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MikeBOKC
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CNN -- duh! new
      #5674442 - 02/11/13 04:56 PM

CNN anchor asks Bill Nye if recent asteroid flyby was caused by global warming:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/cnn-anchor-wonders-bill-nye-did...

Ah the dense popular media and science . . .


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photonovore
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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5674709 - 02/11/13 07:55 PM

Bill Nye is just as bad with less of an excuse...parroting that 'city killer'/Tunguska hype--and he even tacked on the Barringer crater for good measure! LOL! I have been waiting for someone to do that...

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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: photonovore]
      #5675138 - 02/12/13 01:28 AM

I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?

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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5675140 - 02/12/13 01:29 AM

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CNN anchor asks Bill Nye if recent asteroid flyby was caused by global warming:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-02/cnn-anchor-wonders-bill-nye-did...

Ah the dense popular media and science . . .




Oh, that's just a simple example of the gap between the media and science which has been going on for many decades. I remember watching coverage of the flyby of Pioneer 11 past Saturn in September of 1979, and a lady doing an interview of one of the project scientists asked something like, "In view of the recent Three Mile Island disaster, what is the concern about Pioneer 11's nuclear power source coming back to Earth after the Saturn encounter?". After hearing that, I just sat there stunned.....


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5675247 - 02/12/13 04:32 AM

There is an Old saying. "You just can't fix STUPID"

Also as Sargent Friday used to say in Dragnet,or paraphrase,"The Facts -Just the Facts"

CNN as well as many other News outlets are becoming more like the National Enquireror.
Sorry for the poor grammer, I deal with dislexia..


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Mike Casey]
      #5675373 - 02/12/13 07:56 AM

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I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?




#1 - Why would they do that? The government response would be to prepare as best as possible, and the more time and warning we have the more people we could save.

#2 - How would they do that? Any astronomer who tracks it can calculate the orbit. Every country has professional astronomers, and you would have to keep all of them silent. Do you think that every professional astronomer in the world is willing to be part of a conspiracy to cover up an event like this?

Jarad


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Jarad]
      #5675435 - 02/12/13 09:19 AM

And all you would need is one "news" type to catch a whiff and it would spread like wildfire!

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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5675643 - 02/12/13 11:29 AM

Quote:

There is an Old saying. "You just can't fix STUPID"

Also as Sargent Friday used to say in Dragnet,or paraphrase,"The Facts -Just the Facts"

CNN as well as many other News outlets are becoming more like the National Enquireror.
Sorry for the poor grammer, I deal with dislexia..




LOL


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photonovore
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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Mike Casey]
      #5675660 - 02/12/13 11:41 AM

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I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?




I can't imagine why? In the case of an impactor that was subject to mitigation (such as DA14 if it were to be on an impact path), they would get a lot more good PR out of extensively publicizing the impending impact as well as the measures they could and would make happen to prevent/mitigate it. Maybe they could get Bruce Willis to do the public service ads...


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: photonovore]
      #5675780 - 02/12/13 12:46 PM

At least CNN is covering the flyby, more then I can say about the other two large cable networks.

Not a big fan of Bill Nye but he is at least not as obnoxious as Phil Plait. Nye did a lot of good with his old children's program back in the day.

I agree with others, it would be pretty hard to hide a possible impact from the public if someone had observed the object and determined the orbit.


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: photonovore]
      #5675836 - 02/12/13 01:14 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?




I can't imagine why? In the case of an impactor that was subject to mitigation (such as DA14 if it were to be on an impact path), they would get a lot more good PR out of extensively publicizing the impending impact as well as the measures they could and would make happen to prevent/mitigate it. Maybe they could get Bruce Willis to do the public service ads...




It may depend on the amount of time before the impact. The impact of 2008 TC3 was only briefed to the white house, but there was only 20 hours from discovery to impact.


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Jarad]
      #5675852 - 02/12/13 01:22 PM

Quote:

Quote:


I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?




