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csrlice12
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End of an era?
      #5619344 - 01/12/13 04:04 PM

University Optics Volcano Top Abbe Orthos are no longer being manufactured. Their source closed up shop on December 31, 2012. They are limited to stock on hand.....

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5619398 - 01/12/13 04:34 PM

Sad to see. These were the "go to" eyepiece for many discerning observers who couldn't (or didn't) want to spend big dollars for the premium eyepieces.
Looks like they are indeed gone as seen on the Website


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: junomike]
      #5619448 - 01/12/13 04:59 PM

Damn! That really is too bad. I recently bought the complete set, I'm now glad I didn't wait. I thought they'd be around forever. I guess not.

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Bart]
      #5619537 - 01/12/13 05:52 PM

Astronomy equipment of any kind is a relatively niche industry where the premium makers are at largest, only modestly larger than mom-and-pop operations and the smaller ones are literally that (sometimes just pop, not mom). Most of them are vulnerable to quick extinction if one to a very tiny handful of key people retire, quit, or die. Some of them are mere sidelines to the principal's primary business (e.g. Astrophysics, or for a larger corporate example, Pentax eyepieces after the company's purchase by Ricoh.)

Along those lines, let's wish Al Nagler an even longer, happier life.

Edited by FirstSight (01/13/13 01:15 AM)


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Bart
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Re: End of an era? new [Re: FirstSight]
      #5619558 - 01/12/13 06:04 PM

If Al would only do Abbe Orthos...

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Bart]
      #5619650 - 01/12/13 06:56 PM

Wow, sad to see. These things are must-haves. Just ordered a 25mm UO to complete my set...

I noticed Agena doesn't have the KK ones (same EP) either anymore...


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: junomike]
      #5619664 - 01/12/13 07:03 PM

Cool. Looks like my complete set (25mm, 18mm, 12.5mm, 9mm, 7mm, 6mm, 5mm and 4mm) of pre-undercut-barrel UO Abbe Orthos just got significantly more valuable.

From Kokusai Kohki's website:

"Japanese Orthoscopic Eyepieces

SOLD OUT & Gone Forever :- ("

Hmm, I'll start the bidding at $1500...

- Jim

Edited by jrbarnett (01/12/13 07:09 PM)


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Bart
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Re: End of an era? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5619693 - 01/12/13 07:22 PM

Quote:

UO Abbe Orthos just got significantly more valuable.

- Jim




I was thinking the same thing......


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JIMZ7
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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Bart]
      #5619698 - 01/12/13 07:26 PM

We could see that coming. Jan at University Optics served us well past few decades with Japan made products.

Jim


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: JIMZ7]
      #5619948 - 01/12/13 10:35 PM

Circle Ts ended production earlier than that. Guess UO had a healthy stockpile to last slightly longer.

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Mariner@sg]
      #5619984 - 01/12/13 11:07 PM

Sad to hear the news. Have a handful of them, not gonna let loose ever.


L-R: UO/HD Poor Man's XO 5mm, 9mm & 12.5mm pair VT's

Best,


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5620018 - 01/12/13 11:34 PM

If the BCOs and Kasai HCs weren't coming down the pipeline that would be it for bought new Abbe Orthos. I should have my 18 BCO in a few weeks and 9 Kasai HC in a few months. David

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Jon Isaacs
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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Bart]
      #5620024 - 01/12/13 11:39 PM

Quote:

If Al would only do Abbe Orthos...




I have a TeleVue branded ortho, it's a 9mm eyepiece with an illuminated reticule for guiding. Apogee Inc sold them.

Jon


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5620631 - 01/13/13 12:00 PM

Only have a couple that I recently picked up. Got two of the UO HD (7mm,9mm), and got one (12mm) called OPS. Apparently, they made a few "Planetary" orthos where they gave them a special coating to enhance the light frequencies mostly given off by planets. Not sure how well it works, haven't tried it yet. I have the chance to get the 9mm in the OPS series, but not certain how good they are. The cloudy nights article from 2005 wasn't too thrilled with them (apparently increased the contrast at the expense of sharpness). The article also did not like it for double stars, nebulas, etc....(but then, it IS a Planetary eyepeiece). It apparently does dim the view a little, but for planets like Jupiter and Saturn, that shouldn't be much of a problem. Oh well, not every eyepiece idea pans out.....It is sad to see any quality eyepiece line go......

