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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: Starhawk]
      #6045056 - 08/25/13 11:50 AM

Yes it's a shame. I tried it with my NS GPS and it doesn't find the camera. I've no idea if this can be fixed with some sort of software fix but wouldn't be hopeful because I think the Aux ports are handled differently in the GPS.

Chris


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: cn register 5]
      #6045083 - 08/25/13 12:12 PM

I wonder if a small bridge adapter could be made to do it, then.

-Rich


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: Starhawk]
      #6045135 - 08/25/13 12:57 PM

This looks like a good question for TeamCelestron.

Chris


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: cn register 5]
      #6045151 - 08/25/13 01:02 PM

Do you need to re-align after doing manual adjustment of the latitude and azimuth bolts to achieve polar alignment using ASPA for example?

Thanks,

George


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: ghataa]
      #6045179 - 08/25/13 01:20 PM

After you adjust the lat. or Az. bolts during a polar alignment you need to put your mount back to home position then turn it off then back on and redo the alignment.

Neilson


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: neilson]
      #6045761 - 08/25/13 07:06 PM

Nielsen

Not sure u have to power down and up again.
Just do a realignment again without turning the mount off


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: neilson]
      #6045763 - 08/25/13 07:06 PM

Regarding the NexstarGPS not working with the StarSense, it is spelled out pretty plainly on the product main page for StarSense.

Maybe I am being a bit thick, but why bother Celestron, or Team Celestron with a workaround, when they are already specifically tasked on long-delayed projects. Seems to me that I wouldn't give it a whole lot of thought once I realized my gear wasn't current enough to work with the new toys.

Maybe it is time to upgrade on the user side of the equation?

Andy


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: HowardK]
      #6046084 - 08/25/13 10:06 PM

I wasn't sure because at the end of the Polar alignment procedure it just says for best accuracy preform another Starsense Auto Align. Last line page 15 of the manual under Polar Align. It doesn't mention if you need to turn it off or not.
But on the bottom of page 12 it says after the calibration process realignment required. Then it says turn the telescope off then on again. Then on page 13 it says now perform another Starsense Auto Alignment.
I'm guessing it might not matter if you don't turn it off like you said. I have a CGE and it has switches for home positioning. After I send it back to the home position then I always turn it off then on to reset everything and erase the old alignment.
But that is probably not necessary like you said.

Neilson


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: neilson]
      #6046320 - 08/26/13 01:44 AM

Anyone had any experience with the align process locking up? It happens quite frequently for me. I have to hit "back" to get it to unstick and continue.

Another question, I did the auto align and then added calibration stars until it said it was done. I believe that is 10 points? Then I slewed to a star "altair" and initiated the polar align. It asked me to make the corrections to alt/az and when I was finished I noticed the star drifting!! So I quickly enabled the drift alignment helper in backyardeos so I could see it and sure enough, horrible drift. What did happen that could explain it was that when I selected to slew to altair the first time it was on one side of the meridian then when I pressed enter to start it slewed all the way back around (Meridian flip) and asked for the corrections. If it was way off and I had to make the corrections it would have made the pole align even further off.


Edited by Whichwayisnorth (08/26/13 01:48 AM)


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: budman1961]
      #6046382 - 08/26/13 04:02 AM

Quote:

Regarding the NexstarGPS not working with the StarSense, it is spelled out pretty plainly on the product main page for StarSense.

Maybe I am being a bit thick, but why bother Celestron, or Team Celestron with a workaround, when they are already specifically tasked on long-delayed projects. Seems to me that I wouldn't give it a whole lot of thought once I realized my gear wasn't current enough to work with the new toys.

Maybe it is time to upgrade on the user side of the equation?

Andy



I think Celestron would like to have it work and initially the GPS scopes were on the compatible list. They seem to have come off in response to the beta testers reports that it didn't work.

Asking will do no harm and who knows, it may be a ten minute fix.

Or it may be possible to plug a dual port splitter in one aux port of a GPS scope and try that with the SS camera and HC both plugged into it. Another 5 minute test if you have the kit to hand.

