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barbarosa
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! *DELETED* new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630386 - 01/18/13 06:45 PM

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630507 - 01/18/13 07:59 PM

Matt,

I thank you for sharing the precious info in this public (i.e., non-vendor specific) forum.

Clear Skies!

ccs_hello


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: barbarosa]
      #5630519 - 01/18/13 08:08 PM

Quote:

I suspect that a Malincam or similar camera is lurking in the budget projection, so this thread is interesting to me.

When someone finds and shares an alternative for an accessory or parts, we should thank them. I for one do not blush to have a $12 DIY accessory on a $2800 scope.

However, I do not think that this should lead to criticism of any vendor's pricing. Nor is there a need for the vendor or manufacturer justify the retail price. There is no such thing as a fair price, Rock offers the item, and we buy it or not. The market sets the price.

A small business, particularly one that sells only small quantities, does not have much latitude in setting wholesale/retail prices. Rock has to recover his total costs and a profit to remain in business. How he allocates those costs is up to him. If Rock makes 1000 cameras and sells 1000 cables, he can reasonably just divide his total cost by 2000 to get a unit cost. Sure, he will take a loss on each camera and make an exorbitant profit on each cable, but the market will determine how that works.

Even large businesses sometimes want a disparate profit from accessories and optional items. Think ink jet refills.

In the instant case I think it would be challenge for someone to buy, market, ship, ensure compatibility, offer a warranty, etc. on something like these remotes as other than a hobby business.



I was not kidding. The Sunon Maglev fans are really the best and they are really used in a lot of peoples' scopes for vibration free operation . I only stated their RETAIL price . And yes, if they go bad, there is warranty on them in that price and yes, you can return them to the disctributor . I didn't think learning about more options would be such a bad thing .


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wolfman_4_ever
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630537 - 01/18/13 08:21 PM

Are you talking about the Sunon KDE1205PFVX fan on the heat dissipater?

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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5630555 - 01/18/13 08:38 PM

Quote:

Are you talking about the Sunon KDE1205PFVX fan on the heat dissipater?




Yes, apparently people lived under the impression that these are much more expensive than the $4.50 range I had quoted . Other people didn't know Sunon Maglev existed . They're good for scope thermal equalization too .


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A. Viegas
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5630594 - 01/18/13 09:09 PM

There are many innovative and talented DIY'ers in this hobby. I don't have the time nor patience to worry about how to splice a cable or attach some $4.50 fan assembly. So I pay retail. It is what it is. Kudos to you if you can figure out how to save $200 that's nice. Astronomy is a fun hobby and there are certainly many zealous and passionate aficionados on CN. I sometimes buy used equipment and feel proud that I could get a functional product for half the cost of new. That's great as we can save some $ but there is a cost in not supporting those small businesses that are innovative and leading in their respective field. Ultimately if mallincam cannot make a profit he will cease innovating. In a mature and large industry there are many new entrants all,the time, but in a highly specialized field like this that is not true. So I support mallincam because first and foremost he has an excellent product. But I also respect the fact that he and his us distributor Jack need to make a profit to stay in business. So I pay full retail. I get a high quality product, it makes me very happy and I obtain emotional zeitgeist from knowing I am supporting a product that could be critical in getting so many other part time amateurs more hooked and dedicated to astronomy...

I can buy $50 tickets to sit up in the rafters to watch the Knicks play basketball or I can spend $500 to sit near the floor. Why pay anything at all as you can watch the games in HD at home. So many ways to save money... It's important. But heck we choose when to over pay and when to get a bargain. I don't shop at Costco, I don't care about coupons and I don't regret paying full price for my mallincam products. Sorry, but I don't care to crimp,cables or figure out wiring diagrams. And I prefer to sit near the floor when I see basketball games.

Al


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: A. Viegas]
      #5630601 - 01/18/13 09:15 PM

Quote:

There are many innovative and talented DIY'ers in this hobby. I don't have the time nor patience to worry about how to splice a cable or attach some $4.50 fan assembly. So I pay retail. It is what it is. Kudos to you if you can figure out how to save $200 that's nice. Astronomy is a fun hobby and there are certainly many zealous and passionate aficionados on CN. I sometimes buy used equipment and feel proud that I could get a functional product for half the cost of new. That's great as we can save some $ but there is a cost in not supporting those small businesses that are innovative and leading in their respective field. Ultimately if mallincam cannot make a profit he will cease innovating. In a mature and large industry there are many new entrants all,the time, but in a highly specialized field like this that is not true. So I support mallincam because first and foremost he has an excellent product. But I also respect the fact that he and his us distributor Jack need to make a profit to stay in business. So I pay full retail. I get a high quality product, it makes me very happy and I obtain emotional zeitgeist from knowing I am supporting a product that could be critical in getting so many other part time amateurs more hooked and dedicated to astronomy...

