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Nibiru
      #5552818 - 12/03/12 09:00 PM

Where in the world do people get the idea that there's a planet called "Nibiru"?
I thought it was kind of funny that a NASA official liked the name "Nibiru" so much, that he thought if he had a pet goldfish he would give it that name!

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/yoemans20091110.html

More people should get telescopes so that they can be overwhelmed by a giant planet taking up half the sky getting ready to crash into our humble little planet!
I started this thread in response to a email I got with the NASA link I just posted. I guess there's two different kinds of astronomy; real, and the gossip kind that doesn't involve the use of telescopes!
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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Z28500]
      #5552880 - 12/03/12 09:28 PM

Apparently you missed the gigantic apparition of Mars a while back when it was LARGER THAN THE FULL MOON!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE . . . no wait that's Dec, 21 when the Mayan calendar rolls over and dumps us into the void. You gotta love these pseudoscience crackpots . . . they are certainly creative.

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5552911 - 12/03/12 09:42 PM

Well acording to the nibiru belivers, it's somehow doing 1 of 2 things-

1. Hideing behind the sun, exactly opposite of the earth and causeing the earth to stop orbiting( sayyyy Waaaat?)

2. Only observable from New zeland( don't even bother to tell them this isnt possible).

There's more, but those are the 2 most common....


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: DarkSkys]
      #5553377 - 12/04/12 05:51 AM

Weren't we supposed to all be wiped out by the alignment of the planets last night?
We are also due to be wiped out by the Mayan's on the 21st, which is a bit odd as they had a calendar for the period after this oblivion occurred, why did they bother with that.
Then at some other time we get splattered by Nibiru.

Is the Nibiru splattering before or after Christmas?

Suppose naming his goldfish Nibiru is very appropriate.


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: sg6]
      #5553886 - 12/04/12 12:28 PM

Here is where the Nibiru nonesense started:

In 1976, the late Zecharia Sitchin stirred up a great deal of controversy with the publication of his book, The Twelfth Planet. In this and subsequent books, Sitchin presented his literal translations of ancient Sumerian texts which told an incredible story about the origins of humankind on planet Earth - a story far different and much more fantastic than what we all learned in school.

The ancient cuneiform texts -- some of the earliest known writing, dating back some 6,000 years -- told the story of a race of beings called the Anunnaki. The Anunnaki came to Earth from a planet in our solar system called Nibiru, according to the Sumerians via Sitchin. If you've never heard of it, that's because mainstream science does not recognize Nibiru as one of the planets that revolves around our Sun. Yet it is there, claims Sitchin, and its presence holds great importance not only for humankind's past, but our future as well.

Nibiru's orbit around the Sun is highly elliptical, according to Sitchin's books, taking it out beyond the orbit of Pluto at its farthest point and bringing it as close to the Sun as the far side of the asteroid belt (a ring of asteroids that is known to occupy a band of space between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter). It takes Nibiru 3,600 years to complete one orbital journey, and it was last in this vicinity around 160 B.C.E. As you can imagine, the gravitational effects of a sizable planet moving close to the inner solar system, as it is claimed for Nibiru, could wreak havoc on the orbits of other planets, disrupt the asteroid belt and spell big trouble for planet Earth.

The story of the Anunnaki is told in Sitchin's many books and is digested, augmented and speculated about in dozens of websites. But the tale is essentially this: About 450,000 years ago, Alalu, the deposed ruler of the Anunnaki on Nibiru, escaped the planet on a spaceship and found refuge on Earth. He discovered that Earth had plenty of gold, which Nibiru needed to protect its diminishing atmosphere. They began to mine Earth's gold, and there were a lot of political battles among the Anunnaki for power.

Then around 300,000 years or so ago, the Anunnaki decided to create a race of workers by genetically manipulating the primates on the planet. The result was homo sapiens - us. Eventually, rulership of the Earth was handed over to humans and the Anunnaki left, at least for the time being. Sitchin ties all this - and much more - into the stories of the first books of the Bible and the histories of other ancient cultures, especially Egyptian.