#1 - Why would they do that? The government response would be to prepare as best as possible, and the more time and warning we have the more people we could save.

#2 - How would they do that? Any astronomer who tracks it can calculate the orbit. Every country has professional astronomers, and you would have to keep all of them silent. Do you think that every professional astronomer in the world is willing to be part of a conspiracy to cover up an event like this?

Jarad




Thanks, Jared. I was trying to think of a kind comment to make to the original quote. My thoughts were, "Oh good grief!" But you handled it well.


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: D_talley]
      #5675857 - 02/12/13 01:23 PM

*good lord* {pounds head into wall)

-drl


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5675915 - 02/12/13 01:56 PM

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I remember watching coverage of the flyby of Pioneer 11 past Saturn in September of 1979, and a lady doing an interview of one of the project scientists asked something like, "In view of the recent Three Mile Island disaster, what is the concern about Pioneer 11's nuclear power source coming back to Earth after the Saturn encounter?". After hearing that, I just sat there stunned.....




Clearly she missed the real risk of these probes. Just wait until Voyager returns in the 23rd century as V'Ger!


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: photonovore]
      #5676205 - 02/12/13 04:27 PM

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Bill Nye is just as bad with less of an excuse...parroting that 'city killer'/Tunguska hype--and he even tacked on the Barringer crater for good measure! LOL! I have been waiting for someone to do that...




Please bring me up to speed. Just what was wrong in Nye mentioning those events?

http://www.space.com/19733-asteroid-2012-da14-earth-flyby-faq.html

NASA astronomers have compared the size of this asteroid with the one that caused the "Tunguska Event" over Siberia in 1908 that leveled trees across 825 square miles (2,137 square km).

Instead of smacking into the Earth's surface, asteroid 2012 DA14 would likely explode in midair, likely destroying whatever happens to be underneath it over a wide swath.


Dave Mitsky


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #5676353 - 02/12/13 05:43 PM

Earlier this morning I looked at this video on CNN and I noticed that they now start it AFTER the silly question!

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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Mike Casey]
      #5676538 - 02/12/13 08:29 PM

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I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?




Given some of the replies to your post, Mike, it would seem a lot of people have more confidence than we do in the government serving us rather than themselves.


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photonovore
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Re: CNN -- duh! [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #5676601 - 02/12/13 09:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Bill Nye is just as bad with less of an excuse...parroting that 'city killer'/Tunguska hype--and he even tacked on the Barringer crater for good measure! LOL! I have been waiting for someone to do that...




Please bring me up to speed. Just what was wrong in Nye mentioning those events?

http://www.space.com/19733-asteroid-2012-da14-earth-flyby-faq.html

NASA astronomers have compared the size of this asteroid with the one that caused the "Tunguska Event" over Siberia in 1908 that leveled trees across 825 square miles (2,137 square km).

Instead of smacking into the Earth's surface, asteroid 2012 DA14 would likely explode in midair, likely destroying whatever happens to be underneath it over a wide swath.


Dave Mitsky




Because, as near as I can tell, he was parroting what appears to be on closer analysis, exaggerated hype.
DA14 flyby & NASA's devastation predictions


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: Scott Horstman]
      #5677467 - 02/13/13 11:13 AM

Quote:

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I wonder if the government would try to withhold news as long as possible of an upcoming serious asteroid strike?




Given some of the replies to your post, Mike, it would seem a lot of people have more confidence than we do in the government serving us rather than themselves.




You give "the government" too much credit. It would take a world wide conspiracy to hide a possible impact if the orbit of an object was determined to be a possible impact. I just don't see that happening.


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Re: CNN -- duh! new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #5677937 - 02/13/13 04:13 PM

1. Remember Bill Nye is an entertainer, not a scientist
2. We here at CN know much more about astronomy & space science than most journalists and also the general public. When the media gets astronomy & space news wrong, it makes me wonder how accurate they are in subjects that I am ignorant in...


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