I can buy $50 tickets to sit up in the rafters to watch the Knicks play basketball or I can spend $500 to sit near the floor. Why pay anything at all as you can watch the games in HD at home. So many ways to save money... It's important. But heck we choose when to over pay and when to get a bargain. I don't shop at Costco, I don't care about coupons and I don't regret paying full price for my mallincam products. Sorry, but I don't care to crimp,cables or figure out wiring diagrams. And I prefer to sit near the floor when I see basketball games.

Al



Good to know that if I ever get into the video astro cam business making my own line of cameras there are so many nice people out there ready to pay full retail and support me . I am actually more and more tempted to do this . It might be a compulsion due to the fact that I've been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember.


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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5631266 - 01/19/13 10:22 AM

Folks,

May I suggest viewing this thread as a technical suggestion and leave the vendor specific out of it and avoid debate on it?

We have different users in the forum and getting these two mixed up is not a good sign.

As I said, a well educated consumer gains more.

Clear Skies!

ccs_hello


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Stew57
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Reged: 05/03/09

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #5631759 - 01/19/13 03:28 PM

An oscilloscope would show if the signals are the same. One would have to have both versions and a scope though

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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Stew57]
      #5632267 - 01/19/13 09:48 PM

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An ociliscope would show if the signals are the same. One would have to have both versions and a scope though



Or have a Mallincam and see what's inside (the circuitry connected to the DC iris connector).


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Lorence
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Reged: 09/15/08

Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5633303 - 01/20/13 02:09 PM

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I am actually more and more tempted to do this . It might be a compulsion due to the fact that I've been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember.




If that's the case why didn't you just do it? If you are as competent as you would have us believe, you would have it done by now.

I haven't been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember but I managed to put together my observatory with less discussion than what has taken place in this thread. Walk the walk or talk the talk.


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mallin
Vendor - Mallincam Video


Reged: 01/27/11

Loc: Ontario Canada
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5633344 - 01/20/13 02:35 PM

Dear mattflastro and others,

I would like to correct a few issues with you statements if you don't mind. That way, no misinformation gets lost in cyber world.

First, I rarely post here and rarely read here for reason you just created. Our Wireless Shutter System was made to our strict specification by Pixel. It needed several updates custom made by them based on our own schematic diagram in the receiver part

Some of the reasons are as followed:

- Digital pulse required to activate the Hyper circuit inside the MallinCam Xtreme.
- Polarization of input
- shielded internal to keep digital noise down
- Harmonic suppression caused by digital interface
- Cold temperature operation down to -30C and up to 45+C.
- FCC Approval in the US had to be modified by Pixel due to change in digital pulse interference. Cost alone was 7500.00
- IC Approval (Industry Canada) in Canada Cost to do this alone was a little 10,000.00
- European Telecommunications approval certificate. Cost 8500.00
- Upgadability is possible with our model.
- We choose not to have the MallinCam brand on it to avoid more Canadian taxes applied to the unit entering in Canada.

Not sure what you met by FUD in one of you post. Can you please explain?

Now about our Heat dissipator. It cost well over 12,000 to get a proflow company to evaluate the right angle, right aluminum, thickness and especially fans. Our fan certainly don't cost 4.00 a piece. They cost us at the shop 17.00 each fan and are high flow with zero vibration. Plus a employee to assemble them at 20.00 an hour with plugs and connector solder and hardware screws nuts washers etc. A big concern of mine was vibration while delivering adequate flow to the so called "bend aluminum" as you described. We got them custom made to our HDX2-F unit. They are custom made not bought on line to some cheap Chinese over stock warehouse. Let me assure you that this bent aluminum is far more than just a bent aluminum. The type of aluminum used carry the correct amount of heat under any outdoor temperature. The amount of engineering it took to the the right results was staggering to say the least. They are CNC made locally in Ottawa Ontario Canada by my designed. It took nearly a year to design until the correct flow, cooling was achieved. The machine shop doing these unit for us charge a lot for a reason: QUALITY and PERFECTION in material required to do high end HDX2 unit. Anodizing is expensive in Canada the thickness change the specification of the HDX2 unit so a right amount of precision anodizing was used. All of this cost and cost a lot unfortunately. You want the best, get the best. I will not cut corners on our products ever!

Some have tried to make a HDX2 type by themselves only to find out it has cost them a lot more by the end and still could not produce the flow and cooling required for the MallinCam Xtreme.

I sincerely hope this put the subject at rest. If anyone have questions, please send me a direct e mail at mallincam @ gmail . com and get the truth and accurate information fro me. I answer the phone, I answer all e mails.

