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droid
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A naging ( naglering? )
      #5669742 - 02/08/13 08:45 PM

in a few weeks when I know my income tax check is here, I want ot invest in at least one good ep and maybe two,if the price is right.
But.......I really want a nagler at the 12mm spot.
Looking in the SandS forum, and classifieds, I see 12mm type 1 - 2- and 4 I assume there are no type 3s?

Firstly what are the differances? secondly would the differances be noticeable to some one who has purchased his first ever premium ep?

And assuming when I run the add, I can afford two, what would be my next in line 6 -7- etc?


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: droid]
      #5669831 - 02/08/13 09:53 PM

Andy,
Tom T. did a great review on the different Nagler types a few years ago on CN. Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can get you a link. I'll be right back!


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Scott in NC]
      #5669837 - 02/08/13 09:56 PM

Actually, that took much less time to find than I thought. Here you go: link.

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Scott in NC]
      #5669841 - 02/08/13 09:58 PM

Here's some more info on the subject, also by Tom T.: link.

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Scott in NC]
      #5669847 - 02/08/13 10:00 PM

...and still more: link.

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Scott in NC]
      #5669862 - 02/08/13 10:08 PM Attachment (15 downloads)

Specificly looking at the 12mm
12T4
Inadjust is a bit funky not that bad
Hard to see FS without blackout issues
eyeplacement is a bit tricky

12T2
shorter eyerelief but easy to see FS and no blackouts
Less immesive than the T4
tad less transmission

Like both but liked the T2 more


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Tank]
      #5670138 - 02/09/13 04:29 AM

Andy. Even though you have specified that you would like a 12mm, unless you need to observe wearing glasses, I would highly recommend the 13mm t6 Nagler. Its smaller, lighter, less expensive & arguably slightly sharper than the 12mm!

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Damo636]
      #5670213 - 02/09/13 07:03 AM

Quote:

Andy. Even though you have specified that you would like a 12mm, unless you need to observe wearing glasses, I would highly recommend the 13mm t6 Nagler. Its smaller, lighter, less expensive & arguably slightly sharper than the 12mm!




Or the 11mm T6. I have a 12mm T-2 but I think the T-6s have better coatings.

Jon


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5670226 - 02/09/13 07:29 AM

They look sweet , but one of my criteria is I want all my eps to be 2 inch ready.
When using my 16 I find going up and down the ladder irritating, worse yet looking for the adaptor in the dark, lol.
Secondly Ive seen the type 2s used for 200 or a bit more.
Ive not yet seen the type 6s used for that price.


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: droid]
      #5670232 - 02/09/13 07:33 AM

The older Naglers are wonderful eyepieces. The 12,16 and 20 mm T2 Naglers are bit big and heavy compared to their current T4, T5 and T6 equivalents. But they have great character. I am not a great fan of the T6's. I like the originals and T2's better. My favorite of them all is the 20 Nagler T2. I also have the current 22 T4, but after doing a side by side in my 102mm f/8 fluorite a few nights ago, I must say the 20 T2 rules supreme. Visibly sharper and with better full field correction, it delivers pinpoint stars like no other in that focal range. And in my 16" f/5 Newt the effect is even stronger. So I enjoy great views without a ParaCorr! In the shorter 16 and 12 mm f.l. I recommend the Zeiss Victory WideField eyepieces. They are the best I have seen in that f.l. range and deliver stunning fields and wonderful viewing characteristics. They are in the same pricerange as the Naglers.

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5670288 - 02/09/13 08:30 AM

I own a 12T4. I do not find any eye placement issues.Once you spend a little time with it you learn where to exactly place your eye you will have absolutely no problem.I did not notice any blackout issues and i really liked the Instadjust.It was my,also,first premium eyepiece and i am extremely satisfied from it! You cannot go wrong with that one!

Clear skies!

Edited by gregory93 (02/09/13 08:31 AM)


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5670321 - 02/09/13 08:59 AM

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The 12,16 and 20 mm T2 Naglers are bit big and heavy compared to their current T4, T5 and T6 equivalents.




