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EFT
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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: jgraham]
      #5624957 - 01/15/13 06:47 PM

A very interesting discussion on Meade financial condition was just deleted from the Cats & Casses group. Apparently such as discussion will not be allowed so if anyone wants to continue it elsewhere there is now a Yahoo Group for the LX850: LX850 Yahoo Group. Please post there to avoid any TOS violations.

For those who are uninterested in the Meade LX850 discussions, there is a special key on your keyboard that will help you.



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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: galaxy_jason]
      #5624984 - 01/15/13 07:09 PM

Is that peak to peak or RMS?

I've just measured an unguided but PEC applied error of +- 2.6 arc sec RMS on the new AVX mount and wonder if that is about the same.

Chris


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: EFT]
      #5624988 - 01/15/13 07:09 PM

Quote:

A very interesting discussion on Meade financial condition was just deleted from the Cats & Casses group. Apparently such as discussion will not be allowed so if anyone wants to continue it elsewhere there is now a Yahoo Group for the LX850: LX850 Yahoo Group. Please post there to avoid any TOS violations.




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@Alph: That's a lot of hooey. Enough of that ranting. It's high time to lock up this thread which should have been moved to another forum anyway. Moderators, are you sleeping? What does this thread have to do with discussing Cats & Casses?.




I tend to disagree that the post that was deleted was in violation; it just could have been moved to another forum. Let's not promote that kind of censorship; Mr. Alph being overzealous there in my opinion. Thx


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: EFT]
      #5625000 - 01/15/13 07:19 PM

Yah there is already an 850 group going. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lx850users

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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: mmalik]
      #5625010 - 01/15/13 07:24 PM

Quote:

Quote:

A very interesting discussion on Meade financial condition was just deleted from the Cats & Casses group. Apparently such as discussion will not be allowed so if anyone wants to continue it elsewhere there is now a Yahoo Group for the LX850: LX850 Yahoo Group. Please post there to avoid any TOS violations.




Quote:

@Alph: That's a lot of hooey. Enough of that ranting. It's high time to lock up this thread which should have been moved to another forum anyway. Moderators, are you sleeping? What does this thread have to do with discussing Cats & Casses?.




I tend to disagree that the post that was deleted was in violation; it could just have been just moved to another forum. Let's not promote that kind of censorship; Mr. Alph being overzealous there in my opinion. Thx




mmalik,

I agree with you. If you see it elsewhere, let us know. I did find the information and the interpretation of it interesting and useful. But I figured it would be good to have another outlet if necessary. We will see.

Now how did you know who the image was for.


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: EFT]
      #5625054 - 01/15/13 07:44 PM

Actually, I think it quite important to speculate when Meade wil file for chapter 11 bankruptcy... First, there will be some great deals on OTAs and equipment... Next, it will become important for Meade customers to understand how and where they will need to find support for their products... Finally, will a white knight or potential acquirer care to attempt a rescue...

Having reviewed the financials it is plainly obvious that Meade has at best one or two quarters left...

Al


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: A. Viegas]
      #5625086 - 01/15/13 07:59 PM

Dude, stick to mounts or this whole thread is gone.

To Jason- OK- so what's the deal with the listed spec at 1" tracking? I rechecked the Meade web page, and there it was, plain as day, and it is repeated for the LX850:

http://meade.com/lx850/specifications

So, I'll go ahead and ask the insufferably stupid question: What gives? Why do you say 4"-5" is the same as the spec? I'm obviously missing something.

-Rich


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5625098 - 01/15/13 08:07 PM

Rich,

I think Jason reported the Tracking with PEC at 4"-5". He says the Guiding is to spec, which is listed on Meade's site as +/- 1". I think you are trying to apply guiding specs to tracking.


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: austin.grant]
      #5625110 - 01/15/13 08:15 PM

Was that the intent?

Something like 16" raw, 4-5" PEC, 1" guided?

-Rich


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5625133 - 01/15/13 08:29 PM

Don't know, I'm just helping you interpret the data. Whether you like the method, if it guides at +/- 1" then it meets spec. I'd never buy it, given the multitude of truly excellent mounts in that category, but that's a different thread.

Edited by austin.grant (01/15/13 08:30 PM)


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5625352 - 01/15/13 10:32 PM

Quote:

Was that the intent?

Something like 16" raw, 4-5" PEC, 1" guided?

-Rich




Yes, Maybe I wasn't clear. I do the PEMPro testing with the Starlock off. PEMPro can bring the raw PE down to 4-5" p-p. Turn on Starlock guiding and I see at worst a two pixel error in exposures which is about 1.5 arc seconds.


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: galaxy_jason]
      #5625438 - 01/15/13 11:24 PM

Jason, thank you for the clarification.

They really did it, then. That's very encouraging.

-Rich


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5625627 - 01/16/13 03:59 AM

1.5" with guiding?

That seems incredibly.. high for a mount of this dollar value.


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5625784 - 01/16/13 08:50 AM

That's what I was thinking... isn't the CGE Pro +/-3 native these days? With PEC alone I thought they were down around that guided Meade range.

Clear skies,


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announce new [Re: Gord]
      #5625816 - 01/16/13 09:09 AM

That's with Starlock guiding. Its limited by the focal length of the Starlock and the resolution of the guide chip. Off axis guiding would do a bit better.

PEC may improve a bit with direct upload from PEMPro, right now I am training using playback which has a minimum pulse resolution of 10ms.

But it doesn't matter! I've produced hundreds of publication quality, perfectly guided photos with an RCX 12" that has a corrected PE of about 10". It's 6.5 minute worm cycle. The worst case drift is easily removed by guiding.


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5625856 - 01/16/13 09:33 AM

Quote:

I happen to have one that I got on the 4th and have been doing a little last minute testing. I am trying to find bugs that need to be addressed before it starts shipping back out.




Are you their beta tester now; sounding like 'them' ?


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: mmalik]
      #5625954 - 01/16/13 10:38 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I happen to have one that I got on the 4th and have been doing a little last minute testing. I am trying to find bugs that need to be addressed before it starts shipping back out.




Are you their beta tester now; sounding like 'them' ?




Jason is their beta tester. All I am supposed to do is pretend to be a new user with an out of box experience. No tips or tricks, no directions on how to test or what to test. I am supposed to use it as I normally would and if I see things that are not right, let Meade know ASAP. I know that sounds like Beta testing and I guess if you are interpreting it strictly I guess I am. Like a computer game before it hits store shelves I am playing it and giving feedback.

However I am definitely not one of THEM.

Edit: I hadn't seen this before but it looks like Meade made the official announcement on their page which includes a list of what they have changed from the LX800 to the LX850.
http://meade.com/lx850

Edited by Whichwayisnorth (01/16/13 12:09 PM)


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5626116 - 01/16/13 12:36 PM

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includes a list of what they have changed from the LX800 to the LX850.



Did they modify/improve the focusing mechanism on their OTAs?


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5626127 - 01/16/13 12:45 PM

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Dude, stick to mounts or this whole thread is gone.



That's the way to go.


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Re: You can start speculating - New LX850 Announced new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5626443 - 01/16/13 03:55 PM

Quote:

1.5" with guiding?

That seems incredibly.. high for a mount of this dollar value.




Also, the spec is at 2" so assuming 1.5 is optimistic (otherwise that would be the spec published by Meade).
2" *guiding* is not good at all for a long focal length instrument, especially for a mount priced like this.


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