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mike73
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Reged: 05/01/12

Loc: UK Plymouth

M1 and M42/43
#5568684 - 12/13/12 05:25 AM Attachment (127 downloads)

I took a trip to a dark site last Saturday to put my new 16" Sumerian through its paces and had a great night.
Seeing was excellent at around Antoniadi I but poor transparency hampered DSO hunting/sketching so I have to wait a little longer to properly see how much detail a larger aperture scope can pull.

M1 was very hard to sketch with the conditions so poor, just a few fleeting glimpses was all that I was given to make the sketch.

The brighter M42/43 was alot easier but I under clearer skies I should imagine more detail and contrast should be shown.
They say good things come to those that wait well I've had enough of waiting....GIMMEE CLEAR SKIES!!!

Mike

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mike73
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Reged: 05/01/12

Loc: UK Plymouth

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5568685 - 12/13/12 05:26 AM Attachment (96 downloads)

M42/43

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Aquarellia
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Reged: 10/27/12

Loc: Val d'Issole, Provence, France

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5568689 - 12/13/12 05:34 AM

Well done Mike, your site is interesting as well, thanks to share.
Say hello for me to the beatifull bay of Plymouth
Michel

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Jef De Wit
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 03/06/09

Loc: Hove, Belgium

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Aquarellia]
#5568693 - 12/13/12 05:43 AM

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Ed D
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 04/30/10

Loc: Sunny South Florida

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Jef De Wit]
#5568695 - 12/13/12 05:51 AM

A 16" in dark skies, WOOOW! Nice sketches. I especially like the one of M1, which shows the detail well.

Ed D

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niteskystargazer
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 10/05/09

Loc: 41-43'-28" N 87-42'-39" W

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5569568 - 12/13/12 04:46 PM

Mike,

Very nice sketches of M-1 & M-42/M-43

.

CS,KLU,

,

Tom

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Chopin
Canis Insanus

Reged: 02/03/05

Loc: In the doghouse.

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: niteskystargazer]
#5569788 - 12/13/12 07:23 PM

M1 is far from disappointing, my friend. Beautiful rendition with more detail than I've ever seen.

The Orion Nebula is incredible. Mike, what materials did you use? Oil pastel? Chalk?

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frank5817
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Reged: 06/13/06

Loc: Illinois

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Chopin]
#5569809 - 12/13/12 07:36 PM

Mike,

You have 2 beautiful looking sketches there.
A 16 inch scope is a great scope to have under dark skies for observing and sketching.

Frank

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Andrev
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 02/08/11

Loc: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: frank5817]
#5569863 - 12/13/12 08:12 PM

Mike

Your two sketches are simply fabulous and incredible. There is so much details. I can really feel I'm looking throught your scope.

Congratulation

Andre

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mike73
member

Reged: 05/01/12

Loc: UK Plymouth

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Andrev]
#5570319 - 12/14/12 04:51 AM

Thankyou all for the comments.

Jason - I use the 'Melish technique' for sketching so its white pastels/pastel pencil and white ink pen.

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azure1961p
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Reged: 01/17/09

Loc: USA

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5570751 - 12/14/12 12:02 PM

Beautiful work and among the best. It's a treasure when you see deep sky drawn accurately and representative of the difficult and elusive nature of the perception.

Pete

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JeanB
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 07/11/11

Loc: Montreal, Canada

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: azure1961p]
#5570992 - 12/14/12 03:06 PM

Two very fine pieces of work, Mike!

Your M42 is amazing!

Jean

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Michael Rapp
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 04/27/04

Loc: Dickinson, TX

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: JeanB]
#5571083 - 12/14/12 04:13 PM

Hi Mike,

Would you talk a moment about how to did the outer nebulosity of M42? What tools did you use to lighten it/blend it in places? Did you put the stars down first or after?

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mike73
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Reged: 05/01/12

Loc: UK Plymouth

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Michael Rapp]
#5571278 - 12/14/12 06:21 PM

Quote:

Hi Mike,

Would you talk a moment about how to did the outer nebulosity of M42? What tools did you use to lighten it/blend it in places? Did you put the stars down first or after?

Hi Michael
I think the best I can do is point you towards this tutorial which really helped me when I first started using pastels ( big thankyou to Alex for writing it up).

My M42 was simply done by brushing on thin layers of white pastel and then using a putty eraser to take some pastel off which helps with the wispy nebula look.
Stars are added last using either a pastel pencil of white ink pen.

I hope this helps a little? I've found that using pastels is an excellent technique for astro sketching.

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Michael Rapp
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 04/27/04

Loc: Dickinson, TX

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5573086 - 12/15/12 07:53 PM

Thanks Mike! That and the tutorial link helps immensely. I will need to try this. I like the effect.

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Asbytec
Guy in a furry hat

Reged: 08/08/07

Loc: La Union, PI

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Michael Rapp]
#5573312 - 12/15/12 10:10 PM

Wow, the filaments in the Crab are really cool. I have never seen them visually and appreciate someone who can tease them out. Well done.

