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Petrus351
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C14 mount
      #5591452 - 12/27/12 04:38 PM

Hello everyone:
Iīm thinking on buying a C14 only for planetary imaging and visual (not Deep Sky imaging), but I have some doubts about mounts. I have a house about 130 miles away from my usual home location, and my intention is to transport it at least once a month, because seeing is usually very good there. I was thiking about a Losmandy G11 with Gemini 2 goto, or CGE-PRO, but I find the latter one to be very tall, and Iīm not sure, if Iīm going to be able to place the ota on the mount. My salesman, says that the G11 is not sturdy enough for the C14, even for planetary imaging.
Aside from this, a friend of mine says that that Gemini 2 goto sytem, doesnīt work correctly.
I would like to listen to tour opinions, please.


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skybsd
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Petrus351]
      #5591509 - 12/27/12 05:26 PM

Hello,
You may want state your budget to assist folks who may wish to offer appropriate guidance..,

Best..,

Regards,

skybsd


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rmollise
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: skybsd]
      #5591518 - 12/27/12 05:32 PM

The answer is that the G11 will be fine for planetary imaging--on a calm night. On a windy evening at high magnification with a big sail of a dewshield on? Uh-uh. People have done good work, both on the planets and the deep sky with the 14 - G11 combo, but it will have some limitations.

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Petrus351
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: rmollise]
      #5591533 - 12/27/12 05:44 PM

Thank you for your responses. Iīm thinking on buying the CGE-PRO, but I would like to know, if itīs very tall?

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skybsd
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Petrus351]
      #5591541 - 12/27/12 05:52 PM

Quote:

Thank you for your responses. Iīm thinking on buying the CGE-PRO, but I would like to know, if itīs very tall?




This has been asked a few times here on CN - for example.., See Post-4 for an illustration that provides some perspective..,

Regards,

skybsd


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ZRX-Steve
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: skybsd]
      #5591646 - 12/27/12 07:17 PM

Gnowellsct has a method of easily mounting the C14. I wouldn't be worried about it's size and weight at all. Here's a link to his youtube C14 mounting video.

Link to GNowellsct C14 Mounting Video

I'd go with a new CGE Pro. I'd be wary of the older used CGE Pro's. The newer ones have spring loaded worms with very low PE. Some of the early ones were suspect.


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A. Viegas
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: ZRX-Steve]
      #5591674 - 12/27/12 07:31 PM

What about the CGEM DX ? If all you are doing is visual, this mount seems capable of handling the C14. The benefit of the CGEM DX is not its not as heavy as the CGE Pro and its $2000 less also. I think you could probably put a Mallincam on the C14 or a planetary camera and get reasonably good use of the greater aperture. However, transporting the C14 and any of the already mentioned mounts is going to be a challenge, if you can why not set up something more permanent up at your remove viewing site... at the very least you could leave the tripod or a pier assuming you own the land.

Cheers,
Al


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rmollise
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Petrus351]
      #5592290 - 12/28/12 08:50 AM

Quote:

Thank you for your responses. Iīm thinking on buying the CGE-PRO, but I would like to know, if itīs very tall?




Yes, it is quite tall. It's possible Greg N's system, which other posters have mentioned would still work, though.


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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Petrus351]
      #5592328 - 12/28/12 09:18 AM

It is quite tall...I have one and in fact 3 NBA teams have inquired about it's availability.

Quote:

Thank you for your responses. Iīm thinking on buying the CGE-PRO, but I would like to know, if itīs very tall?




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Dixie
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Sunspot]
      #5593000 - 12/28/12 05:32 PM

I do planetary with a C14 on a CGE (old version) and it's fine. I think Damian Peach (world class planetary imager ) used (uses) a G11. The CGE Pro is way too tall for me. Perhaps the EQ8 is the answer when it is launched in March 2013.

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Geo.
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Dixie]
      #5594481 - 12/29/12 01:56 PM

Poke around, there is a fix for the Meade Giant tripod that involved shortening the legs.

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Dixie
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Geo.]
      #5594743 - 12/29/12 05:17 PM

Can anyone enlighten me as to why Celestron made the CGE Pro tripod so tall at its lowest setting? Fine for refractor owners, but SCTS/Newts?????
Rich


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dobsoscope
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Dixie]
      #5595508 - 12/30/12 02:57 AM

AFAIK Peach uses the predecessor of the CGE, the CI-700 mount which is basically a hybridised clone of the G11.

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I do planetary with a C14 on a CGE (old version) and it's fine. I think Damian Peach (world class planetary imager ) used (uses) a G11. The CGE Pro is way too tall for me. Perhaps the EQ8 is the answer when it is launched in March 2013.




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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Petrus351]
      #5595524 - 12/30/12 03:29 AM

Can you get a cge pro head only and then put it on a losmandy tripod? The losmandy tripod seems to be shorter.

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Petrus351
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: andysea]
      #5595604 - 12/30/12 06:05 AM

Tank you very much for your advises. I like the G11, because I donīt find it to be very bulky, while CGE PRO seems to be larger, isnīt it?
I have several mono and color cameras, as Iīve been doing planetary imaging for some years now. I usually do it, with a C9.25, that is a very good scope, but I want those extra inchs of aperture, in order to get better pictures.
Yes, the scope is only one of the limiting factors, being seeing the most important one. I remember Damianīs Saturn pictures, taken in Barbados with a C9.25 like mine. Yes, he uses a C14 now, and you can notice the difference.

Edited by Petrus351 (12/30/12 06:21 AM)


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HCR32
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: Petrus351]
      #5595637 - 12/30/12 07:23 AM

If the OTA is an old orange tube well forget the G11 option these ota are about 10kg heavier than the ones you buy today. Personally I would save my money for a serious mount that will accommidate any future upgrades.

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andysea
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: HCR32]
      #5596015 - 12/30/12 12:04 PM

I bet that my njp can carry that. Those can be had used for a good price.

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orlyandico
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: andysea]
      #5596133 - 12/30/12 01:01 PM

"good" = $4K at best, $4.5K to $5K more realistically.

a new CGE Pro is $5K and carries (a bit) more than the NJP.... but it weighs a good deal more.

i think a used CGE would be able to handle a C14.. for $2K.


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Petrus351
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: HCR32]
      #5596564 - 12/30/12 04:59 PM

Quote:

If the OTA is an old orange tube well forget the G11 option these ota are about 10kg heavier than the ones you buy today. Personally I would save my money for a serious mount that will accommidate any future upgrades.



Itīs not a matter of money, but about CGE-PRO being too tall and bulky. I find G11 to be very low in itīs own tripod, and very easy to transport ŋAre there any other options?

Edited by Petrus351 (12/30/12 05:01 PM)


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Petrus351
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Re: C14 mount new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5596567 - 12/30/12 05:00 PM

Quote:

"good" = $4K at best, $4.5K to $5K more realistically.

a new CGE Pro is $5K and carries (a bit) more than the NJP.... but it weighs a good deal more.



i think a used CGE would be able to handle a C14.. for $2K.



But, is the older CGE still available in the market? Only second hand, I gess. Why The Hell, should a mount be designed as tall, as CGE PRO is?

Edited by Petrus351 (12/30/12 05:04 PM)


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