We have no reason to complain if it can't be done, after all the GPS scopes have been out of production for nearly 10 years now.

Chris


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6046385 - 08/26/13 04:09 AM

Quote:

Anyone had any experience with the align process locking up? It happens quite frequently for me. I have to hit "back" to get it to unstick and continue




Can you describe exactly where in the align process you see the lock up. What does the display show? Is it looking at the sky or an obstruction? Or is there something about the sky that may give it problems, such as looking at the moon?

It will really help everyone if you post your experiences on the TeamCelestron site. That way the developers can get the feedback they need to fix any problems.

Chris

Edited by cn register 5 (08/26/13 04:10 AM)


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: cn register 5]
      #6046457 - 08/26/13 06:41 AM

Whichway....

Next time with polar alignment would you choose a star not so close to the meridian to avoid the drift you have encountered?.

SS locking up whilst aligning is not good.....something for TeamCelestron to know about I would think.

Keep us posted please.


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: neilson]
      #6046458 - 08/26/13 06:43 AM

Quote:

I wasn't sure because at the end of the Polar alignment procedure it just says for best accuracy preform another Starsense Auto Align. Last line page 15 of the manual under Polar Align. It doesn't mention if you need to turn it off or not.
But on the bottom of page 12 it says after the calibration process
realignment required. Then it says turn the telescope off then on again. Then on page 13 it says now perform another Starsense Auto Alignment.
I'm guessing it might not matter if you don't turn it off like you said. I have a CGE and it has switches for home positioning. After I send it back to the
home position then I always turn it off then on to reset everything and erase
the old alignment.
But that is probably not necessary like you said.



Can anyone explain this need to turn the mount off then on again after the calibration process?
Is this necessary with a CGE PRO?

Neilson




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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: budman1961]
      #6046709 - 08/26/13 10:32 AM

Quote:



Maybe I am being a bit thick, but why bother Celestron, or Team Celestron with a workaround




No reason unless you have a GPS scope and want to use this.

The GPSes are not different enough from the current CPCs to make this a huge problem. If they don't want to do it, they won't; if they do they will. I say, "ask."


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: HowardK]
      #6046894 - 08/26/13 12:18 PM

Hi,
I would like to clarify The need to turn it off and on after the calibration is after the "initial" calibration of the unit to line it up with the scope. You don't need to turn it off/on after you add calibration stars to the alignment.

Neilson


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: cn register 5]
      #6046930 - 08/26/13 12:32 PM

Quote:


Can you describe exactly where in the align process you see the lock up. What does the display show? Is it looking at the sky or an obstruction? Or is there something about the sky that may give it problems, such as looking at the moon?

Chris




I can do better than describe, I'll show you. Just give me some time to get it put together.

No obstructions at all. Very clear skies. Moon not up yet. Give me an hour and I'll have a link for you.

Edit: Here is part 1 http://youtu.be/Nt6ICodv86c I have about 45 minutes of footage with several more lock ups doing different things at different times. I'll add more links as I go.

Edited by Whichwayisnorth (08/26/13 01:26 PM)


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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6047081 - 08/26/13 02:18 PM

Hmmm...yeah, it's definitely home to a bug. One question...you hit the back key and it continues. Does a good alignment result?

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Re: Celestron StarSense new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6047082 - 08/26/13 02:18 PM

Interesting that it happens at the same position each time, on it's way to the fourth position. My AVX doesn't do this.

Please report this to TeamCelestron. The developers will be want to see this.

Chris


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Re: Celestron StarSense [Re: cn register 5]
      #6047112 - 08/26/13 02:35 PM

Whichway...

What mount r u using?


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Re: Celestron StarSense [Re: rmollise]
      #6047265 - 08/26/13 04:06 PM

Quote:

Hmmm...yeah, it's definitely home to a bug. One question...you hit the back key and it continues. Does a good alignment result?




Not positive but it looks like it is off by more than when it works correctly the first time. eg, the target is not in the FOV but just outside. A good run through typically puts it in the FOV every time although not as centered as I'd like and no better than 2+4.


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