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John K
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 12/26/05

Loc: Vernon BC Canada

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Asbytec]
#5574035 - 12/16/12 11:49 AM

Great sketching!Nice work.

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Chopin
Canis Insanus

Reged: 02/03/05

Loc: In the doghouse.

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5574388 - 12/16/12 03:51 PM

Quote:

Thankyou all for the comments.

Jason - I use the 'Melish technique' for sketching so its white pastels/pastel pencil and white ink pen.

Mike, thank you very much for the link to Alexander Massey's article at IceInSpace. I was not familiar with Scott Mellish. His method was simple and effective. I love it. Looks like I need to make another trip to the art supply store.

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kenrenard
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 12/13/12

Loc: Dunmore, PA

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5576422 - 12/17/12 09:06 PM

This is very beautiful. I just started sketching to improve my observing skills with pencil. I just tried m42 the other night it's not easy to sketch. You are a true artist great work.

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Uwe Pilz
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 05/16/08

Loc: Leipzig, Germany

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: kenrenard]
#5576702 - 12/18/12 01:02 AM

Real amazing sketches! Both are not easy to do if you want to cathc the subtle details.

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arya
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Reged: 02/23/08

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Uwe Pilz]
#5576935 - 12/18/12 08:41 AM

wonderful sketches Mike, you would have lost track of time observing and sketching those beauties

, but am curious to know on how much time you spent in sketching session?

Clear skies
Ravi

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mike73
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Reged: 05/01/12

Loc: UK Plymouth

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: arya]
#5577430 - 12/18/12 02:41 PM

Hi Ravi and thankyou.
I probably took about 2 hours on each sketch/observation.

M42 was a case of spending time using different magnifications and trying filtered and unfiltered views. In the end I decided on using no filters and a 17.3mm Delos.
M1 was different. The transparency was so poor that I would only get an occasional glimpse of any detail, it was almost like piecing together parts of a puzzle.

I dont set any time restrictions when sketching, seems pointless to rush something you really enjoy.

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arya
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Reged: 02/23/08

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5578424 - 12/19/12 05:35 AM

I totally agree you Mike on not having time restrictions, hope to see more in coming time

Clear skies
Ravi

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JimPie
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Reged: 11/10/07

Loc: S.E.Michigan

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Uwe Pilz]
#5580930 - 12/20/12 03:43 PM

Mike,
These are both excellent. Your technique with the white pastel is amazing-and thank you for sharing a little of your technique. I cant make up my mind which one I like better: M1 more difficult to observe and yet a very detailed sketch. Your sketch of m42 is one of the best I've seen.

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Scanning4Comets
Markus

Reged: 12/26/04

Loc: Deep Space!

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Uwe Pilz]
#5583902 - 12/22/12 11:25 AM

Awesome sketches!!!!

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phily
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Reged: 12/18/04

Loc: Kent, UK

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Uwe Pilz]
#5589234 - 12/26/12 05:56 AM

Nice: lovely detail.
Phil

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phily
sage

Reged: 12/18/04

Loc: Kent, UK

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Uwe Pilz]
#5648435 - 01/28/13 03:04 PM

That's great work in pastels. Great control of detail and atmosphere.
Phil

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PeterDob
professor emeritus

Reged: 07/29/05

Loc: Carù, Italy

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: phily]
#5648492 - 01/28/13 03:30 PM

Mike, you truly are one of a kind. I simply adore your work and I repeat that I'd put it on my wall right away. Yes, yours are among the best and most realistic I've ever seen. My sincere congratulations, master.

Cheers,

Peter

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ericj
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Reged: 02/17/05

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: mike73]
#5651415 - 01/29/13 11:46 PM

Real nice sketches you have there Pete.

Best,

Eric

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Special Ed
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Reged: 05/18/03

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Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: ericj]
#5657999 - 02/02/13 11:58 AM

Mike,

I gues I missed these when I was off the forum so long in December. Your M42 is beautiful--the nebulosity is delicate and well rendered.

You've done a fine job with M1 as well. I hope you get to revisit M1 under better conditions--it really needs good transparency for the best view.

I've been waiting for the right conditions to revisit M1 myself. I sketched it back in November but since then got an O-III filter that helps to bring out the filaments if the seeing and transparency are good and the skies are dark.

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maroubra_boy
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Reged: 09/08/09

Loc: Sydney, Australia

Re: M1 and M42/43 new

[Re: Special Ed]
#5666520 - 02/07/13 06:40 AM

Mike, really, really nice, mate. You've got a wonderful control over the media to produce this type of work, and a great eye for detail.

M1 can be such an underwhelming object. To pick out so much detail, even in a 16" is brilliant. And then to faithfully lay it down is nothing less than remarkable.

M42 is the opposite to M1. Nothing BUT detail. M42 is such a task master as a result. The strength of the artist that's key here is their concentration. M42 can suck one dry from effort. Well done mate,

Alex.

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