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Starhunter249
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Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will.
      #5612735 - 01/08/13 09:12 PM

I received a phone call from wife yesterday while she was doing her weekly dose of bargain shopping ( I hate shopping, its an addition for her ). She tells me she found a little telescope at Good will. I didn't get excited because I was expecting it to be one of those cheap department store telescopes. I ask her a few questions and she tells me its a 60mm and 700mm. I try to explain principles of the objective lens and focal length. She didn't know what I was talking about, sounds all greek to her. I tell her to forget about it, I asked one more question, "who made it"? She said Orion. I went "wow, really?" She said it was discounted down to $22.50, only things are missing are the two included eyepieces. I tell her to buy it. That's a bargain. I have plenty of eyepieces and Orion makes small scopes for 1.25" eyepieces.

She brings it home and I put it all together. Its almost in new condition other than the right angle diagonal has deep scratches where the locking screw of the rack and pinion focuser taps down onto. Other than that, its appears to be alright. The mount is very light weight and the whole thing is very easy to move together. Seems to be stable enough against light wind.

This going to be my new grab and go for quick planetary and bright DSOs. I have not been able to star test it yet, cloudy nights forever here in central Illinois. I don't expect it to put up images like my 8 inch reflector but it will be better than those cheap .965 Tasco department store rip offs. I do have the 80mm table top refractor to compare to. Which is great grab and go for DSO and wide field, sucks on planets, too much chromatic aberration at higher magnifications. I am itching for some clear skies.

Anyways, if you are a beginner looking to get into the hobby and on a very limited budget, I guess its good idea to check out the local good wills and salvation army stores. You may be surprised what might end up there.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5612741 - 01/08/13 09:17 PM

Nice find! And thoughtful wife!

-- Chris


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5612799 - 01/08/13 10:06 PM

What if it had been a tasco? The quality could have been as good. Simply because its branded as orion is no reason to go "wow" about. Orion dosnt manufacture inhouse and the products it sells are sourced from various manufacturers in china and often sell the products at much higher prices than others.

Clear Skies!


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: CosmoSat]
      #5612831 - 01/08/13 10:26 PM

wow very cool find. Beats the accessory case I found...lol
I had seen a scope at a good will in mid summer, don't know what brand. It was 5" reflector. When I went back a week later it had sold the day before for $10...argh


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5613010 - 01/09/13 12:44 AM

oh man, unless it cost 600 you wasted your money. or was that 6000. I've had my eye on a late 1960's or early 70's sears model refractor. They'll laugh about that also.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5613028 - 01/09/13 12:58 AM

Looks like your wife wants you to stay up a bit more. . No really, very thoughtful of her and at that price, definitely a bargain.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Dennis_S253]
      #5613035 - 01/09/13 01:04 AM

!! Also try pawn shopps - maybe you can rescue an all glass doublet with all the original parts plus documentation. I Did That !!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5613067 - 01/09/13 01:49 AM

Half my scopes came from Goodwill including a Orion Starblast and Meade DS90 and DS102 and DS114 with Audiostar and Ds2130 in the $50 range ,and,and a bunch of others for %5 to $10.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: BigC]
      #5613077 - 01/09/13 02:01 AM

Awesome story! And yeah, very thoughtful wife. Hope the scope rocks.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: CosmoSat]
      #5613114 - 01/09/13 03:41 AM

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What if it had been a tasco? The quality could have been as good. Simply because its branded as orion is no reason to go "wow" about. Orion dosnt manufacture inhouse and the products it sells are sourced from various manufacturers in china and often sell the products at much higher prices than others.

Clear Skies!




Say what you will about Orion but for the most part they unlike many other brands out today at least make sure they put out usable decent products even in their low end stuff. the same cannot be said for celestron and tasco to name a few.

to date i've only ended up owning orion's simply because there is so many out there in my area probably due to them being a local company at least in part. i have not owned a GSO made scope before but did use a meade lightbridge for the past month (club scope) and besides the focuser i found it sub par to any of the orion's i've owned in build quality elsewhere and i've now gone through the gamut of dob's from orion. first an XT6, it didnt last long and was the most i paid for a scope, a used XT8 came up on craigslist for 200 so i jumped on it and sold off the 6 for 160 on CL. good 40 dollar upgrade. more recently in the past few weeks a good friend snagged an old XT10 Deluxe in near new condition from orion direct locally for less than 200. he runs our loaner program and likes the XT8's for loaning out to new people to astronomy so i did a trade my 8 for the 10 plus a bit extra (work on his Z10's bearing system mainly) so yet another cheap upgrade.

