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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645102 - 01/26/13 08:43 PM

Then what are you talking about - this is an DSLR forum about astrophotography.

I know exactly what Jerry is asking. Lets go back a few years. Nikon cameras had the annoying ability to automatically use an internal firmware filter that killed stars in your image - treating them as noise.

So Nikons are great cameras with brilliant sensors and fine lens, but those camera were nearly useless for long exposure astrophotographyw without applying various mode hacks. RAW in those Nikons we not actually RAW - some image processing had been done. Canons on the other hand were fine.

So until proper tests are actually done you just can't go round extrapolating daytime photography results into some claim about astrophotography. The camera has to do the right things all down the astrophotography work flow - including unadulterated RAW images suitable for calibration


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: Tonk]
      #5645155 - 01/26/13 09:27 PM

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Then what are you talking about - this is an DSLR forum about astrophotography.

I know exactly what Jerry is asking. Lets go back a few years. Nikon cameras had the annoying ability to automatically use an internal firmware filter that killed stars in your image - treating them as noise.

So Nikons are great cameras with brilliant sensors and fine lens, but those camera were nearly useless for long exposure astrophotographyw without applying various mode hacks. RAW in those Nikons we not actually RAW - some image processing had been done. Canons on the other hand were fine.

So until proper tests are actually done you just can't go round extrapolating daytime photography results into some claim about astrophotography. The camera has to do the right things all down the astrophotography work flow - including unadulterated RAW images suitable for calibration




Yes, but that "star-eating noise reduction" is no longer present on the D5100/D7000.

In case you guys can't remember this:

http://www.eprisephoto.com/nikon-d7000.pdf

That was an article done by someone who, as I recall, is a member here.

Also, what I was talking about, is that you can use any Nikkor lens - on any Nikon camera DSLR or not - in manual mode. It doesn't matter what lens, nor camera. As long as it is an F-mount bayonet it is compatible. That is irrefutable.

Holding Nikon's transgressions of noise reductions in the past against them in the present, despite clear and concise evidence in the form of photos from both cameras (D5100/D7000) displaying absolutely no "star-eating" characteristics, plus their sensor ratings surpassing virtually everyone else in overall quality, should say something.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645350 - 01/27/13 01:09 AM

Steve, I can, and have shot old Nikon, Pentax, and various M42 mount lenses on my Canon Rebel. And I could even use the metering. Even better are the new mirrorless cameras.

Now Nikon's sensor could certainly be the better one overall. But DxoMark is also splitting hairs where they sometimes don't need to be split. This is because no one would care if all new cameras performed within the margin or error of the average user. Even those amazing dynamic range numbers are much less impressive once you compare them at ISO 800-1600.

My next camera could very well be a Nikon, but I don't think it will be because of some Dxomark numbers, or any mainstream daytime photography website numbers. Or I could just get a mono CCD and not worry about what DSLR's come out next.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: harbinjer]
      #5645393 - 01/27/13 02:32 AM

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Steve, I can, and have shot old Nikon, Pentax, and various M42 mount lenses on my Canon Rebel. And I could even use the metering. Even better are the new mirrorless cameras.






And you missed my point. Just like Jerry did.

My point was that you can shoot a 40-year-old Nikkor on any Nikon DSLR WITHOUT the use of an adapter like what is necessary to the same on Canon models.

The astrophotography hobby shouldn't be about who can spend the most on bayonet ring adapters, scopes, mounts, etc. It shouldn't be about the most money spent on every bit of apparatus imaginable. It should be about practicality, and in terms of practicality in DSLR's, Nikon DSLRs exceed Canon's in the respect that no adapter is needed to shoot a 40-year-old Nikkor on a Nikon DSLR because the F-mount bayonet ring is the exact same. My Nikkormat FTns that I have, and the lenses that came with them, are interchangeable with the D5100. (Retroactively the same can't be said for throwing a new AF-S DX Nikkor on a Nikkormat. It'll work, but the aperture will be stopped down)

The sheer reason there are no test results on Nikon DSLRs is because there's still an apparent and unjust negative light being painted to Nikon DSLRs in general due to noise reduction algorithms on earlier models. Those noise reduction algorithms have been completely eliminated in the Nikons being offered now starting with the D5100/D7000 models, and due to the perception of early Nikons, the astrophotography community is hesitant to give Nikon the fair and equal chance it deserves.

