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fvandrog
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Christmas decorations
      #5579096 - 12/19/12 02:57 PM

Need I say more....

Especially the blue flashing ones from the neighbors give interesting effects.

F.


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csa/montana
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: fvandrog]
      #5579141 - 12/19/12 03:25 PM

For the short time (for most) that Christmas decorations are up; I think being tolerant of others, to allow people to celebrate the Holiday, might be in order. I'm an avid observer, but I have some outside decorations up for the Holiday. It makes it much more cheerful. We have all the rest of the year to observe.

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StarStuff1
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5579467 - 12/19/12 07:26 PM

I wouldn't object to outside Christmas decorations for a few weeks a year. It is just those few who have to leave outside lights on nearly all the time so they feel "safer".



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CJK
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5579990 - 12/20/12 02:14 AM

Quote:

For the short time (for most) that Christmas decorations are up; I think being tolerant of others, to allow people to celebrate the Holiday, might be in order. I'm an avid observer, but I have some outside decorations up for the Holiday. It makes it much more cheerful. We have all the rest of the year to observe.






-- Chris


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Orion64
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5580019 - 12/20/12 03:30 AM

Quote:

I wouldn't object to outside Christmas decorations for a few weeks a year. It is just those few who have to leave outside lights on nearly all the time so they feel "safer".






I feel ya!!


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Mr. Bill
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: Orion64]
      #5580695 - 12/20/12 01:25 PM

I'm certainly not a Grinch (I have a couple of strings of lights up myself) but some of these displays in my area could be seen from space.

Obviously, conspicuous consumption (and energy use) now again trumps modest use of outside light decoration.



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gmartin02
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5581083 - 12/20/12 05:12 PM

Quote:

I'm certainly not a Grinch (I have a couple of strings of lights up myself) but some of these displays in my area could be seen from space.

Obviously, conspicuous consumption (and energy use) now again trumps modest use of outside light decoration.






Conspicuous is right - on my street it seems like the neighbors are having a contest to see which house can put the most outside lighting. It looks like the Disneyland Electrical Parade out there.

The US uses over 6 terawatt hours per year on Christmas lighting - enough to fully power 500,000 houses for an entire month (including HVAC systems).

I'm not a Grinch either, but this is just another example of gluttonous waste by US residents. Commerce & gluttony wins once again over prudence & moderation.


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izar187
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: gmartin02]
      #5581805 - 12/21/12 02:11 AM

I mostly observe from nearby rural sky. The Christmas lighting of some of the farms is always a seasonal treat, spread out around my horizon.

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roscoe
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: izar187]
      #5582062 - 12/21/12 08:46 AM

It's only a couple of weeks, and lights/fires at night around the Solstice is a tradition that goes back at least 3000 years, so there's little hope of slowing it down now..... and with folks switching to LED lighting, power consumption is way down, so it's not all bad.

Problem is, around here, this season brings not only holiday lighting, but the opening of the downhill ski area about 10 miles south of me.......they run about 6 billion watts of lighting all night long, both to advertise it, and to light the hill so the snowmakers/groomers can see to work. While I applaud their efforts to be carbon-neutral - they put up a big wind generator a year ago, which makes nearly as much electricity over the year as they use during the ski season, the skyglow can reach nearly the zenith, which is not so nice........
Russ


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kenrenard
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: roscoe]
      #5582236 - 12/21/12 10:29 AM

I found at least locally folks turn the Christmas lights off around 10 -11 PM. I just don't understand the spotlights that all shine up in the air to light trees year round.

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csrlice12
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: kenrenard]
      #5582307 - 12/21/12 11:24 AM

I understand the equipment aspect, but what is this "viewing" you all speak about, and what are "clear skies"?

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Mr. Bill
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5582415 - 12/21/12 12:28 PM

Quote:

I understand the equipment aspect, but what is this "viewing" you all speak about, and what are "clear skies"?




Agreed...I'm beginning to wonder if all the money I've invested in astronomy equipment is going to pay off in being able to use it.

Besides the issue of light pollution, there is the effect of climate change on clear skies.



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GeneT
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5591708 - 12/27/12 07:47 PM

Quote:

For the short time (for most) that Christmas decorations are up; I think being tolerant of others, to allow people to celebrate the Holiday, might be in order. I'm an avid observer, but I have some outside decorations up for the Holiday. It makes it much more cheerful. We have all the rest of the year to observe.




Home run!


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faackanders2
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5593152 - 12/28/12 07:05 PM

Quote:

I wouldn't object to outside Christmas decorations for a few weeks a year. It is just those few who have to leave outside lights on nearly all the time so they feel "safer".






Don't observe much between Thanksgiving and XMAS because of the lights; but it does make the family and community more cheerful. I only ask the neighbors to turn off their lights the rest of the year when I am out observing (normally first asking them if they would like to join me).


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evil16v
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: GeneT]
      #5593897 - 12/29/12 08:21 AM

Quote:

Quote:

For the short time (for most) that Christmas decorations are up; I think being tolerant of others, to allow people to celebrate the Holiday, might be in order. I'm an avid observer, but I have some outside decorations up for the Holiday. It makes it much more cheerful. We have all the rest of the year to observe.




Home run!





I'll go X3 on that.


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Dr Morbius
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Re: Christmas decorations new [Re: evil16v]
      #5594622 - 12/29/12 03:34 PM

Bah .....Humbug!

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