every single orion dob i've owned has had good optics and functioned perfectly. with minor mods needed to any commercial dob, mainly the bearing surfaces they are great scopes. the GSO made 12" Lightbridge while not a bad scope was flawed in its own design by the mirror cell. this is a very important part of a large Newtonian. i fixed much of its problems by replacing the collimation springs with longer stiffer ones from the hardware store but i was not about to go and replace its original mirror cell that was also a problem because the triangle pads the mirror sat on were too flimsy to support the weight of the mirror. the result is it still does not hold perfect collimation when used, best one can do is collimate it at a 45-55 degree angle so its likely well in collimation with most targets but not all. the bearing surfaces are another story. az was way too smooth due to ball bearings, it would spin like a top if you wished to do so with it and the Alt was the complete opposite and just completely sucked because you had to crank down a friction brake to keep it balanced with any decent eyepieces along with a 8x50 finder scope. my XT10 Deluxe that had a 2" rack an pinion focuser at least had a better stock bearing system and mirror cell, those are important things on a scope. focusers are easily changed out. mirror cells not so much..


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: frito]
      #5613160 - 01/09/13 05:37 AM



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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: frito]
      #5613219 - 01/09/13 07:40 AM

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Say what you will about Orion but for the most part they unlike many other brands out today at least make sure they put out usable decent products even in their low end stuff. the same cannot be said for celestron and tasco to name a few.




It is true that Orion is careful not to sell telescopes with 0.965 inch focusers and Hugyens eyepieces, I think they do a good job of making sure their inexpensive telescopes have at least Kellner eyepieces and a 1.25 inch focusers where as Celestron and Tasco do not.

Beyond that, one has to take it on a case by case basis. For example, the Celestron CG-5 ASGT is certainly a better mount than the Orion SkyView Pro GOTO and yet the Celestron costs about $60 less. I have owned both Orion and GSO Dobs, I prefer the GSOs... I have owned a 10 inch GSO for 10 years... it's a keeper.

But this all really off topic. The Orion GOscope for $22.50 is a real bargain and should provide some wonderful fun. Starhunter249 should give his wife a big hug and take her out to dinner.



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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5613370 - 01/09/13 09:20 AM

The night of the bargains.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: lamplight]
      #5613390 - 01/09/13 09:30 AM

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The night of the bargains.




I have gotten a few bargains but never a scope at a thrift store.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5613448 - 01/09/13 10:20 AM

I've so far found two stools, one metal with plastic seat that stays outside, and one fold up bar stool with padded seat. Now I have a case for all my ep's. Will keep an eye out for a cheap scope to have just for quick views or if the missus wants to view too.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5613586 - 01/09/13 11:54 AM

My last two trips to Goodwill have resulted in a Jason 319 for $6.95 that I think removing the Barlow from the drawtube will make a cute little finder/guidescope.
And my last trip I found a Tasco red tube 44-T for $9.95 that was just to cute to leave behind, This might go to one of the neighbor's boys because he wants a scope that he can watch the deer out in the field with.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Al8236]
      #5613608 - 01/09/13 12:10 PM

someone's been trying to sell this small refractor kind of locally for a long time but i dont think im qualified to determine if its a good deal. the tripod looks nice and it looks all metal.

http://westernmass.craigslist.org/for/3485261554.html


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: lamplight]
      #5613673 - 01/09/13 12:49 PM

Looks like the mount on my Aerolite 859. Not worth $100, but depending what parts are missing, maybe $35.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: btb]
      #5613716 - 01/09/13 01:16 PM

I'm going down to the Salvation Army store in the morning. Now. LOL. Good luck with the new toy.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jammer53]
      #5614043 - 01/09/13 04:34 PM

Matt I see a lot of small refractors on CL in my area. Was thinking of just snatching up a cheap one for $30 or so just to have around.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614052 - 01/09/13 04:40 PM

Kudos to your wife, I hate shopping as well. She did good!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614056 - 01/09/13 04:42 PM

Kudos to your wife, I hate shopping. She did good!:)

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5614160 - 01/09/13 05:50 PM

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I received a phone call from wife yesterday while she was doing her weekly dose of bargain shopping ( I hate shopping, its an addition for her ).