It's an astonishing story, to say the least. Most historians, anthropologists and archeologists consider it all Sumerian myth, of course. But Sitchin's work has created a diehard cadre of believers and researchers who take the story at face value. And some of them, whose ideas are getting widespread attention thanks to the Internet, contend that the return of Nibiru is close at hand - possibly as soon as somewhere between now and 2013!


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: DarkSkys]
      #5553921 - 12/04/12 12:50 PM

Quote:

Well acording to the nibiru belivers, it's somehow doing 1 of 2 things-

1. Hideing behind the sun, exactly opposite of the earth and causeing the earth to stop orbiting( sayyyy Waaaat?)




It hasn't really been possible for over two centuries at leas now for a planet-sized body to "hide" anywhere within the solar system without noticeably perturbing the observed orbital motions of known planets from what their mathematically predicted paths should be, absent such an object. That's why the existence of Neptune was predicted decades before its existence was confirmed by actual observations. It would simply not be possible for an earth-sized planet to "hide", even occupying the same orbit as earth, but 180 degrees out of phase so it always was behind the sun from earth, even aside from issues such as whether gravitational influences from other bodies would eventually deflect both its orbit and that of earth's such that each would come into view of the other.


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: FirstSight]
      #5555673 - 12/05/12 01:21 PM

Reading cuneiform isn't for everyone, and so it's possible for things to get a little 'dicey' when building upon translations, especially of dead and somewhat lost languages. becomes even more complex as you go back into the 'proto-cuneiform' of the early sumerians. If I understand correctly(and I'm not sure I do) this was already lost by the time of late sumeria where the tablets were found in excavations as 'landfill' to build temples upon. There are apparently some translations that even at the time were somewhat 'archeological' for the early scribes - but again this is my guesswork. For anyone really interested the resources are out there, here is a link which links to resources to try and find out. Maybe a bit biased but it is scholarship and online. I was one of I suppose many who for the life of me couldn't seem to reconcile things. Much of what folks know and can talk about can be found in some reference or another through here, but not casual reading.

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5555943 - 12/05/12 04:25 PM

Just the orbital period quoted is laughable. This would have an orbital period of perhaps 150 years. A 3600 year orbit would take it way to the outer edge of the Kuiper belt or even farther.
Not to mention that a planet that large would be fairly bright in the infrared, and infrared surveys don't show it.

There are SO many crackpots. When I was young, there was Velikovsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky),
and there has been a whole string of them ever since. So many of them start out as brilliant scientists, then just go to La-La Land.

It would be interesting to see a psychological study done of the type--perhaps it's a type of Asberger's Syndrome?


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Starman1]
      #5556111 - 12/05/12 06:13 PM

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So many of them [crackpots\ start out as brilliant scientists, then just go to La-La Land.




Well, much of science requires intense immersion into differential equations, which have been known to cause many minds to partially fraction, lost in a wilderness of undetermined coefficients.


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: FirstSight]
      #5556644 - 12/05/12 11:13 PM

I read the twelfth planet, and before I started getting into astronomy. The texts are intriguing . To me but there are many red flags to Indicate the interpretation and facts can't all be correct. The crazy long orbit is one. in one part of his talks/books he mentioned how it caused an eclipse when it was here last but the orbit showed a path that never went between earth and sun!

It's called asperges syndrome (soon to be reclassified as Autistic Spectrum Disorder I think it is. This kind of "type",would have nothing whatsoever to do with asperges. No more than people who like cheeseburgers. I I have been diaged with a mild case and I have to say many traits are straight up positives. Everyone who has it is affected and IS different. I've read numerous books and been to lectures and conference to educate myself on the topic. One of my favorite quotes by hans asperges" for success in art or science, and a dash of autism is essential". I no offense buti think there are lots of aspi types in astronomy

Regarding smart and crazy.. And I've been reading a lot about tesla. I its amazing how smart he was, and and also how he is remembered by most as a crackpot.sure he has some peculiarities and appeared even more removed from reality in his old age. But, I if you take the time to look into his work and life its a sad story.. And crushed by capitalistic greed, and we might be living in a cleaner world. This man came up with a better electricity transmission system than Edison. I he fought him in this and won (his design chosen over Edison for the first electric generating station at Niagara falls.) its a long complicated. Story and he often was his own biggest problem.. I always think of him when I hear of crazy scientists. I I wonder who's saying they are crazy, but for starters..All of tesla work wasconfiscated and is still classified information with the fbi to this day. You have t
o wonder once the full picture comes to view.

