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Turf1
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614052 - 01/09/13 04:40 PM

Kudos to your wife, I hate shopping as well. She did good!

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Turf1
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614056 - 01/09/13 04:42 PM

Kudos to your wife, I hate shopping. She did good!:)

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5614160 - 01/09/13 05:50 PM

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I received a phone call from wife yesterday while she was doing her weekly dose of bargain shopping ( I hate shopping, its an addition for her ).




I understand brother! But, congratulations on her finding you a nice telescope at a great price. My wife also lives to shop. However, she rarely spends any money--unless the item is truly marked down. I am very happy that she never makes me go shopping with her.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Turf1]
      #5614161 - 01/09/13 05:51 PM



What a very considerate woman!

My wife would have told AFTER coming home, and as an afterthought.


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Starhunter249
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Shano592]
      #5614420 - 01/09/13 08:02 PM

Thanks, I shared your comments with my wife and she blushed a little. She knows too well that I am an astronomy addict and wanted to make me happy. She did that for $22.50.

The weather is better tonight but still very poor. I have a good layer of haze in the sky and clouds will soon completely obscure the sky. I briefly looked at Jupiter, quick hop over to the Pleiades, and then to the eastern horizon in Orion where lies M42. Despite the haze, Jupiter was fairly sharp. I could easily see 2 bands and three moons. Io is in Jupiter's backside at the moment. I took the scope from 35x to 100x. Things seem to be difficult at 100x due to the haze but I could see a third band on jupiter. If the weather was clear, I think jupiter would stand out much better with more detail in this little scope. Jupiter is pleasantly viewable in the 60mm F11 scope where the 80mm F4.4 Goscope, jupiter is a wash of chromatic aberration. The Pleiades nearly can be completely capture at 35x. I could not see any of the other dimmer stars in that cluster. I suspect its more haze than the limitations of the small aperture. The same can be said of the Orion Nebula as well. I could barely detect the trapzium and the nebula was invisible. Victim to haze. I need a clear night to do a decent DSO comparison. More aperture I suspect will win at the wide field views in the 80mm Go Scope. The eyepieces I used are the ones that come with 80mm goscope, the 10 and 20mm kellners. I used a 7mm TMB planetary to achieve 100x. I have another week of *BLEEP* weather to look forward too according to NOAA. Clear Skies, mine aren't.


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newtoskies
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5614435 - 01/09/13 08:10 PM

Nice report on the new scope, or used scope.

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Dennis_S253
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614497 - 01/09/13 09:00 PM

dang Starhunter249, do you live in Fl.? Sounds like you just described my night here.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5614554 - 01/09/13 09:41 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

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Anyways, if you are a beginner looking to get into the hobby and on a very limited budget, I guess its good idea to check out the local good wills and salvation army stores. You may be surprised what might end up there.



You are quite correct for someone on an extremely limited budget,as one never knows what will turn up. At my local ARC store,I found this 70mm F/10 "Walmart special". It was missing the diagonal and eyepieces. The prices in this store are non-negociable but the $10.00 I paid for it was still well worth for me. I had a spare 1.25 inch diagonal and used my existing eyepieces. Optically,this is a pretty decent telescope and if it means getting a foot into the door and at least a start into this hobby until more funds for an upgraded setup are obtained,IME it is certainly better than no telescope at all.

I own other telescopes but have kept this one because it's extremely easy to take outdoors on the spur of the moment. Unlike the numerous small telescope setups I've rescued from these thrift type stores over the years and have given away to the neighborhood children, and adults as well,this one will stay in my possession. I now have it mounted on a wooden tripod.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614770 - 01/10/13 12:33 AM

I,ll have too check my local Goodwill store!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: JamesL]
      #5615939 - 01/10/13 05:42 PM

At least 7 or 8 times a year I will visit local GoodWills and other similar stores. I used to leave a card and say if any telescopes or binoculars come in then call me. Never got a call. So now, sporadic visits. But occasionally something useful shows up. Usually a toy for the grandkids, though. So, not a total loss.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Shano592]
      #5616094 - 01/10/13 07:23 PM

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What a very considerate woman!

My wife would have told AFTER coming home, and as an afterthought.




This happened to me a few weeks ago. The wife told me about a scope she saw at Goodwill nearly a week later lol. Of course it wasn't there when I went by to check it out. Oh well. She knows the drill now. Not expecting to find anything great, but something cheap to tinker with would be fun even if it were just a little fix up to maybe gift to a kid to get another one hooked.

Also been perusing the Goodwills and thrift stores for an observing chair. I want an adjustable height stool, kinda like a drummer's stool, but don't want to pay full price for one.


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Starhunter249
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: drbyyz]
      #5616249 - 01/10/13 08:50 PM Attachment (11 downloads)

Oh, here is a picture of the little 60mm refractor next to my 8 inch dob.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5616277 - 01/10/13 09:12 PM

Goodwill employees,at least in the stores I know,are not allowed to buy anything at their own store.Perhaps they are also not supposed to call "preferred" customers ;it does seem a little like "cheating" versus just happening to find something when you actually stop in.
I do note that nice furniture has a way of being snapped up by the truckload first thing in the morning ,apparently by local landlords.

And you should see the people absolutely swarming the bins on store opening ,grabbing pair after pair of shoes.One man said he was buying shoes for all his relatives further South.

Telescopes are of little interest to many Goodwill shoppers which is how very nice ones found their way to my home.Just realize it most likely will be missing some part(s).

Can we equate finding the unexpected NICE scope in a thrift store with finding a comet ? Because it can take about the same number of hours searching !!!!