I understand brother! But, congratulations on her finding you a nice telescope at a great price. My wife also lives to shop. However, she rarely spends any money--unless the item is truly marked down. I am very happy that she never makes me go shopping with her.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Turf1]
      #5614161 - 01/09/13 05:51 PM



What a very considerate woman!

My wife would have told AFTER coming home, and as an afterthought.


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Starhunter249
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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Shano592]
      #5614420 - 01/09/13 08:02 PM

Thanks, I shared your comments with my wife and she blushed a little. She knows too well that I am an astronomy addict and wanted to make me happy. She did that for $22.50.

The weather is better tonight but still very poor. I have a good layer of haze in the sky and clouds will soon completely obscure the sky. I briefly looked at Jupiter, quick hop over to the Pleiades, and then to the eastern horizon in Orion where lies M42. Despite the haze, Jupiter was fairly sharp. I could easily see 2 bands and three moons. Io is in Jupiter's backside at the moment. I took the scope from 35x to 100x. Things seem to be difficult at 100x due to the haze but I could see a third band on jupiter. If the weather was clear, I think jupiter would stand out much better with more detail in this little scope. Jupiter is pleasantly viewable in the 60mm F11 scope where the 80mm F4.4 Goscope, jupiter is a wash of chromatic aberration. The Pleiades nearly can be completely capture at 35x. I could not see any of the other dimmer stars in that cluster. I suspect its more haze than the limitations of the small aperture. The same can be said of the Orion Nebula as well. I could barely detect the trapzium and the nebula was invisible. Victim to haze. I need a clear night to do a decent DSO comparison. More aperture I suspect will win at the wide field views in the 80mm Go Scope. The eyepieces I used are the ones that come with 80mm goscope, the 10 and 20mm kellners. I used a 7mm TMB planetary to achieve 100x. I have another week of *BLEEP* weather to look forward too according to NOAA. Clear Skies, mine aren't.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5614435 - 01/09/13 08:10 PM

Nice report on the new scope, or used scope.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614497 - 01/09/13 09:00 PM

dang Starhunter249, do you live in Fl.? Sounds like you just described my night here.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5614554 - 01/09/13 09:41 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

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Anyways, if you are a beginner looking to get into the hobby and on a very limited budget, I guess its good idea to check out the local good wills and salvation army stores. You may be surprised what might end up there.



You are quite correct for someone on an extremely limited budget,as one never knows what will turn up. At my local ARC store,I found this 70mm F/10 "Walmart special". It was missing the diagonal and eyepieces. The prices in this store are non-negociable but the $10.00 I paid for it was still well worth for me. I had a spare 1.25 inch diagonal and used my existing eyepieces. Optically,this is a pretty decent telescope and if it means getting a foot into the door and at least a start into this hobby until more funds for an upgraded setup are obtained,IME it is certainly better than no telescope at all.

I own other telescopes but have kept this one because it's extremely easy to take outdoors on the spur of the moment. Unlike the numerous small telescope setups I've rescued from these thrift type stores over the years and have given away to the neighborhood children, and adults as well,this one will stay in my possession. I now have it mounted on a wooden tripod.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5614770 - 01/10/13 12:33 AM

I,ll have too check my local Goodwill store!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: JamesL]
      #5615939 - 01/10/13 05:42 PM

At least 7 or 8 times a year I will visit local GoodWills and other similar stores. I used to leave a card and say if any telescopes or binoculars come in then call me. Never got a call. So now, sporadic visits. But occasionally something useful shows up. Usually a toy for the grandkids, though. So, not a total loss.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Shano592]
      #5616094 - 01/10/13 07:23 PM

Quote:



What a very considerate woman!

My wife would have told AFTER coming home, and as an afterthought.




This happened to me a few weeks ago. The wife told me about a scope she saw at Goodwill nearly a week later lol. Of course it wasn't there when I went by to check it out. Oh well. She knows the drill now. Not expecting to find anything great, but something cheap to tinker with would be fun even if it were just a little fix up to maybe gift to a kid to get another one hooked.