Now regarding sitchin .no idea.. And maybe nuts or maybe like some scientists sees a pattern in what he's studying and suddenly everything seems to point towards what he thinks it should.. Don't know, I but he spent his life writing those books. Like a lot of these topics (and I'd even include religious texts as they're surely no less fantastic), and it's fun to wonder how much is fact, vs lies, and vs misrecorded or misrepresented.

I better get back to the beginners forum now.

Edited by lamplight (12/05/12 11:17 PM)


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: lamplight]
      #5556755 - 12/06/12 01:05 AM

Asperger Syndrome:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
The intense preoccupation with a single interest or monomaniacal nature is why I think it might relate to the brilliant scientist who becomes weird when fixated on a "truth no one else knows".

There are many other psychological issues surrounding conspiracy theorists, such as a desire to punish one's tormentors, the desire to regain control by knowing something no one else knows, etc.

Nibiru is merely one of many such.

[No association with asparagus, the vegetable.]


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Starman1]
      #5556781 - 12/06/12 01:32 AM

I understand, but please remember no person with aspergers has all possible symptoms, nor to 100 percent of the ones they may have. I have many not just a single interest.. and they change.. some last.. now its... guess. its a real pita defining and explaining, like any category, particularly psych.. Tony atwood is pretty much the current expert and personally feel hes on the money. he says "once youve met one person with aspergers, youve met ONE person with aspergers". But I love aperagus.

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Starman1]
      #5556782 - 12/06/12 01:35 AM

some are idiots, some are gullible but whatever the reason, after this one passes I wonder what the next dooms day scenario for thousands around the world to foolishly believe will be hehe.....any takers? Obiously Apophis but theres GOT to be 7-10 more between now and then

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Danzup77]
      #5556785 - 12/06/12 01:40 AM

Its incredible how so many believers (like in religion) have backtracked massively over the last 6 mo. A year and a half ago there was no WAY Nibaru (or whatever) was going to miss us.....now its....well between now and 2015. Even though we would see it by now either way. As far as the Mayan calendar it just ends a cycle. Just as the 1st cycle was for humans made out of wood and the next cycle was humans made out of mud....lol.

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Danzup77]
      #5556796 - 12/06/12 01:59 AM

Mayan calendar is awesome.. More accurate than ours I've read.. (No leap year), and it starts before they were a civilization.. Pretty interesting. And the accuracy.. Really hard to believe they could do that standing on a hill looking at the stars. I imply nothing.. Just those facts are peculiar. Agree, just end of one cycle and beginning of another...

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: lamplight]
      #5557268 - 12/06/12 10:50 AM

What brought me to the cuneiform writing system originally was the study of 'writing systems' at large, and by way of that encountering a lot of history. It's a fairly recent development that we could begin to decypher several of the very old systems, cuneiform, heiroglyphic/heiratic, mayan, and linear B. Others like rongo-rongo, meroitic, etruscan, zapotec and isthmian, the indus script await.

Sticking to the sumerian specifically there are in the surving image motif enough oddiity to fuel a hundred waco-magnet hypothesis and books and web sites. In fact an image search I just did confirms this... There is a clear difference in sumerian cuneiform from that of later cuneiform as used throughout the region by many peoples, it is distinct from akkadian (and possbly adapted as same by amorites) so it is a key in ways to tell if the image was made in sumerian times or copied / used by a later people who incorporated the pantheon or part of it, which may not have been uncommon. Too many times sumerian is culled into babylonian, mesopotamian... when there could have been a very large gap - as much as a few thousand years and as little as maybe one thousand between sumerian and early babylonian. An interesting read about this type of thing here, without anything controversial about ufos and genetic engineering and what have you.