I know what the D5100 can do, and I know full well that it can and will surpass any Canon put before it. I shoot with it as the primary camera for my photography business and I've taken five award-winning photos and a host of others that have received wide recognition and publishing rights (including a couple that are being published in the 2014 Ripley's Believe it or Not! annual publication due out in late september/early October). This goes for my two most recent astrophotography images shot with it - the Great Orion Nebula and the Horsehead Nebula shot last week.

Continuing to cast Nikon in a negative light despite the vast improvements in sensor imaging quality on current models is, in my opinion, the most misguided and lopsided approach, and borders on irresponsible.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645477 - 01/27/13 04:51 AM

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Also, what I was talking about, is that you can use any Nikkor lens - on any Nikon camera DSLR or not - in manual mode. It doesn't matter what lens, nor camera. As long as it is an F-mount bayonet it is compatible. That is irrefutable.




I think we all got that quite some time ago. No need to labour the point

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Yes, but that "star-eating noise reduction" is no longer present on the D5100/D7000.




Clearly you too didn't actual read what was said "... Lets go back a few years ... " I was conceding this problem has gone but what else is in the way? is what I'm asking.

My allegorical point was simple. When someone has done an actual study of the camera in very long exposure mode and published figures/report then until then we don't know what the camera is actually capable of for AP.

As Jerry says - simply quoting the camera on its daylight capabilities is flawed.

Maybe this is now going round in circles.

What I'd be really be interested in is any AP shots that anyone has done with this camera. Any pointers?



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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: Tonk]
      #5645521 - 01/27/13 06:02 AM

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My allegorical point was simple. When someone has done an actual study of the camera in very long exposure mode and published figures/report then until then we don't know what the camera is actually capable of for AP.






I already posted one result, from a fellow board member. I think you just skipped over it.

In case you missed it, let's try again:

http://www.eprisephoto.com/nikon-d7000.pdf

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What I'd be really be interested in is any AP shots that anyone has done with this camera. Any pointers?






I've posted several examples on this forum of my works taken with the Nikon D5100. It's not my fault you've missed them.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8385486495_2cd2b55679_b.jpg <--- Horsehead and Flame Nebulas.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8188/8385486513_c40c658163_b.jpg <--- The Great Orion Nebula and Running Man Nebulas.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8185/8105215529_0e52d74e05_b.jpg <--- The Pleiades

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8450/8062245613_f266a1d6f4_b.jpg <---The Andromeda Galaxy..


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645583 - 01/27/13 08:06 AM

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My point was that you can shoot a 40-year-old Nikkor on any Nikon DSLR WITHOUT the use of an adapter like what is necessary to the same on Canon models.

The astrophotography hobby shouldn't be about who can spend the most on bayonet ring adapters, scopes, mounts, etc. It shouldn't be about the most money spent on every bit of apparatus imaginable.




This is a bit overly dramatic don't you think?

The Nikon F to Canon EOS adapter is $16.




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It should be about practicality, and in terms of practicality in DSLR's, Nikon DSLRs exceed Canon's in the respect that no adapter is needed to shoot a 40-year-old Nikkor on a Nikon DSLR because the F-mount bayonet ring is the exact same.




$16 for an adapter is not really a game breaker.


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The sheer reason there are no test results on Nikon DSLRs is because there's still an apparent and unjust negative light being painted to Nikon DSLRs in general due to noise reduction algorithms on earlier models. Those noise reduction algorithms have been completely eliminated in the Nikons being offered now starting with the D5100/D7000 models, and due to the perception of early Nikons, the astrophotography community is hesitant to give Nikon the fair and equal chance it deserves.




No, it's not because the astrophotography community is irrationally prejudiced against Nikon.

It's that these cameras are relatively new and have not been tested yet quantitatively (and not anecdotally) by folks like Roger Clark or Christian Buil who actually know what they are doing.

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I know what the D5100 can do, and I know full well that it can and will surpass any Canon put before it.




How exactly do you know this for a fact for astrophotography? Haven't you admitted that you have not even used a Canon?

It doesn't seem like your opinions are based on fact so much as blind faith.

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I shoot with it as the primary camera for my photography business and I've taken five award-winning photos and a host of others that have received wide recognition and publishing rights (including a couple that are being published in the 2014 Ripley's Believe it or Not! annual publication due out in late september/early October). This goes for my two most recent astrophotography images shot with it - the Great Orion Nebula and the Horsehead Nebula shot last week.




"Ripley's Believe It or Not" is what you are presenting as an objective quantitative source for expertise on long-exposure astrophotography?

Really?