Also been perusing the Goodwills and thrift stores for an observing chair. I want an adjustable height stool, kinda like a drummer's stool, but don't want to pay full price for one.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: drbyyz]
      #5616249 - 01/10/13 08:50 PM Attachment (11 downloads)

Oh, here is a picture of the little 60mm refractor next to my 8 inch dob.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5616277 - 01/10/13 09:12 PM

Goodwill employees,at least in the stores I know,are not allowed to buy anything at their own store.Perhaps they are also not supposed to call "preferred" customers ;it does seem a little like "cheating" versus just happening to find something when you actually stop in.
I do note that nice furniture has a way of being snapped up by the truckload first thing in the morning ,apparently by local landlords.

And you should see the people absolutely swarming the bins on store opening ,grabbing pair after pair of shoes.One man said he was buying shoes for all his relatives further South.

Telescopes are of little interest to many Goodwill shoppers which is how very nice ones found their way to my home.Just realize it most likely will be missing some part(s).

Can we equate finding the unexpected NICE scope in a thrift store with finding a comet ? Because it can take about the same number of hours searching !!!!


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: BigC]
      #5623495 - 01/14/13 09:55 PM

Well, I finally had a couple nights of clear skies. Cold, very cold nights I might add. I couldn't spend no more than an hour outside before it became unbearable. I went back and looked at the moon, jupiter, and M42. First I looked at the moon. The image did not seem as sharp as the 80mm. Focusing on the crescent moon seemed a chore to find that fine point of an image. I constantly went back and forth constantly unhappy with the view, hoping I could find the right focus. The 80mm, which changes the position of the objective lens, was easy to focus and the image of the moon much sharper. Jupiter without the haze of the other night, was was brighter as expected, but also display some chromatic aberration that I did not see before. Its not bad, no where near as bad as the 80mm. I could still see 3 bands on jupiter and hints of small festoon like spots. The orion nebula in the 60mm looks like a hazy patch and I can detect 3 stars in the trapezium. In the 80mm, the nebula is much brighter, sharper, more defined and I can see all 4 stars.

My biggest complaint is the stiff rack and pinion focuser. The mount and telescope vibrate when adjusting the focus. Constant battle between focus, wait for the image to stop shimmering, focus again, wait, focus, wait. I was never happy with the focus on the moon and jupiter. I constantly felt like I was slightly out of focus no matter how hard I tried to sharpen the image.

In the end, I could not recommend this 60mm scope as a starter for a beginner. The views are quite limited, which was expected. The focuser is difficult to use. Many aspiring astronomers would be turned off by its narrow field and dimmed views. It certainly gives me a new appreciation for my 8 inch reflector and how spoiled I am by larger aperture. I was surprised by how much a difference in brightness between the 80mm and the 60mm. I would think they would be closer, but when you do the math, the 80mm has 77 percent more light gathering area than the 60mm. Its very apparent. I spend $22.50 and do not feel bad about it at all. It works better on planets than the 80mm for the time being as a grab and go.

As a future winter grab and go, I am eying the celestron 4SE. It is small, portable, has more light gathering power than my current grab and gos, and less cool down time than my 8inch. The one thing I don't need is the Goto computer. When its so cold outside, batteries lose capacity very quickly, even at full charge. So if I can find the Optical tube and a sturdy mount for the right price I might go that route.

Spring can not come soon enough.

Clear Skies


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5623539 - 01/14/13 10:16 PM

Thrift stores aren't the only place to find bargains. Some years ago, I was in my local WM and found an entire display of Celestron beginner refractors. Less than $20 for a 70mm scope, tripod, diagonal, erecting prism, 10mm and 25mm eyepieces, webcam with software, Starry Night beginner version and a 6-month free subscription to Astronomy.

I bought three of them, sold one, used one as a guide scope and am holding the last one for another two years when it will be an 8th birthday present for a grandchild.

The Astronomy subscription was worth around $16 and there's no way you'll find a 640x480 webcam set up in a 1.25" eyepiece shell for less than $20. The package is one of the best bargains I've ever seen.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Phil Sherman]
      #5623960 - 01/15/13 08:14 AM

Stopped in a Goodwill yesterday. There was the 11mm newt on an EQ1 mount....walked over---$124. I had to look a second time......yep, $124 (you could almost buy it new for that). Seems Goodwill in Denver has decided telescopes aren't toys and should command high prices......