I happen to own these three, I think they are good eyepieces but I think they are down on transmission and have a fair amount internal reflections when viewing the planets. I don't have other Naglers at these focal lengths but I have the 9mm type 6 and the 31mm and they seem to be a little more refined than the type 2s.

Jon


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5670344 - 02/09/13 09:22 AM

I didn't really enjoy the 9 N T6 I had. Great transmission and sharp, but kidney beans . I had the 7 N T1 which I found a stunner. I also enjoyed the sharp and contrasty little 16 N T5. Nowadays I only use the 20mm Nagler T2, Zeiss 16.7mm and Zeiss 12.8mm in mono mode for deep sky and whole disk solar/lunar observing. For higher magnifications, I exclusively use my BinoVue. Hence I sold all my shorter f.l. eyepieces.

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5670464 - 02/09/13 10:31 AM

Quote:

I didn't really enjoy the 9 N T6 I had.




I felt the same way that you did, although not for any specific reason that I can easily describe. It was actually a great EP, with excellent transmission, and I really didn't have notice any major issues like kidney-beaning. But I found a good deal on a Nagler 9T1 around the same time, and found the 9T1 much more "comfortable" to use than the 9T6. Plus I liked the idea that the 9T1 has a dual 1.25" / 2" barrel, so I can use it with or without an adapter. So I sold the 9T6 off, and the 9T1 remains a keeper.


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: gregory93]
      #5670466 - 02/09/13 10:32 AM

Quote:

I own a 12T4. I do not find any eye placement issues.Once you spend a little time with it you learn where to exactly place your eye you will have absolutely no problem.I did not notice any blackout issues and i really liked the Instadjust.It was my,also,first premium eyepiece and i am extremely satisfied from it! You cannot go wrong with that one!

Clear skies!



+1 to everything you just said. I think that this may have been my first Nagler as well, and it remains a keeper for me.


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: droid]
      #5670627 - 02/09/13 12:13 PM

Andy, Antares makes a twistlock adapter for 1.25" to 2" applications. They're fairly cheap compared to the cost of a Nagler to have one on each EP. I too, don't like fumbling in the dark if I don't need :-)

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Scott in NC]
      #5670629 - 02/09/13 12:15 PM

You won't have any issue with the 12mm T4 Nagler. It's comfortable to use with or without glasses, and the eyecup is easily raised to whatever position you feel comfortable with.
Even if you view without glasses, you may have friends or relatives that do use glasses, and the eyecup can go up and down instantly, making accommodation for any user very easy.
And, unlike the T1s, the exit pupil is easier to maintain without any blackouts so long as the eyecup is properly positioned.


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5670762 - 02/09/13 01:30 PM Attachment (8 downloads)

Here is a pic of the eyepieces I mentioned: 22 Nagler T4, 20 Nagler T2, Zeiss Victory Ww 16.7+ 2" adapter, Zeiss Victory Ww 12.8.

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5670860 - 02/09/13 02:38 PM

Never heard of the Zeiss Victory eye pieces before, I think this is the first Ive heard of them. Not quite the classic ep look,lol, more the industrial no fuss no muss look. Nothing wrong with that mind you.
I guess Ill see whats available on the used market when the time comes as new prices are out of my range.

You ever do a review on the Zeiss eps??????


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: droid]
      #5670923 - 02/09/13 03:35 PM Attachment (7 downloads)

Quote:

They look sweet , but one of my criteria is I want all my eps to be 2 inch ready.
When using my 16 I find going up and down the ladder irritating, worse yet looking for the adaptor in the dark, lol.
Secondly Ive seen the type 2s used for 200 or a bit more.
Ive not yet seen the type 6s used for that price.

--------------------
Andy Miller




Problem solved!


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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: droid]
      #5671147 - 02/09/13 06:15 PM

I love my Nagler 12 T4. Have you considered the new Delos eyepieces?

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Re: A naging ( naglering? ) new [Re: droid]
      #5672166 - 02/10/13 11:22 AM

Explore scientific 100 AFOV eyepieces are very good also. Yo may be able to buy 2 for the price of one Nagler/Ethos.

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