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Continuing to cast Nikon in a negative light despite the vast improvements in sensor imaging quality on current models is, in my opinion, the most misguided and lopsided approach, and borders on irresponsible.




I'm not casting Nikon in a negative light at all.

As I said in my first post, I have used both professionally over the last 35 years. I don't have any emotional attachment to either.

I would not hesitate to pick up a Nikon if it was quantitatively proved to be significantly superior for the specific task of astrophotography.

This has not been demonstrated yet.

Furthermore there are other considerations.

From a practical usability standpoint, something that you make a big deal of with the lenses, to run a Nikon from a computer requires two cables, instead of a single USB cable.

For some reason, Nikon, in its wisdom, doesn't allow exposures longer than 30 seconds with their camera control software (which costs a lot, btw).

So, to use a Nikon controlled by a computer, which is required for dithering, you need an additional cable and additional software, which is an additional expense (which was a big deal to you) and additional layer of complexity and PITA factor and something else that can go wrong.

Additionally, and even if Nikon is not applying a median filter anymore, there is still a question of whether Nikon is still clipping the black point, which is a significant consideration in accurate calibration.

The question of how much, if any, the Nikon sensors (well, actually whoever Nikon is having make their sensors for them) are superior in terms of noise, or final signal-to-noise ratio, in low-light long-exposure astrophotography, remains to be quantitatively answered.

We are not irrationally prejudiced against Nikon. I think most people are smart enough to have an open mind when presented with clear and unambiguous facts, but not just opinions like (to paraphrase) 'Nikon "blows the doors off" Canon in daytime tests, so they must be clearly superior for astrophotography'.

As I have said repeatedly, I've used both Canon and Nikon and I'm not married to either. :-)

Jerry


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645603 - 01/27/13 08:26 AM

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Steve, I can, and have shot old Nikon, Pentax, and various M42 mount lenses on my Canon Rebel. And I could even use the metering. Even better are the new mirrorless cameras.






And you missed my point. Just like Jerry did.

My point was that you can shoot a 40-year-old Nikkor on any Nikon DSLR WITHOUT the use of an adapter like what is necessary to the same on Canon models.

The astrophotography hobby shouldn't be about who can spend the most on bayonet ring adapters, scopes, mounts, etc. It shouldn't be about the most money spent on every bit of apparatus imaginable. It should be about practicality, and in terms of practicality in DSLR's, Nikon DSLRs exceed Canon's in the respect that no adapter is needed to shoot a 40-year-old Nikkor on a Nikon DSLR because the F-mount bayonet ring is the exact same. My Nikkormat FTns that I have, and the lenses that came with them, are interchangeable with the D5100. (Retroactively the same can't be said for throwing a new AF-S DX Nikkor on a Nikkormat. It'll work, but the aperture will be stopped down)

The sheer reason there are no test results on Nikon DSLRs is because there's still an apparent and unjust negative light being painted to Nikon DSLRs in general due to noise reduction algorithms on earlier models. Those noise reduction algorithms have been completely eliminated in the Nikons being offered now starting with the D5100/D7000 models, and due to the perception of early Nikons, the astrophotography community is hesitant to give Nikon the fair and equal chance it deserves.

I know what the D5100 can do, and I know full well that it can and will surpass any Canon put before it. I shoot with it as the primary camera for my photography business and I've taken five award-winning photos and a host of others that have received wide recognition and publishing rights (including a couple that are being published in the 2014 Ripley's Believe it or Not! annual publication due out in late september/early October). This goes for my two most recent astrophotography images shot with it - the Great Orion Nebula and the Horsehead Nebula shot last week.

Continuing to cast Nikon in a negative light despite the vast improvements in sensor imaging quality on current models is, in my opinion, the most misguided and lopsided approach, and borders on irresponsible.




Steve - Wow...I think that your approach here isn't going to help the cause. As with any product, once a perception is in place, it takes a lot to change it. Unfortunately, AP software support for Nikon has been virtually non existant although that looks to be changing and may be the catalyst to get people interested.

I am a Nikon user who has no desire to switch and have been using my D50 even though it's quite noisy. I searched for capture software and found TetherPro to provide the basic functionality I needed, specifically moving files to the laptop, being able to use the laptop to view subs, zoom in to help focus and a histogram to help with exposure length. I contacted Todd Gibbs, the creator of TetherPro and suggested some improvements to make it better for AP. He said he'd get back to me....that was a year ago. Now, Guylain is creating a Nikon version of BackyardEOS that I expect will get a lot of attention.