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5623978 - 01/15/13 08:29 AM

Well an 11mm newt should be priced way lower than that!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #5624016 - 01/15/13 08:57 AM

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In the end, I could not recommend this 60mm scope as a starter for a beginner. The views are quite limited, which was expected. The focuser is difficult to use. Many aspiring astronomers would be turned off by its narrow field and dimmed views




The typical 60mm F/11 Department store refractor is not a scope that I recommend as a first scope, there are certainly better scopes for the beginner.

On the other hand, many of us started with a 60mm refractor, I did. At the time, raising three boys, just starting a new career, $5 for a worn out 60mm refractor was about all I could afford. It was covered with dirt and grime, the mount was missing important parts so I used bungee cords to mount it to a worn out photo tripod... it wasn't much but it was enough... Early one morning out on the Arizona desert, I stumbled upon the Orion Nebula and I was hooked, I had to have more.

So while not the ideal scope, in my view, it is a scope that will light the spark if there is kindling.... If there is no kindling, no scope can light the spark. If that first ever view of Saturn or the moon or M42 in a 60mm scope doesn't exite you, it's probably not the hobby for you.

These days, I have much better equipment but the actual experience is same. Finding a faint galaxy in a 25 inch scope is not much different from finding a faint fuzzy in a 60mm scope, there are just more of them to find. I am glad that I can enjoy my "$40 at Walmart" PowerSeeker 70, I bought it a few years ago, fixed it up, invested $6 in wood and bolts and an hour of my time to build a better tripod. I think it does me good to go back and remember where I started and recognize that there are people out there observing with and enjoying scopes like the Powerseeker 70..

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5624027 - 01/15/13 09:06 AM

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Well an 11mm newt should be priced way lower than that!





I was thinking the same.

I would have asked the manager if they were serious about that price, or asked when it would be marked down. I think they go buy a color code thing where after a few weeks they are at 50% of. That's what happened when I went back to a Goodwill store to grab a scope. Person at the register said it sat for two or three weeks then was marked half off...sold for $10. I believe it was a 114 - 127mm reflector... Buschnell or intfinity ??

Thanks for the first light on the 60mm BTW.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5624035 - 01/15/13 09:13 AM

Yep, meant 114mm. Although Jack Eastman did show me his 0.5" Celestron Reflector telescope he has. It was made from one of the original Celestron Reflectors. It even had it's own alt/az mount!

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5624044 - 01/15/13 09:22 AM

The Pleiades looks fantastic through my 60mm and the moon isn't half bad. But that's about it. I agree that a 60mm might discourage some beginners. It's what hooked me, though.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Dave74]
      #5624289 - 01/15/13 12:12 PM

A 60mm with good glass and good eyepieces can do much more than just the Moon and Pleiades;today's amateurs are no doubt spoiled by the great scopes avasilable and also have huge expectations because of Hubble images .

It is amazing how much you can see with a small scope from a dark location once your eyes have had over an hour to adapt.The view in a 60mm 10 minutes after leaving the living room is nothing compared to an hour later.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: BigC]
      #5624661 - 01/15/13 03:38 PM

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A 60mm with good glass and good eyepieces can do much more than just the Moon and Pleiades;today's amateurs are no doubt spoiled by the great scopes avasilable and also have huge expectations because of Hubble images .

It is amazing how much you can see with a small scope from a dark location once your eyes have had over an hour to adapt.The view in a 60mm 10 minutes after leaving the living room is nothing compared to an hour later.






I am of two minds when it comes to a department store 60mm refractor. I agree with Starhunter249, he did not recommend it nor I, the mounts are shaky, the finders are generally poor, the accessories like the eyepieces are adequate but marginal, the diagonals are most often a weak point.

But I also agree with BigC, even a department store 60mm can be a reasonable performer if one has a positive attitude and realistic expectations. I once tested and reviewed a Meade Telestar 60mm for the Emagazine Skywatch. (Fifty Dollars at Walmart.) I was able to detect the Crab Nebula from my urban backyard.

