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City Kid
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I'm more of a reflector guy but........
      #5617725 - 01/11/13 06:23 PM

I came to the conclusion I prefer reflectors when I was saving for my "dream" scope and I was deciding between a TEC 140 and a Teeter 12.5" Classic. They are both a lot of money so the decision required a lot of thought. The fact that I went with the reflector says it all. However, when I go through the "Show a Picture of Your _____" threads I can't help it, I like looking at the pictures of the refractors the most. They're just so cool looking!

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rflinn68
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: City Kid]
      #5617755 - 01/11/13 06:37 PM

I think they're all cool looking. Thats why I want BOTH I just cant afford both. I will probably get the big dob as well when that time for me comes. Congrats on a great scope!

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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: City Kid]
      #5617795 - 01/11/13 06:59 PM

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?...



I thought not. It's not a story the Reflector fans would tell you. It's a Refractor aficionado legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Refractorites who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the refractive elements to influence the photons to create a perfect visual image... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even achieve remarkable images with the most modest of apertures, free from worries about cooling, seeing, collimation and the like.

- Jim


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5617834 - 01/11/13 07:27 PM

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Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Refractorites who lived many years ago.




Indeed he was a Lord of Darkness...

Darth Newtoneis was that Bright Lord who showed that the Dark Lord had merely confused his subjects into thinking that a dim view was a clear view.

Jon


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jrbarnett
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5617852 - 01/11/13 07:32 PM

Indeed. However, unlike the dark lord of the Refractorites, the bright lord was quite dim, and could never manage a perfect image despite the abundance of photons at his disposal, though he did ultimately excel at making excuses for the performance of his scopes, and also evolved a strange aesthetic for boxes and polls.



- Jim


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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5617855 - 01/11/13 07:34 PM

*BLEEP* that was too good.

Pete


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City Kid
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: azure1961p]
      #5617916 - 01/11/13 08:08 PM



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rflinn68
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: City Kid]
      #5617937 - 01/11/13 08:17 PM



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Ed D
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: rflinn68]
      #5617964 - 01/11/13 08:33 PM

So, when does this saga of good and evil come out on Blue Ray?

Ed D


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dan777
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: City Kid]
      #5617973 - 01/11/13 08:39 PM

Yea, but I’m an analytical guy and I like to analyze data. And 99% of the time there are more people on the refractor forum than there are on the reflector forum. So… maybe they’re right and we’re wrong.

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Jeff Porter
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: Ed D]
      #5617982 - 01/11/13 08:43 PM

And one eyepiece to rule them all....

-Jeff P


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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: dan777]
      #5618047 - 01/11/13 09:26 PM

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So… maybe they’re right and we’re wrong.





or maybe we're outside observing or building and the beautiful fracs are sitting lonely in the corner while their owners sit at a computer sharing pics.


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pogobbler
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: dan777]
      #5618374 - 01/12/13 01:40 AM

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Yea, but I’m an analytical guy and I like to analyze data. And 99% of the time there are more people on the refractor forum than there are on the reflector forum. So… maybe they’re right and we’re wrong.




That's because the refractor guys (and girls) are sitting at their computers, admiring their beautiful refractors set up across the room from them. The reflector guys (and girls) are either out observing or out tinkering with their reflectors to maximize their viewing pleasure when the sun finally sets.


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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: City Kid]
      #5618525 - 01/12/13 07:10 AM

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...I like looking at the pictures of the refractors the most. They're just so cool looking!




I, OTOH, think refractors mostly look about the same. Reflectors tend to exhibit an extraordinary range of designs.

Although things change with reflectors also, when did they have the equivalent of the Dobsonian revolution?


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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5618530 - 01/12/13 07:21 AM

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Indeed. However, unlike the dark lord of the Refractorites, the bright lord was quite dim, and could never manage a perfect image despite the abundance of photons at his disposal, though he did ultimately excel at making excuses for the performance of his scopes, and also evolved a strange aesthetic for boxes and polls.



- Jim




The Lord of Brightness is also the Lord of Resolution and Contrast. He has the ability to more accurately place the abundance of photons than the Lord of Darkness and Confusion.

As can be seen by this thread, the spell of the Dark Lord has continued to confuse his followers. In the dim images of bright objects, they find their solace, communing with one another about the wonderful Lord of Darkness.

The Lord of Brightness teaches that all is good, there is a place in the universe for the Lord of Darkness and his creations....

Everyone needs a good finder scope.

Jon


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: careysub]
      #5618545 - 01/12/13 07:39 AM

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Although things change with reflectors also, when did they have the equivalent of the Dobsonian revolution?




The Dobsonian revolution about alt-az mounts and higher quality fast telescopes.

Refractors have undergone a similar revolution. The old long focal length planetary refractors have been replaced the shorter focal length, faster telescopes, often on alt-az mount, these have become quite popular. The development of the affordable ED/apos have allowed high quality views in a relatively compact package. One scope can do it all.. Enjoyable widefield, astrophotography, planetary...

The topic of this thread, the TEC 140, is an example of what has happened to the refractor world in during the Dobsonian revolution. 30 years ago, an 140mm F/7 refractor would not have been capable of providing nearly perfect high magnification views, it would not have been considered a planetary scope.

The SCT world has undergone a similar change, though the introduction of the SCT to the amateur marketplace was revolutionary and was nearly concurrent with the Dobsonian. The advent of the ALT-AZ GOTO mount was a small revolution that made the SCT more enjoyable than the old Fork mounts.

This is all driven because of light pollution and the increased mobility, the increased need for mobility. Big scopes that are easily transported and setup fit the needs of the observing public, most of us have to drive to get to dark skies.

Jon


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yonkrz
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5618572 - 01/12/13 08:13 AM



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howard929
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: City Kid]
      #5618829 - 01/12/13 11:13 AM

[quote However, when I go through the "Show a Picture of Your _____" threads I can't help it, I like looking at the pictures of the refractors the most. They're just so cool looking!




Least we forget that it's better to look through then at.


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Mike Lockwood
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5618939 - 01/12/13 12:04 PM

Is this the original trilogy or are you doing the prequels first?

DING DONG.....

Oh, it's the Lord of Brightness at my door. He says he's tired of poor mirrors causing him grief online, he heard about someone seeing markings on Ganymede with a 20" f/3, and he wants a good 40" f/3 mirror.... excuse me while I talk to him.


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ccaissie
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Re: I'm more of a reflector guy but........ new [Re: Mike Lockwood]
      #5619069 - 01/12/13 01:24 PM

How about a 10" f/24 gregorian...would look like a huge short focus APO. You'd have to chase trolls away with a stick.

C


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