Just want to say there is enough known about much of this that even just sticking to that, there is plenty to find extremely interesting. To close, I just want to include a funny story a friend sent a few days ago (I have to admit here that if this was sent to me it is most likely not too recent)... I call it 'gone wireless'....

After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year outside of New York City, New York scientists found traces of copper cable dating back 100 years. They came to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years ago. Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed, a Los Angeles, California archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet somewhere just outside Oceanside. Shortly after, a story in the LA Times read: "California archaeologists report a finding of 200 year old copper cable, have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier than the New Yorkers." One week later, the Bangor Daily News in Bangor, Maine reported the following: "After digging down about 30 feet deep in his pasture near the community of Bucksport, ME., Robert, a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely nothing. Robert has therefore concluded that 300 years ago, Maine had already gone wireless". Just makes a person proud to be from Maine.



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Re: Nibiru new [Re: lamplight]
      #5557376 - 12/06/12 11:50 AM

I remember reading a book and seeing a movie about Tesla; apparently his "lights" worked without wires. He was able to screw the light bulb into the ground a have it light up. He worked more with kinetic energy,I believe. He's the one that made the big ball thing that can shoot out electricity that makes your hair stand up....but, you are correct, the corporate powers that be in that day were financing the other guy; and destroyed Tesla and his work. Tesla's "energy" was also practically free....

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Re: Nibiru new [Re: DarkSkys]
      #5557622 - 12/06/12 02:12 PM

Quote:

Well acording to the nibiru belivers, it's somehow doing 1 of 2 things-

1. Hideing behind the sun, exactly opposite of the earth and causeing the earth to stop orbiting( sayyyy Waaaat?)

Sorry, nope. That's where the planet Gor is. Bonus points if you know what author penned that idea.

2. Only observable from New zeland( don't even bother to tell them this isnt possible).

You know how those Hobbits are. Clannish bunch!

There's more, but those are the 2 most common....




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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Stargazer2012]
      #5557821 - 12/06/12 04:22 PM

Quote:

Well acording to the nibiru belivers, it's somehow doing 1 of 2 things-

1. Hiding behind the sun, exactly opposite of the earth and causing the earth to stop orbiting( sayyyy Waaaat?)

Sorry, nope. That's where the planet Gor is. Bonus points if you know what author penned that idea.

2. Only observable from New Zealand( don't even bother to tell them this isn't possible).

You know how those Hobbits are. Clannish bunch!

There's more, but those are the 2 most common....




John Norman. Read those books when I was young (well, a teenager, anyway, and I'm not sure I read all 32 of them, though the titles seem familiar). Along with all the Doc Savage novels, the Conan novels, and the Pellucidar, Mars, and Venus novels of Burroughs. Swashbuckling!

New Zealand is kind of "The Land That Time Forgot". It was like going back in time to visit there. Many things are possible.......


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Re: Nibiru new [Re: Starman1]
      #5558128 - 12/06/12 07:25 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Well acording to the nibiru belivers, it's somehow doing 1 of 2 things-

1. Hiding behind the sun, exactly opposite of the earth and causing the earth to stop orbiting( sayyyy Waaaat?)

Sorry, nope. That's where the planet Gor is. Bonus points if you know what author penned that idea.

2. Only observable from New Zealand( don't even bother to tell them this isn't possible).

You know how those Hobbits are. Clannish bunch!

There's more, but those are the 2 most common....




John Norman. Read those books when I was young (well, a teenager, anyway, and I'm not sure I read all 32 of them, though the titles seem familiar). Along with all the Doc Savage novels, the Conan novels, and the Pellucidar, Mars, and Venus novels of Burroughs. Swashbuckling!

New Zealand is kind of "The Land That Time Forgot". It was like going back in time to visit there. Many things are possible.......




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