I recommend if you have a 60mm department store refractor, use it. If you don't have one, if you can afford a higher quality scope, spend the money, it's worthwhile. If a 60mm is what you can afford, go with it...

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5624770 - 01/15/13 04:36 PM

Scopetime will get you thru times of no money better then money will get you thru times of no scopetime.........

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5625082 - 01/15/13 07:57 PM

I was actually thinking of snatching up a cheap refractor from CL just for the fun of it. Would make a good quick peak scope and also for guests who want to see the moon or Jupiter....hands of my new baby 102.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5625088 - 01/15/13 08:00 PM

hah, just looked at CL and saw a Meade 60mm on EQ mount for $30...can't get cheaper than that.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5625177 - 01/15/13 08:50 PM

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hah, just looked at CL and saw a Meade 60mm on EQ mount for $30...can't get cheaper than that.




I believe I found the ad in the local Boston CL. Looking at the link to the manual, it seems that the scope takes 0.965 inch eyepieces. In my experience, it's better to stick with scopes with 1.25 inch focusers, that way you can use the eyepieces and the diagonal you already have.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5625212 - 01/15/13 09:14 PM

Thanks Jon. The one I was looking at is in RI. Won't be getting a cheap scope right now. I want to buy some good ep's first.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5625972 - 01/16/13 10:46 AM

I'm afraid if I brought another scope into the house, even a cheap one; I'll be living in the shed with the scopes....Hmmm......readily available, shed's not too cold........

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5626092 - 01/16/13 12:12 PM

I'm brand new to this forum and have been surfing

around to see what is going on. This is my 1st post and

I'll try to attach a picture or two of a great find that

my wife and I made also at Good Will. A 10" f6, 2" thick

primary mirror, good mirror mount, spider with secondary

mirror, focuser and small finder all together on a well

crafted hand guided yoke mount entirely out of wood. No

significant tarnish on optics. Star tested--"Superbe"

The whole kit-n-kaboodle was stolen for $50.oo. I guess

the average Joe (nothing against you Joe's out there)

hasn't a clue as to what the contraption was. It was my

lucky day. I plan to take it apart and adapt it to the

beafy home made German eq. clock driven mount that I've

had a 6" on since I've been a teen ager in the 60's.
I could probably Ebay the parts and pieces on Ebay

and take a trip to where they have drinks with little

umbrellas. Na, Too old for that. Rather tinker.

I tried to post a picture but couldn't because its file is larger than what this editor will accept. Sorry.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: 1Old Timer]
      #5626119 - 01/16/13 12:38 PM

Now that is a great find!

And I'm so glad someone at Goodwill had the good sense to offer it for sale rather than decide it was useless junk.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: BigC]
      #5626124 - 01/16/13 12:42 PM

on the other hand....I walked into the local Goodwill store, and there was the regular 114mm reflector on the EQ1 mount---for $124....you could almost buy it new for that....

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5626148 - 01/16/13 12:53 PM

I frequently stop buy all of my local thrift shops. I find that newer scopes (those that can be identified and found on the web) tend to be priced closer to actual retail. On the other hand (and much to my wife's dismay), classic scopes and home-made dobs tend to be undervalued.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: WaterMaster]
      #5626243 - 01/16/13 01:53 PM

I'm hoping to walk in to the Goodwill/ARC and find a Nice Takahashi or ES refractor for $20....but I'm not holding my breath for it........

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5626304 - 01/16/13 02:33 PM

You fellows are right about newer scopes commanding a higher value at thrift stores. Stick to the 1 1/4" eyepiece size. I have snatched a few 60-90mm no names and Meades, cleaned them up added a kellner 25mm etc. and resold on Craigslist which is another good source of scopes. There you can at least try to dicker for a reasonable price.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: 1Old Timer]
      #5626452 - 01/16/13 03:58 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

I think I found a way of sending the picture of the 10" Newtonian Yoke Mount That had a file that was too large for this program to accept. Here we go??

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: 1Old Timer]
      #5626495 - 01/16/13 04:13 PM

Wow, how much does that thing weigh??? Will that scope turn like if it had rotating rings (appears it might, even though it doesn't have "rings"). If not, that's gotta make for creative viewing positions. Nice looking though.

