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Paco_Grande
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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: killdabuddha]
      #5554214 - 12/04/12 04:06 PM

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They're always gonna ask. And good thing, cuz that's where we read how to do it and partly why we went with f/6, 2.6" secondary, etc.. Now, doin it is fun. But before the build, there were a few other things, too, that designed the scope more than we did.




Off the medication I see?


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: rdandrea]
      #5554237 - 12/04/12 04:25 PM

As a newbie, I will say, once I heard about collimation, I was a little worried, but I you tubed it, got an idea of what it's all about, and it don't really bother me at all. Not intimidated by it, for what it's worth.

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: kfiscus]
      #5554327 - 12/04/12 05:34 PM

After a set up and session or two, it is time to add collimation to the mix. Collimation is not all that difficult. If it is put off too long, the images will blur up and the person won't know why. As I see it, learning collimation is just one of the factors of telescope ownership like focusing, letting the mirror(s) cool down, set up, and so on.

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: killdabuddha]
      #5555247 - 12/05/12 08:08 AM

Now, doin it is fun. But before the build, there were a few other things, too, that designed the scope more than we did.

Huh?

As a newbie, I will say, once I heard about collimation, I was a little worried, but I you tubed it, got an idea of what it's all about, and it don't really bother me at all.

Er, what ...?

Edited by Meadeball (12/05/12 08:10 AM)


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: Meadeball]
      #5555593 - 12/05/12 12:32 PM

Naw Paco, Meadeball,

Still on the meds, thx. For us, and it bein our first scope, we had to do what we could to keep everything as simple as possible. That meant homework to understand how the scope does what it does at its most basic. And as we were bino-viewin and havin to pay for things twice, we also had to keep costs down (no Paracorrs or expensive, uber-corrected EPs). Goin with f/6 got us where we needed to be, and the more forgiving collimation of a slower mirror was a big part of our decision. But I also remember recoiling at things like collimation and central obstruction initially, and wonderin whether these made a Newt an inherently inferior instrument. Glad we looked further.


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: killdabuddha]
      #5555656 - 12/05/12 01:06 PM

Collimating a Newt is no big deal. It can be done for no money invested in tools with a film can top and a star test or with $260+ in tools and everything in between. All it takes is a basic understanding of the mechanics involved. The theory behind it is a bit tougher to grasp for some of us and it's not necessary at all to know in order to get it done correctly. Parsing out the mumbo-jumbo "speak" that some people use for the real answers in plain English was, for me, an eye-opener. A 12 year old can collimate a Newt, it's that easy IMO.

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: howard929]
      #5555698 - 12/05/12 01:38 PM

with the proper tools, it's as simple as line up all the circles till they look like a target.

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here [Re: csrlice12]
      #5556027 - 12/05/12 05:15 PM

I just ignored any reference to"C" until id had my scopes a couple months and started to realize I could get sharper. Of course my scopes are in worse "C" than when I started but that's not the point;)

Gonna get a laser.


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: lamplight]
      #5556462 - 12/05/12 09:25 PM

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...Of course my scopes are in worse "C" than when I started but that's not the point;)

Gonna get a laser.




Hee hee. You are soooo hooked.

Do you even use your CPC? I've used mine ONCE in 3 months. In fact, I've only used it one time period! I think it needs a new home. Having too much fun with the manual scopes.


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: Paco_Grande]
      #5556491 - 12/05/12 09:47 PM

Actually phil I do use it still for quick sessions. I find it a lot easier to use and setup without power instead ofthe eq mounted scopes! I know a cps for starhopping?! It just sortofhappened that way. I even took the hand controller off so I don't damage it since inever useit.

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: lamplight]
      #5556492 - 12/05/12 09:49 PM

But yes, hooked. Id like to trade the 8" sct for a 11" since you brought it up.

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: lamplight]
      #5556646 - 12/05/12 11:14 PM

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I just ignored any reference to"C" until id had my scopes a couple months and started to realize I could get sharper. Of course my scopes are in worse "C" than when I started but that's not the point;)

Gonna get a laser.






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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: killdabuddha]
      #5556891 - 12/06/12 04:51 AM

My first real scope was an 8 inch f/6 Deep space explorer, Orion, circa the really early 1990s.
I purchased it after being assured by everyone that it was the perfect beginners scope, and It was ,actually, small enough to toss the scope on my shoulder ,stick the eps in my pocket, grab the base and carry it in the house.
grab and go at its biggest.
But no one told me about collimation, true enough Id heard of it in my wanderings through yahoo groups.
But I would read this galaxy, pick one lol, should be easy prey for an eight inch, or this detail should be an easy view in an eight inch, but I never could find or see them.
Then a member in a long ago dead group asked me when was the last time id collimated it, well umm, never.
For those who remember the dse scopes youll know the secondary was on a single stalk, so it was never rocket science - grab the stalk and bend it, lol. And the main mirror took an allen wrench, and it took me a while to figure it out. What I wouldnt have given to know all this at the go, the great red spot suddenly became clear, M51 was suddenly clear, and stars were perty close to dots.
So yeah Id say beginners ought to know in advance that they're new reflector will need collimation.
perhaps a beginners collimation video , with good advise might be a good idea , if one exists.
Not sure if most manufacturers sell theyre scopes with the center dots now or not?????

Edited by droid (12/06/12 04:52 AM)


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: droid]
      #5556957 - 12/06/12 06:52 AM

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For those who remember the dse scopes youll know the secondary was on a single stalk, so it was never rocket science - grab the stalk and bend it, lol.




I had a Pirate Instruments 8 inch F/6 with a stalk type secondary. Not the easiest way to collimate a scope. One night something went wrong as I was trying to bend it and the secondary mirror popped off and hit the floor...

Jon


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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5557322 - 12/06/12 11:31 AM

buying a laser collimator definitely helped me =)

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: Chauncey]
      #5557432 - 12/06/12 12:22 PM

One of the first things I bought was a laser collimator but I can't figure out how to turn it on!

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Re: No need to use the C word when newbies begin here new [Re: Paco_Grande]
      #5557438 - 12/06/12 12:24 PM

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One of the first things I bought was a laser collimator but I can't figure out how to turn it on!




Didya try banging it on the wall? Works for the cat! Ahhh, you should see how a few stout whacks get 'em running around. AND if you do get that laser working, if nothing else, the cat will love it.

Edited by howard929 (12/06/12 12:35 PM)


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