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5620747 - 01/13/13 01:00 PM

I sold off all my UO VT's except for the 4mm and two of the 25mm. All the rest were replaced by BGO's ... which are also no longer made. I sold the BGO 5mm when I bought an XO 5.1 ... which is also no longer made. I've kept the remaining BGO's except for the 12.5mm, for which I received an offer I could not refuse. The BGO 5 sold for more than I had paid for it used.

The coatings on the BGO's are better and I prefer the flat-top format - with an after-market eyecup - to the VT's. The XO's are clearly better optically than the BGO's.

IMO, the only reasons to prefer the UO VT's are sheer nostalgia and collector's mania. If there had been 4mm and 25mm BGO's, and would not have kept any UO VT's!


Mike


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620753 - 01/13/13 01:03 PM

Quote:

I sold off all my UO VT's except for the 4mm and two of the 25mm. All the rest were replaced by BGO's ... which are also no longer made. I sold the BGO 5mm when I bought an XO 5.1 ... which is also no longer made....





I see a pattern here. Please don't start buying any Televue eyepieces...OH NOES, look at your signature!


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5620761 - 01/13/13 01:07 PM

FWIW Edmund Optics still has Circle-T Orthos.

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Sarkikos
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Re: End of an era? new [Re: FirstSight]
      #5620765 - 01/13/13 01:08 PM

Nope, I haven't drunken the TV Koolaid. So far I have only a smattering of mostly used TV products: some Plossls, a Radian and a Paracorr. Those Ethos cost upwards of !

Not happen' here. And for the same reason I don't have Apple products.

But I might go for a used Delos or two if I sell my XW's.


Mike


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5621110 - 01/13/13 03:56 PM

Are Kasai going ahead with the HC ? i thought I read on here they werent making any more of them. Did I ipick up wrong ?

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: astro_baby]
      #5621177 - 01/13/13 04:34 PM

Quote:

Are Kasai going ahead with the HC ? i thought I read on here they werent making any more of them. Did I ipick up wrong ?




Manish of Agena Astro posted back at the first of December that they would be available mid December. They are still not in stock at least at Agena and I haven't seen them in any quantity at any other retailer. I'm starting to lose interest.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5621363 - 01/13/13 06:07 PM

Quote:

Nope, I haven't drunken the TV Koolaid. So far I have only a smattering of mostly used TV products: some Plossls, a Radian and a Paracorr. Those Ethos cost upwards of !

Not happen' here. And for the same reason I don't have Apple products.

But I might go for a used Delos or two if I sell my XW's.


Mike




Ahem, the point was that you have a habit of purchasing eyepiece lines (UO VTs, BGOs, XOs) which tend to go extinct and no longer be produced.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: FirstSight]
      #5621423 - 01/13/13 06:44 PM

"Ahem, the point was that you have a habit of purchasing eyepiece lines (UO VTs, BGOs, XOs) which tend to go extinct and no longer be produced."

Kind of like when I was in the military; and every base I was assigned to got closed shortly after I was stationed elsewhere..........


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Sarkikos
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Re: End of an era? new [Re: FirstSight]
      #5622570 - 01/14/13 12:06 PM

Chris,

Quote:

Ahem, the point was that you have a habit of purchasing eyepiece lines (UO VTs, BGOs, XOs) which tend to go extinct and no longer be produced.





True, or so it appears. So you're saying I might be jinxing these lines?

But I also have the countervailing tendency to sell individual eyepieces from those lines if something clearly better comes along ... or I get an offer I can't refuse! Maybe I should consider my sig as an advertisment for potential future sales?

I think, though, that the high-end Televue are safe from any curse I might have on lines of eyepieces! Not much chance of my affecting the Ethos...


Mike


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5630946 - 01/19/13 01:21 AM

Drat drat drat! That's what I get for not ordering the UO Abbes that I've had my eye on for quite a while. I thought Jan would retire one of these days and wasn't sure what would happen then, but I wasn't expecting the manufacturer to close up shop.

