrade.


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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Scott99]
      #5541134 - 11/26/12 09:53 PM

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...So how do you like the new barcon? A friend of mine wants to buy my current older one, I may have to upgrade.




The "new BARCON" isn't a BARCON at all, but rather the BARADV. It's the newly designed flat-field replacement for the BARCON.


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Peter Natscher
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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Scott99]
      #5541255 - 11/26/12 11:03 PM

Mine isn't the new model. It was purchased last June -- one of the last of the older models. If AP doesn't have another older model, I might have to get the newer model as a replacement.

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yes, I'm sure AP will know what's up and that is most likely a replacement at this point.

So how do you like the new barcon? A friend of mine wants to buy my current older one, I may have to upgrade.




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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? [Re: Peter Natscher]
      #5541438 - 11/27/12 01:33 AM

I had a very similar chip/crack appear in my BARCON several years ago after clamping down hard on the lens portion with a brass compression ring / set screw collar (AP collar).
At the time my BARCON was at least a year old.
I ended up buying another one and still have the cracked one.
So far the 2nd BARCON hasn't chipped yet, but I now use Baader ClickLock collars instead.
I think this was/is a flaw in the AP BARCON unit.
Be careful about clamping these too tightly with set screws (even if you have a compression ring in your collar!


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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Peter Natscher]
      #5541557 - 11/27/12 06:17 AM

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I was looking over my eyepieces today from last night's observing and noticed that my BARCON convertible barlow now has a crack at the optic's edge. It's a new BARCON just used a few times and was carefully handled -- never dropped or bumped against anything. I'm wondering if I clamped it to tightly to my AP focuser last night. Could that focuser ring have added too much side pressure to the barrel around the optics? I'm just dumbfounded as to how this happened.




The BARCON body is pretty solid and there is a little wiggle room for the glass, so I can't imagine clamping it hard enough to deform the body a couple mm to chip the glass. Not without using a wrench.

Is the chip in or outside of the light cone? If outside it is a nonissue.


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Peter Natscher
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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Paul G]
      #5541713 - 11/27/12 09:24 AM

Looking straight into the BARCON barrel from either end, I don't see the chip. The chip could still affect optical performance towards the center at this point. I'd like to call this a separation of two glass elements and it could grow towards the center as I continue using and clamping down the BARCON. Using the BARCON ahead of a Mark V bino with eyepieces is a bit of weight so the BARCON needs to be securely clamped down to hold properly. I had a small front window chip (5mm) in my SUV that has grown 100% over a year's time and will probably continue to grow.

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I was looking over my eyepieces today from last night's observing and noticed that my BARCON convertible barlow now has a crack at the optic's edge. It's a new BARCON just used a few times and was carefully handled -- never dropped or bumped against anything. I'm wondering if I clamped it to tightly to my AP focuser last night. Could that focuser ring have added too much side pressure to the barrel around the optics? I'm just dumbfounded as to how this happened.




The BARCON body is pretty solid and there is a little wiggle room for the glass, so I can't imagine clamping it hard enough to deform the body a couple mm to chip the glass. Not without using a wrench.

Is the chip in or outside of the light cone? If outside it is a nonissue.




Edited by Peter Natscher (11/27/12 09:28 AM)


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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Peter Natscher]
      #5541854 - 11/27/12 10:54 AM

Hi Peter,

I can't really see how your BARCON is placed but here is what I do:
I place BARCON to Astro Physics adapter AP16T given additional light path added. This way, clamp pressure goes to AP16T adapter directly, not to BARCON.




Tammy


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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #5541933 - 11/27/12 11:44 AM

Quote:

Hi Peter,

I can't really see how your BARCON is placed but here is what I do:
I place BARCON to Astro Physics adapter AP16T given additional light path added. This way, clamp pressure goes to AP16T adapter directly, not to BARCON.




Tammy




That'll work. It also eliminates the gap that a few compression rings hang on.

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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Paul G]
      #5542236 - 11/27/12 02:25 PM

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That'll work. It also eliminates the gap that a few compression rings hang on.




Won't the additional length cause an increase in magnification? And, worse, an increase in necessary out-focus? I positively know it will with the new AP BARADV that replaced the BARCON.


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Peter Natscher
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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #5542487 - 11/27/12 05:06 PM

Hi Tammy,

Actually, I only used single eyepieces with the BARCON that night -- a couple of Delos and smaller TV Plossels. So, it wasn't even an issue with the heavier weight of a MkV + eyepieces.

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Hi Peter,

I can't really see how your BARCON is placed but here is what I do:
I place BARCON to Astro Physics adapter AP16T given additional light path added. This way, clamp pressure goes to AP16T adapter directly, not to BARCON.

Tammy




Edited by Peter Natscher (11/27/12 05:07 PM)


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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Peter Natscher]
      #5542542 - 11/27/12 05:48 PM

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Hi Tammy,

Actually, I only used single eyepieces with the BARCON that night -- a couple of Delos and smaller TV Plossels. So, it wasn't even an issue with the heavier weight of a MkV + eyepieces.





Hi Peter,

You mean you just used BARCON like below?

If so, clamp pressure isn't on BARCON barrel but on 2" nosepiece above the BARCON unless 2" nosepiece does not go into focuser/diagonal deep enough to clear BARCON barrel?



Tammy


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Peter Natscher
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Re: BARCON Attached To Tightly? new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #5542658 - 11/27/12 07:15 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

Yes, I had my 1.25 dia. eyepieces (Delos and TV Plossels) in the AP 1.25 in. adapter and into the BARCON. The BARCON was inserted and clamped in the AP Maxbright diagonal that was in the AP 175EDF focuser. The BARCON was being held securely by the Maxbright diagonal. There is only one thumb screw on the Maxbright for accessories such as eyepieces and barlows. I don't see how this one thumb screw could squeeze the barrel of my BARCON to chip/crack/separate the lens inside. I've used this common configuration for many years with other Maxbright diagonals and BARCONs and this did not ever happen. I'm thinking that this most recent BARCON sample is flawed somehow.

Look at my photo: in the side-by-side view of the Delos/1.25" adapter/BARCON assembly and the Maxbright diagonal, the Maxbright's clamp ring (left side of Maxbright) doesn't even clamp around the BARCON barrel where the lens is in the BARCON. I clamps at least 1 in. up on the BARCON from where the lens is.

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Hi Tammy,

Actually, I only used single eyepieces with the BARCON that night -- a couple of Delos and smaller TV Plossels. So, it wasn't even an issue with the heavier weight of a MkV + eyepieces.





Hi Peter,

You mean you just used BARCON like below?

If so, clamp pressure isn't on BARCON barrel but on 2" nosepiece above the BARCON unless 2" nosepiece does not go into focuser/diagonal deep enough to clear BARCON barrel?

Tammy




Edited by Peter Natscher (11/27/12 07:32 PM)


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