A few months ago I purchased an Atik CCD mono camera primarily for narrowband imaging but still use and enjoy the DSLR. I use Sequence Generator Pro with the CCD and have asked the creators to add nikon support (it supports Canon). They just released a new version and asked what three features users would most like to see in the next one. When I voted, Nikon support was on the list and had a couple of votes already so I'm hopeful that it will be added soon.

I think those things, plus just getting images and showing them here will be the best thing. We need more modded D5100's out there. I would love to have one myself but having spent the money on a CCD, filters, filter wheel, etc., and the fact that my modded D50 still works, I am reluctant to spend another $800 right now.

If you want to help, send yours to Brent Oliver for the mod and keep posting your images.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: Jerry Lodriguss]
      #5645609 - 01/27/13 08:36 AM

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From a practical usability standpoint, something that you make a big deal of with the lenses, to run a Nikon from a computer requires two cables, instead of a single USB cable.

For some reason, Nikon, in its wisdom, doesn't allow exposures longer than 30 seconds with their camera control software (which costs a lot, btw).

So, to use a Nikon controlled by a computer, which is required for dithering, you need an additional cable and additional software, which is an additional expense (which was a big deal to you) and additional layer of complexity and PITA factor and something else that can go wrong.

Additionally, and even if Nikon is not applying a median filter anymore, there is still a question of whether Nikon is still clipping the black point, which is a significant consideration in accurate calibration.

The question of how much, if any, the Nikon sensors (well, actually whoever Nikon is having make their sensors for them) are superior in terms of noise, or final signal-to-noise ratio, in low-light long-exposure astrophotography, remains to be quantitatively answered.

We are not irrationally prejudiced against Nikon. I think most people are smart enough to have an open mind when presented with clear and unambiguous facts, but not just opinions like (to paraphrase) 'Nikon "blows the doors off" Canon in daytime tests, so they must be clearly superior for astrophotography'.

As I have said repeatedly, I've used both Canon and Nikon and I'm not married to either. :-)

Jerry




I'd hate to see this thread locked because it has the most discussion of Nikon I've seen in a long time but, Jerry, I have to ask...what is your beef about needing two cables with a Nikon? I've seen you bring that up many times as though it is a real issue. I've never has a problem using a USB cable and the shutter control cable so I've always wondered.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645633 - 01/27/13 08:53 AM

Not to gang up on Steve, my point is simple...we are talking astrophotography (AP) and Canon has 'little' to show for (i.e., 20Da, 60Da) while Nikon has 'nothing'. I think there is enough blame to go around for both Canon and Nikon; may be little less for Canon. What really needs to happen is if either was serious about AP they would produce a serious DSLR camera for AP that was better than all the mods of the day and one that would even challenge mono CCD while staying in color space [since the ‘total pixel’ war seems to have been won by DSLR].

Serious’ CCDs (i.e., mono) are bulky, clunky, boxy, and color blind while ‘yet not so serious’ DSLRs are slim, agile, figured, and color sensitive; a serious effort is needed by both Canon and Nikon to close the mono CCD gap, while introducing needed AP innovation within existing DSLR space. I am NOT advocating DSLR somehow becoming CCD like; what I am saying is that color DSLR has the potential to challenge mono CCD if serious AP effort was made by Canon or Nikon. I am definitely NOT advocating mono DSLR; that would be a step back in my opinion.

If you were a CCDer, you would laugh at both Canon and Nikon in terms of what they have done for AP; if you were a DSLRer, you would keep wondering when/how to make the switch to mono CCD, very reluctantly though, and leave this petty debate behind.

Folks, why don't we say it like it is and tell Canons and Nikons of the world it is time they got serious about AP? Thx


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: terry59]
      #5645634 - 01/27/13 08:53 AM

Right now, finances are very tight for me and my D5100 is my only DSLR and it's also the one I use for my photography business in general. I have no plans on ever having it modified and I am not one of the persuasion that thinks you should have to have a DSLR modified for the purpose of astrophotography, as there are plenty of exceptional astrophotographs taken without modded DSLRs.

That and I just don't foresee having the financial resources to even buy a spare D5100 body to even consider having that done - for a very, very long time. At least until business starts to pick back up and I can make that sort of discretionary expense.

Also, I am sorry if people think I'm harsh on the subject of the D5100/D7000, but as an accomplished and award-winning photographer who makes a major portion of my living on freelance and portrait photography, I tend to have at least a little bit of technical knowledge in the matter. Especially since when I was in the purchasing process, I considered the 5D MkII and the D5100/D7000 and when I read the reviews of the D5100's performance outweighing the former, well, the rest is history. And seeing as how we already have one established review of the D7000, that should at least count for something - and that same review (which I've posted above) should also count just as equally for the D5100 as they both share the exact same Sony sensor.