The Golden Rule of astronomy books *and* astro equipment seems to be "if you really want it, get it while it's available, because it may be gone tomorrow." I've learned that lesson for books (no, you cannot buy my Rukl at any price), but I'm still learning it for gear the hard way.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: RocketScientist]
      #5630980 - 01/19/13 02:08 AM

Quote:

The Golden Rule of astronomy books *and* astro equipment seems to be "if you really want it, get it while it's available, because it may be gone tomorrow." I've learned that lesson for books (no, you cannot buy my Rukl at any price), but I'm still learning it for gear the hard way.




Yup yup yup!!
Take note: One day, a post will appear that Don Yeier is calling it quits, and Brandon eyepieces will no longer be made. (He assembles them all himself, by hand.) That will be a devastating day. UO orthos are excellent - I've got one - but Brandons are superb, and arguably the highest quality eyepiece of this genre currently in production. And, they're the last of the all-American made eyepieces, to boot.

So take heed, and think about getting some Brandons now, while there's time.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5631156 - 01/19/13 08:35 AM

Any woman knows you have to buy shoes and clothes when you see them - come back later and your in for the disappointment of only being able to buy in the sizes no one else wants....

Still - chin up because you know that lots of people will sell as soon as something new comes along.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: astro_baby]
      #5631396 - 01/19/13 11:35 AM

I just got the 9mm yesterday.Skies were clear as a bell of course until I prepared to go outside and the clouds sensed my intent....I was going to wait until the summer to purchase it, but had to move before they disappeared.

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: RocketScientist]
      #5632149 - 01/19/13 08:03 PM

Yep, I'm learning these lessons myself. I have a Tak FS-152 and love the fluorite doublet and don't plan on letting it go--they'll never be made again. Any planetary or double star observer will be well-served to get some Brandons.

Best,
Randy


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: payner]
      #5633167 - 01/20/13 01:03 PM

Now I'm sorry for having sold my 6mm. Frankly it was a very difficult eyepiece to use, but you couldn't complain about the views.

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: spaulmac]
      #5633441 - 01/20/13 03:42 PM

Quote:

Now I'm sorry for having sold my 6mm. Frankly it was a very difficult eyepiece to use, but you couldn't complain about the views.




Yes, the short focal length Abbes are not the friendliest oculars. I have the 6mm and will never let it go, but I have never been tempted to get the 4mm or 5mm. But when I want to push my scope, the 6mm gives sharp views.

I had hoped to get the 18mm, but that seems to have been the first one to go out of stock. I'm guessing that it was a less-popular focal length and fewer were produced. Oh, well, I ordered a Televue 20mm Plossl instead.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: RocketScientist]
      #5633544 - 01/20/13 04:48 PM

Truly the end of the Tani era. I missed the boat on the BGOs and the UOHDs while I concentrated on these.



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Re: End of an era? new [Re: desertlens]
      #5633652 - 01/20/13 05:51 PM

You do keep caps on those right? I would hate to hear about how the lenses got scratched up after leaving them exposed to the egg crate foam in the top lid.

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: Dave Ittner]
      #5633816 - 01/20/13 07:28 PM

Yes... caps removed for photo only. It's funny but I thought I'd need to answer this question.

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: desertlens]
      #5633825 - 01/20/13 07:38 PM Attachment (25 downloads)

Prepare for the apocalypse!

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Re: End of an era? new [Re: johnnyha]
      #5633863 - 01/20/13 08:10 PM

... or the binocalypse!

Edited by desertlens (01/20/13 08:11 PM)


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: desertlens]
      #5641743 - 01/24/13 11:46 PM


I just ordered and successfully received the 25mm and 12.5mm volcano tops from UO. They do still have a few left, so get 'em while you can!


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: RocketScientist]
      #5642605 - 01/25/13 01:31 PM

For any UK folk Lyra Optics still have Cir. Ts in all sizes except 25mm.

Its a real shame that future scope fans wont have orthos available apart from the BCOs.


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Re: End of an era? new [Re: astro_baby]
      #5642623 - 01/25/13 01:42 PM

They are going fast,Mel. It's been a little hectic this week.

I'm very sad indeed about the loss of these eyepieces.


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