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Starhunter249
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: BigC]
      #5623495 - 01/14/13 09:55 PM

Well, I finally had a couple nights of clear skies. Cold, very cold nights I might add. I couldn't spend no more than an hour outside before it became unbearable. I went back and looked at the moon, jupiter, and M42. First I looked at the moon. The image did not seem as sharp as the 80mm. Focusing on the crescent moon seemed a chore to find that fine point of an image. I constantly went back and forth constantly unhappy with the view, hoping I could find the right focus. The 80mm, which changes the position of the objective lens, was easy to focus and the image of the moon much sharper. Jupiter without the haze of the other night, was was brighter as expected, but also display some chromatic aberration that I did not see before. Its not bad, no where near as bad as the 80mm. I could still see 3 bands on jupiter and hints of small festoon like spots. The orion nebula in the 60mm looks like a hazy patch and I can detect 3 stars in the trapezium. In the 80mm, the nebula is much brighter, sharper, more defined and I can see all 4 stars.

My biggest complaint is the stiff rack and pinion focuser. The mount and telescope vibrate when adjusting the focus. Constant battle between focus, wait for the image to stop shimmering, focus again, wait, focus, wait. I was never happy with the focus on the moon and jupiter. I constantly felt like I was slightly out of focus no matter how hard I tried to sharpen the image.

In the end, I could not recommend this 60mm scope as a starter for a beginner. The views are quite limited, which was expected. The focuser is difficult to use. Many aspiring astronomers would be turned off by its narrow field and dimmed views. It certainly gives me a new appreciation for my 8 inch reflector and how spoiled I am by larger aperture. I was surprised by how much a difference in brightness between the 80mm and the 60mm. I would think they would be closer, but when you do the math, the 80mm has 77 percent more light gathering area than the 60mm. Its very apparent. I spend $22.50 and do not feel bad about it at all. It works better on planets than the 80mm for the time being as a grab and go.

As a future winter grab and go, I am eying the celestron 4SE. It is small, portable, has more light gathering power than my current grab and gos, and less cool down time than my 8inch. The one thing I don't need is the Goto computer. When its so cold outside, batteries lose capacity very quickly, even at full charge. So if I can find the Optical tube and a sturdy mount for the right price I might go that route.

Spring can not come soon enough.

Clear Skies


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5623539 - 01/14/13 10:16 PM

Thrift stores aren't the only place to find bargains. Some years ago, I was in my local WM and found an entire display of Celestron beginner refractors. Less than $20 for a 70mm scope, tripod, diagonal, erecting prism, 10mm and 25mm eyepieces, webcam with software, Starry Night beginner version and a 6-month free subscription to Astronomy.

I bought three of them, sold one, used one as a guide scope and am holding the last one for another two years when it will be an 8th birthday present for a grandchild.

The Astronomy subscription was worth around $16 and there's no way you'll find a 640x480 webcam set up in a 1.25" eyepiece shell for less than $20. The package is one of the best bargains I've ever seen.

Phil


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Phil Sherman]
      #5623960 - 01/15/13 08:14 AM

Stopped in a Goodwill yesterday. There was the 11mm newt on an EQ1 mount....walked over---$124. I had to look a second time......yep, $124 (you could almost buy it new for that). Seems Goodwill in Denver has decided telescopes aren't toys and should command high prices......

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5623978 - 01/15/13 08:29 AM

Well an 11mm newt should be priced way lower than that!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5624016 - 01/15/13 08:57 AM

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In the end, I could not recommend this 60mm scope as a starter for a beginner. The views are quite limited, which was expected. The focuser is difficult to use. Many aspiring astronomers would be turned off by its narrow field and dimmed views




The typical 60mm F/11 Department store refractor is not a scope that I recommend as a first scope, there are certainly better scopes for the beginner.

On the other hand, many of us started with a 60mm refractor, I did. At the time, raising three boys, just starting a new career, $5 for a worn out 60mm refractor was about all I could afford. It was covered with dirt and grime, the mount was missing important parts so I used bungee cords to mount it to a worn out photo tripod... it wasn't much but it was enough... Early one morning out on the Arizona desert, I stumbled upon the Orion Nebula and I was hooked, I had to have more.

So while not the ideal scope, in my view, it is a scope that will light the spark if there is kindling.... If there is no kindling, no scope can light the spark. If that first ever view of Saturn or the moon or M42 in a 60mm scope doesn't exite you, it's probably not the hobby for you.

These days, I have much better equipment but the actual experience is same. Finding a faint galaxy in a 25 inch scope is not much different from finding a faint fuzzy in a 60mm scope, there are just more of them to find. I am glad that I can enjoy my "$40 at Walmart" PowerSeeker 70, I bought it a few years ago, fixed it up, invested $6 in wood and bolts and an hour of my time to build a better tripod. I think it does me good to go back and remember where I started and recognize that there are people out there observing with and enjoying scopes like the Powerseeker 70..

Jon


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5624027 - 01/15/13 09:06 AM

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Well an 11mm newt should be priced way lower than that!





I was thinking the same.

I would have asked the manager if they were serious about that price, or asked when it would be marked down. I think they go buy a color code thing where after a few weeks they are at 50% of. That's what happened when I went back to a Goodwill store to grab a scope. Person at the register said it sat for two or three weeks then was marked half off...sold for $10. I believe it was a 114 - 127mm reflector... Buschnell or intfinity ??

Thanks for the first light on the 60mm BTW.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5624035 - 01/15/13 09:13 AM

Yep, meant 114mm. Although Jack Eastman did show me his 0.5" Celestron Reflector telescope he has. It was made from one of the original Celestron Reflectors. It even had it's own alt/az mount!

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