Another contributing reason why I am not-so-keen on modding my D5100, is because of the sheer fact I live in a location where I technically don't see the need for it. Sky conditions here where I live without moonlight and clouds are almost at the boundary between 1 and two on the Bortle dark sky chart. If Venus is in a gibbous phase and it's high in the sky before twilight, it'll be bright enough to cast shadows on the walls of the house. Even glow from the Milky Way is enough to light things up a bit here.





As for posting more photos, I definitely plan on doing so shall I be afforded decent weather opportunity as the last few months have been dismal. I want to raise awareness that Nikon isn't such a bad choice for DSLRs anymore, and I also want to raise awareness in the community that they possibly stand to at least be a strong competitor to Canon, if not causing Canon to compete, given the fact that all of Nikon's newest models are knocking the socks off the competition. That to me, as a professional photographer, speaks volumes to how Nikon has vastly improved their imaging sensor quality over the last several years.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: terry59]
      #5645643 - 01/27/13 09:06 AM

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From a practical usability standpoint, something that you make a big deal of with the lenses, to run a Nikon from a computer requires two cables, instead of a single USB cable.

For some reason, Nikon, in its wisdom, doesn't allow exposures longer than 30 seconds with their camera control software (which costs a lot, btw).

So, to use a Nikon controlled by a computer, which is required for dithering, you need an additional cable and additional software, which is an additional expense (which was a big deal to you) and additional layer of complexity and PITA factor and something else that can go wrong.

Additionally, and even if Nikon is not applying a median filter anymore, there is still a question of whether Nikon is still clipping the black point, which is a significant consideration in accurate calibration.

The question of how much, if any, the Nikon sensors (well, actually whoever Nikon is having make their sensors for them) are superior in terms of noise, or final signal-to-noise ratio, in low-light long-exposure astrophotography, remains to be quantitatively answered.

We are not irrationally prejudiced against Nikon. I think most people are smart enough to have an open mind when presented with clear and unambiguous facts, but not just opinions like (to paraphrase) 'Nikon "blows the doors off" Canon in daytime tests, so they must be clearly superior for astrophotography'.

As I have said repeatedly, I've used both Canon and Nikon and I'm not married to either. :-)

Jerry




I'd hate to see this thread locked because it has the most discussion of Nikon I've seen in a long time but, Jerry, I have to ask...what is your beef about needing two cables with a Nikon? I've seen you bring that up many times as though it is a real issue. I've never has a problem using a USB cable and the shutter control cable so I've always wondered.




I have two cables coming out of my camera. The cable release for exposures longer than 30 seconds and the A/C power adapter. I definitely would not mind a third, seeing as how I shoot with a Meade LX-5 with the Computer-Assisted Telescope push-to system - which adds loads of cabling enough as it is.

Additionally, I already have that Nikon camera control software. I bought it along with my D5100. I just don't use it hardly because, personally, I'd rather do things manually, the way things were done before the age of the DSLR.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645680 - 01/27/13 09:35 AM

I have an AC cable and the USB coming from my Canon. I would love to eliminate the cables. Not only would it save setup time, but it would prevent snags and not wave in the wind.

The 6D seems interesting with this feature, but still needs powered AC. I dont think a grip will last a whole winter night. So theres still a cable, but one less.

My guess is shortly, all DSLR's will have WIFi.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: terry59]
      #5645696 - 01/27/13 09:49 AM

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I'd hate to see this thread locked because it has the most discussion of Nikon I've seen in a long time but, Jerry, I have to ask...what is your beef about needing two cables with a Nikon? I've seen you bring that up many times as though it is a real issue. I've never has a problem using a USB cable and the shutter control cable so I've always wondered.




Hi Terry,

It's not a beef really, just an aggravation.

There is no reason Nikon can't support a control with a single USB cable, and yet they don't.

An additional cable is something else to get snagged, or broken, and something else that can go wrong.

It's not a big deal, but when Steve specifically cites "It should be about practicality, and in terms of practicality in DSLR's, Nikon DSLRs exceed Canon's...", then I mention this aspect of Nikon's "practicality".

