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GregB
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: ed_turco]
      #5567644 - 12/12/12 01:54 PM

I just checked shipping costs for my AD10 10" dob. If I repack in the original cartons (breakdown the base) to ship from California to NY would run from $175 to $200 depending on whether I used USPS, UPS or Fedex ground. If you had to purchase new packing materials that would add even more, maybe another $100 or so.

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mistyridge
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: GregB]
      #5567904 - 12/12/12 04:23 PM

Sold my 18" Teeter a couple of years ago very local..15 miles. No way was I going to ship that beast. Just boxing would have cost a goodly percentage of the selling price.

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Jon Isaacs
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Astro Sky]
      #5568713 - 12/13/12 06:20 AM

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Have shipped over two hundred dobs from 8 " to 24", only one minor damage on rocker box very small scratch 10 years ago. One scope takes 6 to 8 hours to pack.






Myself, I am not prepared to spend 6 to 8 hours to pack a scope and in any event, when I sell, I want the buyer to really know what he/she is getting.

Jon


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csa/montana
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5569013 - 12/13/12 10:55 AM

I've only shipped my 8" dob. However, it was very easy; as I keep the shipping boxes, so just used them.

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BigC
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: ed_turco]
      #5569459 - 12/13/12 03:24 PM

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Another thought. I sent my niece and nephew a 6" dob, from RI to NC a while back. With UPS boxing the item, it cost me over $500 to send it. That ****ed base weighed a ton! And there was no way my family down there could fabricate a new base.

They got it in one piece, and in their words, "It was grand!!"


Ed


???? $500 would have paid for a brand new 6 or 8 inch from Orion,Zhumell,Apertura, or astronomics delivered !

I conclude the compaines get a huge break on shipping fees versus what the private person must pay.


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Astro Sky]
      #5569530 - 12/13/12 04:22 PM

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Have shipped over two hundred dobs from 8 " to 24", only one minor damage on rocker box very small scratch 10 years ago. One scope take 6 to 8 hours to packing.




can you make a video of how your telescopes are packed an post it on your website?


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Mark Harry
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Jeff B]
      #5570391 - 12/14/12 07:14 AM

Just reading original post:
******
I just sold mirror only- conus: offered the local deal on the whole scope for a very important reason.
Base weighs over 100#, and the OTA was right at 100#. Can you imagine what it would look like after UPS had it for a couple weeks???? And the cost to ship????
I shudder to think about it.
Mark


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echoes1961
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: kfiscus]
      #5581946 - 12/21/12 06:54 AM

Look at it this way..Would you ship a hot water heater? Kind of the same situation.

Also...The best time to sell a big dob is when you are also selling a pickup truck and sell both as a 2 for 1 deal. They catch a bus to where you live and drive the truck and scope home.


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: echoes1961]
      #5582517 - 12/21/12 01:30 PM

That's good!

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Mike B
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: echoes1961]
      #5582521 - 12/21/12 01:33 PM

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Look at it this way..Would you ship a hot water heater?




Not unless i removed the mirror first... wouldn't want it damaged in transit...


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Mike B]
      #5592067 - 12/28/12 01:19 AM

I've been following this thread silently. To give some background I live outside the USA so for me shipping is MANDATORY unless by some coincidence I end up in the same city at the time of the sale.
Since I have been shopping (and just purchased) a mid-sized Dob (14"), I've been sourcing out some shipping options:
1. Firstly, UPS will pack and ship. In fact, one very premium Dob maker gave me their contact for the local UPS store who does their crating for them. Yes, it will cost a few hundred dollars, but for a foreigner (alien!) like me, its still cheaper than a return economy flight.
2. Some Dob makers will help out: They either have their own crating or they have shippers to crate for them. If your intended seller (or if you, the seller) lives close to one of these guys, then it may be a viable option to ask them to help out.
A nice point about getting UPS to pack - they then become responsible for any shipping damage. Just make sure you take the "before" shots and inisure the package fully.
Another thing to note: Always remove the mirror and pack. Spectrum Coatings gives pretty good instructions on how to do so
Shipping will make your Dobs, especially your expensive, large, truss tube dobs so much more marketable, and for us foreign aliens, more available.


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: cloud_cover]
      #5593360 - 12/28/12 09:14 PM

It must cost a fortune to ship a scope from the USA to Canada.

jake


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Bill Weir
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: northernontario]
      #5593590 - 12/28/12 11:54 PM

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It must cost a fortune to ship a scope from the USA to Canada.

jake




Yup, that's why I had mine shipped to a relative of a friend in the US just south of the border. I then caught the ferry off the island, drove across the border and brought it back myself. That way I only had to deal with taxes and none of that brokerage garbage. Even then it still cost a fortune.

