· Get a Cloudy Nights T-Shirt · Submit a Review / Article Click here if you are having trouble logging into the forums Privacy Policy | Please read our Terms of Service | Signup and Troubleshooting FAQ | Problems? PM a Red or a Green Gu… uh, User You are not logged in. [Login] Entrance · Main Index · Search · New user · Who's Online FAQ · Calendar Equipment Discussions >> Classic Telescopes Previous   Index   Next   Threaded   Pages: 1 | 2 | (show all) dgreyson sage Reged: 11/06/12 Loc: South Carolina Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: Da Bear]       #5556774 - 12/06/12 01:25 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Curious, my understanding was that in 1999 Larry Hardin, an ex employee, bought the “Astrola” name from Thomas Cave Jr. in order to produce mirrors. Meade shows no recorded connection to Astrola or Cave Optical in the US Patent and Trademark records That I can see. Is there some backstory concerning Meade and Cave optical other than one being a supplier to the other? Post Extras:       tim53 Postmaster Reged: 12/17/04 Loc: Highland Park, CA Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: dgreyson]       #5556883 - 12/06/12 04:28 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   nope Post Extras:       Da Bear scholastic sledgehammer Reged: 11/21/06 Loc: Kali-Forn-Ya Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: tim53]       #5558218 - 12/06/12 08:28 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Good luck with your nameplates.... I hope it works out. Da Bear Post Extras:       dgreyson sage Reged: 11/06/12 Loc: South Carolina Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: Da Bear]       #5559630 - 12/07/12 05:19 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Bear, I will certainly look into it much deeper, and in any event, need to create a vector graphics file first to send to the printers so nothings set in cement any way. I note that Hardin has folded their retail telescope and mirror business recently and apparently his son has taken over the corporation, I'd guess they arent selling Astrola mirrors anymore and are mostly pursuing Military and industrial contracts now. Does anyone know if Astrola mirrors are still for sale anywhere or not? His trade mark is still valid until it comes up for renewal again in any case. The Wayback machine can go back in time and look at Hardin's now dead retail pages, at one time they used to sell quite a lot of astronomy goods. http://web.archive.org/web/20071014224200/http://hardinoptical.com/astrola.html Post Extras:       Datapanic Carpal Tunnel Reged: 10/17/09 Loc: Tucson, Arizona Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: dgreyson]       #5560119 - 12/07/12 10:59 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Incidentally, the domain astrola.com expires next month. It's not owned by Hardin. There's also an iPhone app company called Astrola. Post Extras:       dgreyson sage Reged: 11/06/12 Loc: South Carolina Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: Datapanic]       #5561084 - 12/08/12 03:36 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Yep, for a meaningless word it gets around a lot. Hardin's website was http://astrola-optics.com/ before they took it down but it just redirects to hardinoptical.com now. Post Extras:       Joe Cepleur Pooh-Bah Reged: 03/18/10 Loc: Dark North Woods Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: dgreyson]       #5570867 - 12/14/12 01:30 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Can any printer print similar stickers on aluminum, or could you refer me to whatever special printer you found? When I look at Larry Beach's extensive work to refurbish my orange tube C8, I think it should have a permanent sticker attached, something like: Refurbished by Clear Edge Optical Larry Beach LDBeachTec@hotmail.com His work has become part of the scope's provenance. When I was a child, I had a musical instrument, a 150-year-old Tyrolean double bass, that my parents bought in not-so-good shape, and had repaired for me to play. The repairman installed what is called a "repair ticket" inside the bass, reading "John Salkowski, Squantum, Massachusetts, 1971." The idea was that no one who knew instruments would mistake this one for being so new, yet as a matter of honesty and history, it clearly stated who had modified the instrument from its original condition. This same documenting of history should become a part of so extensively refurbished a telescope. Post Extras:       dgreyson sage Reged: 11/06/12 Loc: South Carolina Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: Joe Cepleur]       #5570963 - 12/14/12 02:45 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Wow, that's a pretty good endorsement if you want to do that, I like the idea of documenting changes. The cow's long out of the barn in my case though. I'm not sure exactly what the material is, those thick aluminum labels are usually done with a silk screen process. you can buy a SpeedBall Ultimate Diazo Fabric Screen Printing Kit for about 89 bucks from a variety of craft places online. Its a piece of silk stretched tight in a frame. You wet it with an opaque Diazo photo emulsion. then you make a negative on a piece of clear acetate, easy to do with an inkjet printer once you have your art ready. lay that on the screen and expose it to sunlight. UV hardens the emulsion where the light hits it. Wash it in hot water and the unexposed emulsion washes out, which leaves you with a permanent stencil. spread screen print ink on it and lay it on your media, thin aluminum sheet in this instance to print your image. once it dries you cut your labels apart and glue them on. making the negative is the only part that you have to expend effort on ( with photoshop). Havent done it in ages, used to make control panels and label printed circuit boards back in the day. Being pressed for time these days, I was going to outsource it to a printer, I think the cave labels are going to be more like a mylar sticker that you can peel back off if you like but not that far along in it yet. so Dunno. Post Extras:       orion61 Vendor(Clear Edge Optical) Reged: 10/20/07 Loc: NW Iowa BURRRR Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: dgreyson]       #5571645 - 12/14/12 09:59 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   sent you a pm.. Post Extras:       apfever Carpal Tunnel Reged: 05/13/08 Loc: Colorado Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: orion61]       #5589532 - 12/26/12 11:25 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   pm sent Post Extras:       dgreyson sage Reged: 11/06/12 Loc: South Carolina Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: apfever]       #5589560 - 12/26/12 11:40 AM Attachment (12 downloads) Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   I am negotiating with the printers about the exact proportions and margins, They have a photo of an original tag but cant seem to get that the art should grow or shrink to match with the original tag rather than just be a fixed size. Although, we are deliberately making it different from an original, I want it a little closer. We cant do the Brass tag because it just say's "Astrola" and so dosent meet the fair use criteria to not infringe on Hastings Mark. Post Extras:       vanderpol member Reged: 07/16/10 Loc: Portland Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: dgreyson]       #5639486 - 01/23/13 07:51 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Trademark is open; cancelled in 2009: Serial Number: 76091134 Registration Number/ Date: 2709786 April 22nd, 2003 Filing Date: July 17th, 2000 Status/ Date: Registration cancelled because registrant did not file an acceptable declaration under Section 8. To view all documents in this file, click on the Trademark Document Retrieval link at the top of this page. November 28th, 2009 Post Extras:       dgreyson sage Reged: 11/06/12 Loc: South Carolina Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: vanderpol]       #5639669 - 01/23/13 10:27 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   I need to get back with the Printers and see how they are doing, So much time and so little to do, IT's hard to fit it all in! Post Extras:       Jim Curry Pooh-Bah Reged: 10/29/07 Loc: STL Re: anyone want some repro Cave Astrola nameplates? [Re: dgreyson]       #5645550 - 01/27/13 07:13 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   PM me when you get them. I have a 10". Thx. Jim Post Extras:       Pages: 1 | 2 | (show all) Previous   Index   Next   Threaded   Extra information 10 registered and 14 anonymous users are browsing this forum. 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