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      #5626505 - 01/16/13 04:16 PM

wow very cool, and nice find.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5626520 - 01/16/13 04:25 PM

It does have rotating rings. The optical tube weighs probably 35-45#. The mount is a bit more. Probably 60#. The polar X rotates on rubber caster wheels. The scope itself is easily lifted off of the yoke. The yoke is easily removed from the base. In all relatively portable. Easier to guide than a Dobsonian in my opinion as it is an equatorial mount.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: 1Old Timer]
      #5626552 - 01/16/13 04:38 PM

Now THAT'S an EQ mount.....

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5627425 - 01/17/13 04:21 AM

Pretty cool find. Can't say I've ever seen any astro equipment at a Good Will, but I'd be super excited if I did.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: 1Old Timer]
      #5628113 - 01/17/13 01:39 PM

WOW!!!!
Now that is a fantastic find! And at Goodwill?I am absolutely astounded they didn't trash it as home-made junk.

SOMEDAY I may try building such an EQ mount and "dropping" my Z12 OTA into it.
CONGRATULATIONS on a really neat find.


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5628126 - 01/17/13 01:47 PM

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hah, just looked at CL and saw a Meade 60mm on EQ mount for $30...can't get cheaper than that.




I believe I found the ad in the local Boston CL. Looking at the link to the manual, it seems that the scope takes 0.965 inch eyepieces. In my experience, it's better to stick with scopes with 1.25 inch focusers, that way you can use the eyepieces and the diagonal you already have.

Jon



When looking at bargain scopes, be aware that for some strange penny-pinching reason, a number of scopes,Tasco and Meade among them, were sold with 1.25" focusers but had inserts reducing the eyepiece size to .965" . Simply removing that insert can allow use of standard 1.25" eyepieces.

And our friend at telescopewarehouse.com has quite reasonable Tasco .965 to 1.25" diagonals in 90 degrees that ,again, allow use of 1.25": EPs in a .965" focuser.(I bought 3 because of a weakness for old classic scopes but not old tiny oculars!These hybrid diagonals really add pleasure to using an old Sears or whatever of the small focuser size because my collection of Plossls now work in them as well!


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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: BigC]
      #5628142 - 01/17/13 01:55 PM

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Quote:

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hah, just looked at CL and saw a Meade 60mm on EQ mount for $30...can't get cheaper than that.




I believe I found the ad in the local Boston CL. Looking at the link to the manual, it seems that the scope takes 0.965 inch eyepieces. In my experience, it's better to stick with scopes with 1.25 inch focusers, that way you can use the eyepieces and the diagonal you already have.

Jon



When looking at bargain scopes, be aware that for some strange penny-pinching reason, a number of scopes,Tasco and Meade among them, were sold with 1.25" focusers but had inserts reducing the eyepiece size to .965" . Simply removing that insert can allow use of standard 1.25" eyepieces.

And our friend at telescopewarehouse.com has quite reasonable Tasco .965 to 1.25" diagonals in 90 degrees that ,again, allow use of 1.25": EPs in a .965" focuser.(I bought 3 because of a weakness for old classic scopes but not old tiny oculars!These hybrid diagonals really add pleasure to using an old Sears or whatever of the small focuser size because my collection of Plossls now work in them as well!




Hybrid diagonals are a help but need to be included in the cost calculation. And too, sometimes there is not enough inward focuser travel and the scope won't focus with the diagonal in place. A $30 scope ends up costing $50 and then you are still stuck with the narrower field of view. I just make a practice of staying away from scopes with 0.965" focusers unless they are otherwise admirable scopes.

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5628171 - 01/17/13 02:12 PM

although there are some fine .965 oculars out there, but they are hard to find. Like the 1.25" replaced the .965, the 1.25 is slowly being replaced by the 2", and now, we have mfgs coming out with a 3"....

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Re: Wife found a telescope at our local Good Will. new [Re: newtoskies]
      #5629917 - 01/18/13 01:02 PM

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hah, just looked at CL and saw a Meade 60mm on EQ mount for $30...can't get cheaper than that.




Not cheaper, but I got my Nexstar ST80 for $35. I would point a beginner toward that ahead of a 60mm/f11. (But I bought one of those for $27 new at a going out of business store.)

I actually use the ST80 on occasion (unlike the 60) and I see them pop up on Craigslist a fair amount.


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