Jerry


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: Jerry Lodriguss]
      #5645753 - 01/27/13 10:23 AM

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I'd hate to see this thread locked because it has the most discussion of Nikon I've seen in a long time but, Jerry, I have to ask...what is your beef about needing two cables with a Nikon? I've seen you bring that up many times as though it is a real issue. I've never has a problem using a USB cable and the shutter control cable so I've always wondered.




Hi Terry,

It's not a beef really, just an aggravation.

There is no reason Nikon can't support a control with a single USB cable, and yet they don't.

An additional cable is something else to get snagged, or broken, and something else that can go wrong.

It's not a big deal, but when Steve specifically cites "It should be about practicality, and in terms of practicality in DSLR's, Nikon DSLRs exceed Canon's...", then I mention this aspect of Nikon's "practicality".

Jerry




Hi Jerry - Thanks for the response. I understand and respect your opinion here and hope that you'll be trying Guylain's Nikon software when it comes out. Your voice can have a significant impact


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5645770 - 01/27/13 10:33 AM

Hey Steve - I understand your position on getting the camera modified. It's the same as Anna Morris's. Many do use a modded camera though, so some images with one would help. I'm pretty sure I'll bite the bullet and get one....the noise from my D50 is aggravating and limits what I'm willing to shoot and I'm not going to spend thousands on a large sensor CCD.

I'm looking forward to more images from you. You have real talent.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: terry59]
      #5646697 - 01/27/13 06:54 PM

I must admit being a Nikon user I enjoyed the discussion. I have a D5100 and recently had it modified by Brent Oliver. Unfortunately, the weather here has been worse than bad and I haven't had the opportunity to take any AP's. However, I did go birding yesterday and using CWB got some excellent shots, so the modification didn't detract from my daytime use.

Although I have a Nikon, I really feel that its more important to use what you have and get out and image - should the clouds ever clear. Whether one brand needs an extra adapter or the other an extra cable really doesn't matter too much. This reminds me of the chevy/ford discussions we used to have when I was a teenager. Still, I must admit as a Nikon user, I did get tired of every new user being advised to get a Canon without Nikon even being considered. For awhile I thought Terry59 and I were the only Nikon users, so its nice to see others realizing their potential. Still, I think both brands can now take some fantastic AP images and that's all that counts.

I will post some images with my modified D5100 as soon as I can - weather permitting. However, I am a fairly new imager and would hate to be the "example" of what a modified D5100 can do. So, would more of you D5100/D7000 Nikon users please get your cameras modified. Brent Oliver did mine and he was great to work with.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: TimN]
      #5646724 - 01/27/13 07:08 PM

I have to agree with Tim here. Use what you have and/or buy what feel is right for you. Any recent Canon or Nikon will do wonders. The rest will fall into place.

Guylain


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: TimN]
      #5646738 - 01/27/13 07:18 PM

Quote:

I must admit being a Nikon user I enjoyed the discussion. I have a D5100 and recently had it modified by Brent Oliver. Unfortunately, the weather here has been worse than bad and I haven't had the opportunity to take any AP's. However, I did go birding yesterday and using CWB got some excellent shots, so the modification didn't detract from my daytime use.

Although I have a Nikon, I really feel that its more important to use what you have and get out and image - should the clouds ever clear. Whether one brand needs an extra adapter or the other an extra cable really doesn't matter too much. This reminds me of the chevy/ford discussions we used to have when I was a teenager. Still, I must admit as a Nikon user, I did get tired of every new user being advised to get a Canon without Nikon even being considered. For awhile I thought Terry59 and I were the only Nikon users, so its nice to see others realizing their potential. Still, I think both brands can now take some fantastic AP images and that's all that counts.

I will post some images with my modified D5100 as soon as I can - weather permitting. However, I am a fairly new imager and would hate to be the "example" of what a modified D5100 can do. So, would more of you D5100/D7000 Nikon users please get your cameras modified. Brent Oliver did mine and he was great to work with.




LOL, seems like you've contracted Astronomer's Curse alright. Happens with every upgrade/new equipment purchase in my experience!

As far as your sentiment of seeing every new user being recommended or advised to buy a Canon without no consideration to Nikon, I wholeheartedly agree. I am more than annoyed by it.

As for getting my existing camera modded, not yet, at least until I've got a spare body. And like I said, that might not happen for a while, so I'll continue posting photos - weather permitting - taken with my unmodified D5100.


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Re: Nikon DSLR is having a new image sensor supplier new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #5647938 - 01/28/13 11:52 AM

Well, I have joined Guylain and placed an order with Jim at Icodome to support this project. We will see what this camera is able achieve compared to Canons.

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