Bill


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Bill Weir]
      #5595436 - 12/30/12 01:02 AM

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Quote:

It must cost a fortune to ship a scope from the USA to Canada.

jake




Yup, that's why I had mine shipped to a relative of a friend in the US just south of the border. I then caught the ferry off the island, drove across the border and brought it back myself. That way I only had to deal with taxes and none of that brokerage garbage. Even then it still cost a fortune.

Bill




Heck, it's been my experience that it costs a fortune to send pretty much anything to Canada.


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: okieav8r]
      #5595474 - 12/30/12 02:05 AM

When I bought my CPC1100, the first owner did not have the original boxes and I wanted the box in case I wanted to sell it. I actually 'purchased' an empty box from Starizona for nothing and had them ship it to me. It cost me $150 to ship that empty box, exactly the same price as it would have cost with the scope in it!

Patrick


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Patrick]
      #5595560 - 12/30/12 04:19 AM

That's because shippers take into account both the actual weight as well as the volumetric weight - this is because even feather-light objects, such as your empty box take up space in a shipping vehicle.
DHL (my usual shipper) uses this formula: LengthxBreadthxHeight (in cm) / 5000 = Volumetric Weight in Kg
Unfortunately telescopes are mostly empty space so their shipping weight (volumetric) tends to be far higher than their actual weight. Even for something so dense to ship as a disassembled truss tube Dob.


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: Jeff B]
      #5596060 - 12/30/12 12:27 PM

Shipping a big dob (> 16") is a lot easier than shipping a small dob. The big dob can be strapped to a pallet, with the delicate stuff packed in a separate box (ship it by air). You need a loading dock for this. I can ship a big dob across country for a couple of hundred dollars. If you worry about picking up a couple of dings along the way, you can wrap cardboard around the piece(s) and then wrap it all with plastic.

You could ship smaller dobs this way, but the shipping price will remain about the same.

This may horrify owners who want their dob to look like a piece of Stickley furniture, but for equipment that gets used, it will receive its share of war scratches anyway.

Packing and shipping is not rocket science. It's just not for the lazy.


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: hottr6]
      #5597455 - 12/31/12 06:37 AM

Have you ever actually shipped a 16 inch Dob across the country just strapped to a pallet? In my younger days I worked for an LTL trucking company. I know what goes on on a loading dock, in the back of a truck. Pallets get pushed around with the forks.. the forks slip, 3000 miles in a freight trailer is a lot of pounding... Drivers don't always properly secure things.

I once shipped a 13.1 inch Coulter across the country, it was on a pallet.The pounding caused the based to self-destruct. On the other hand, I have shipped various 6 and 8inch tube dobs around the US in boxes, best are the originals, with a problem. I disassemble the bases, they ship flat.

The last Dob I bought was a 25 inch F/5.. I would never try to ship it, it was enough just loading it into our mini truck and driving a couple hundred miles... I am also skeptical that it could be shipped for a couple of hundred dollars. The mirror weighs about 80lbs, the truss tubes are about 7 feet long...

Telescopes are made to be used but they are not made to be abused. I doubt very much a buyer would share your cavalier attitude about anicks and bumps...

I'll ship smaller scopes but not big ones.

Jon


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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: hottr6]
      #5597704 - 12/31/12 10:40 AM

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This may horrify owners who want their dob to look like a piece of Stickley furniture, but for equipment that gets used, it will receive its share of war scratches anyway.




I may be alone in my opinion; but if I was the purchaser, I would not want it to arrive with "war scratches", unless the price reflected them. I love my equipment to remain as pristine as possible; that's not saying I don't use the equipment, I just hate to see any damage to them. I always keep the manufacturer's shipping boxes, in case I sell something.


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Bill Weir
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Re: So How Come Nobody Wants to Ship Their DOB? new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5597721 - 12/31/12 10:55 AM

I wonder now about the concept of using a furniture/houshold moving company for something like my 20" scope. Recently I shipped halfway across Canada (so the same as most of the way across the US) a fair amount of rather fragile antique furniture. It arrived perfectly intact. All they did was wrap it in shipping blankets and tape them in place. Movers like this take a great deal of care because they are the ones responsible.

It might be interesting to price out the difference in cost between a courier and a moving company for a large scope. What I do know is that the moving company would be slower.

Bill


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