Sincerely Yours,
Rock Mallin (astronomer)
Principal designer
President and Owner of
ProCom Electronics
Ottawa Ontario Canada


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mallin
Vendor - Mallincam Video


Reged: 01/27/11

Loc: Ontario Canada
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5633405 - 01/20/13 03:06 PM





Or have a Mallincam and see what's inside (the circuitry connected to the DC iris connector).




mattflastro,

If you claim to be a tech, why do you need to open a MallinCam to copy it? There are copy rights on the circuits design and patents as well in place.

Now that I read a little more your posts, it seems you do not own a MallinCam. So much for you being original.
I'm out of here. Back on the MallinCam Yahoo groups.

Rock Mallin
MALLINCAM
Ottawa Canada


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5633769 - 01/20/13 06:52 PM

Quote:

Dear mattflastro and others,

I would like to correct a few issues with you statements if you don't mind. That way, no misinformation gets lost in cyber world.

- FCC Approval in the US had to be modified by Pixel due to change in digital pulse interference. Cost alone was 7500.00





I now have to correct the misinformation in your own statement if you don't mind.I hope you are not spreading it intentionally , because as you said, misinformation doesn't get lost in cyberworld.

- Pixel only has the original unmodified FCC authorization for your remote .
An FCC search shows they obtained no authorization for any modification .
For anyone who is curious to search and see for themselves, this is the FCC authorization search web page:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

The only FCC ID ever obtained by Pixel or Procom for the remote you are selling is X5SWTCTW-282TX .

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&am...

All documents were submitted to the FCC on 1/11/2011 with no further alterations or modifications .
The usual cover letters, internal and external photos , test report, user manual were submitted.
When changes are made , there is a second or mdoified test report ,plus additional correspondence .
None of these exists for the pixel remote , sorry .
I hope you are not selling to unsuspecting customers illegaly modified remotes because then unfortunately not only you are liable but the users too .


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mattflastro
Vendor - Astrovideo Systems


Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5633792 - 01/20/13 07:03 PM

Quote:

Dear mattflastro and others,

I would like to correct a few issues with you statements if you don't mind. That way, no misinformation gets lost in cyber world.


Our fan certainly don't cost 4.00 a piece. They cost us at the shop 17.00 each fan and are high flow with zero vibration.




If you pay $17 /ea for that fan, your electronics distributor is ripping you off .
You owe it to your customers whom you care about so much to buy the same fan from a more reputable and honest distributor.
I am willing to help you so here's a link to a well known distributor for your exact Sunon heat dissipator fan :

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&vendor=0&WT...

The price is $3 to $5 dependng if you buy one or more qty NOT $17 , so you would save $12 per fan or $24 per unit .


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mattflastro
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mallin]
      #5633841 - 01/20/13 07:46 PM

Quote:




mattflastro,

If you claim to be a tech, why do you need to open a MallinCam to copy it? There are copy rights on the circuits design and patents as well in place.


Rock Mallin
MALLINCAM
Ottawa Canada




A search on the USPTO (that's the US Patent and Trademarks Office ) revealed a total number of 0 = ZERO patents for you or your cameras .
But please correct me because I'm hoping to be wrong so please post your US patent numbers if you truly are holding any patents for anything in those cameras .
Incidentally, I do not intend to copy anything in your cameras or to deliberately use your Chinese suppliers , Mintron, Wakayama , Tucsen , GSO , Pixel etc.


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mattflastro
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Reged: 07/31/09

Loc: Brevard County , FL
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: Lorence]
      #5633856 - 01/20/13 07:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I am actually more and more tempted to do this . It might be a compulsion due to the fact that I've been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember.




If that's the case why didn't you just do it? If you are as competent as you would have us believe, you would have it done by now.

I haven't been designing and producing electronics for a living since longer than I care to remember but I managed to put together my observatory with less discussion than what has taken place in this thread. Walk the walk or talk the talk.



Well, I hope you agree it's not too late to do it now, is it ?


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: mattflastro]
      #5634322 - 01/21/13 03:02 AM

There is 0, FCC, IC or European trademarks in place. There is 0 mallincam trademarks in place.

2 thumbs up for trying to pull the wool over our eyes..

2 Thumbs up for trying to make any money any way you can! Especially in this day and age.


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johnnyha
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Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5634591 - 01/21/13 09:46 AM

What the heck is going on here?

Rock Mallin is a great guy, he has responded here with extreme patience and restraint.

And he's Canadian in case you didn't notice, maybe he doesn't care about US Patents?


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dragonslayer1
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Reged: 02/25/12

Loc: SLC, UT
Re: Mallincam Original Wireless Controller for $68 ! new [Re: johnnyha]
      #5635064 - 01/21/13 02:17 PM

The man took His money, His time, His risks and built a company with a very loyal customer group who all seem to like quite and respect Him very much. People buy his product and they like it very well and come back for more, thats free market capitalism at work. Seeing how he took all the risk, produced a product that people like, and seems to be well liked and respected,, hey I hope he makes lots of money

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