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Hilmi
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Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new
      #5625518 - 01/16/13 12:33 AM

OK, first of all some clarification to save you all some some questions:
-That weird white band on the right is my pick-off mirror from my OAG, I didn't realize it needed re-adjustment, must have unlocked it by mistake and sort of moved into the FOV.
-Yes, I don't have enough data, the clouds roll in after only 1 hour of OIII data.


OK, so this is what this is all about, I have been experimenting with roughly approximating natural color using only narrow band filters. So I came up with the idea of using the following for LRGB, I'm sure somebody has tried it before, but to me it's new.

L = Ha
R = Ha
G = OIII
B = OIII

I have 15 10 minute subs for Ha and only 6 for OIII, the image was combined, calibrated stretched and then had some minor smoothing added to reduce image noise, unfortunately, the smoothing also partially kills the crispness of the image.

So, what do you think of my way of doing this? Any suggestions for improving the technique? Is there a better way to approximate natural color purely from narrow band filters?



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Mike Wiles
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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5625581 - 01/16/13 02:24 AM

Hilmi,

It's a good image you have there. Typically in a nebula like this, when you find an abundance of Hydrogen Alpha emission you'll also find Hydrogen Beta emission which is in the blue end of the spectrum. Try mixing the blue channel to be 75% OIII data and 25% H-Alpha data.

Mike


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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5625582 - 01/16/13 02:30 AM

Thanks for the tip, I will try it out soon as I get home.

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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5626195 - 01/16/13 01:24 PM

Looks pretty good! Here's a link to another commonly used technique.
http://www.starrywonders.com/bicolortechniquenew.html


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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: stephen63]
      #5626226 - 01/16/13 01:43 PM

Interesting technique, can't see how to try it without owning photoshop. Mike, I tried your technique and I got some odd gradients that were not there before. I wonder what I did wrong.

I did the combine steps as normal in MaximDL but I adjusted the weighting of the different colors so the blue channel is formed as you had suggested.

Must be due to the bad data.


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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5626282 - 01/16/13 02:17 PM

Looks pretty good! +1 on the tweak of adding a bit of H-a to O-III for the blue channel (simulated H-beta). My recipe for bi-color is L = Ha + OIII, R = Ha, G = OIII, B = OIII + 30% Ha. For some reason that I've never figured out I get odd gradients in my OIII data that doesn't get removed when using conventional flats. I fix this using synthetic flats (flats made from the image itself) before combining my data.

Have fun!


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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test [Re: Hilmi]
      #5626298 - 01/16/13 02:28 PM

The colors came out pretty good with that mix Hilmi! You are getting some nice detail in the horse as well.

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David Ault
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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: rigel123]
      #5627194 - 01/16/13 10:49 PM

Hilmi,

What are you using for processing? Anything with per pixel math operations (i.e. PixInsight) can do this. Depending on what program you are using it may take more steps than Photoshop. You can see the math behind typical blend modes here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blend_modes

They leave out the blend value, which does an alpha blend between the base layer and the new calculated value: [(new*alpha)+{base*(1-alpha)}]
When alpha is 1 (100%) you get only the new calculated value, when it's 0 you get only the base layer. I may have the blend value backwards as I haven't used Photoshop in a long time, but the idea is the same.

Hope this helps.

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David


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Hilmi
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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: David Ault]
      #5627319 - 01/17/13 01:10 AM

I use MaximDL for processing but I have barely scratched the surface of its features. I still need to learn a lot. Il hqve to go dig up the pixel math stuff to see if it is in there

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David Ault
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Re: Bi-Color narrow band imaging test new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5627353 - 01/17/13 02:07 AM

Hilmi,

That isn't to say you need to process it like that. I think the image you've got now is fantastic! Still, it might be fun playing with the pixel math stuff.

Regards,
David


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