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#5687486 - 02/18/13 06:16 PM
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Hey, all. Is there an on-line or otherwise outlet that sells just mount heads? Tripods I have a-plenty. I'm looking for a source that sells just the Alt/Az mount heads. Preferably with the standard 3/8 x 16 threads to attach to a tripod. Must have slo-mo controls for both axis.
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#5687496 - 02/18/13 06:24 PM
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Desert Sky Astro has Alt Az mounts with slow motion controls. See my post below on their DSV-3 mount. They have other models also.
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#5687514 - 02/18/13 06:35 PM
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Opt sells the Vixen Portamount II heads without the tripod for $200.
Jon
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Stellarvue has a nice one, and canadian telescopes co. has a slightly different version that I have and its really convertable. You can take one of the knobs off each axis and attach the flexi slow mo cables.
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#5687910 - 02/18/13 09:57 PM
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I think most of them can be bought without the tripod.
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I guess I should have specified that I'm looking for SMALL mounts. Something that would fit on a Manfrotto tripod.
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#5688091 - 02/18/13 11:55 PM
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How about a AYOtraveler from AOK Swiss?
http://www.aokswiss.ch/d/mont/ayo/ayotraveler/uebersicht_ayotraveler.html
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Chris
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Mogul,
I highly recommend Universal astronomics
http://www.universalastronomics.com/
They have several types of Alt-as mount heads for sale.
Moreover, their level of service and honesty is incredible.
Their owner Larry communicated with me by e-mail and patiently answered all my questions untill I ended having a solution tailored exactly to my needs. He even advised me against buying unnecessary stuff and was not interested in just making a profit. He truly labored until I had something that truly fitted my needs.
Give them a shot.
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Check out the DSV-M, DSV-1 or DSV-2 at http://www.desertskyastro.com. I have the DSV-1 and can attest to the fact that these are very high quality, well made mounts with buttery smooth motion.
They can be purchased with a 5/8" thread for contractor's tripod, or 3/8" for photo tripod. Or you can get the 5/8" threaded mount and for $25, an adapter for 3/8" use so you can use it on either.
-Dan
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#5689273 - 02/19/13 04:57 PM
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I have my eye on a Stellarview M2 - Threaded with 3/8-16 hole, only weights 4 pounds, ans states it will carry up to 20 pounds. It is reasonably priced too. Here is the link:
Stellarview M2
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#5689312 - 02/19/13 05:15 PM
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Mogul,
I just now saw that you wanted slo-mo on the mount.
Thr UA mounts don' have them.
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#5689338 - 02/19/13 05:31 PM
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As far as I know, the SV M2 mount doesn't have slo-mo controls either.
Best,
David
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mogur
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#5689392 - 02/19/13 05:58 PM
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How about a AYOtraveler from AOK Swiss?
http://www.aokswiss.ch/d/mont/ayo/ayotraveler/uebersicht_ayotraveler.html
regards
Chris
Wow! This looks like exactly what I'm after. Wish I could read Swiss. 
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#5690168 - 02/20/13 03:52 AM
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Mogur,
Aok make very nicely engineerd products.
Just note that the AOK traveller carrying capacity is limited to 6 kilograms.
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#5690284 - 02/20/13 07:30 AM
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Discmount heads can be purchased separately.
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#5690671 - 02/20/13 11:27 AM
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Chucky,
Discmount heads are Fantastic - but the OP specifically said he wants Slo-Mo- controls while the discmounts are strictly push-to (nudge to).
I agree with you that they are exquisite mounts !
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#5691047 - 02/20/13 02:43 PM
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<< but the OP specifically said he wants Slo-Mo- controls while the discmounts are strictly push-to >>
Oops. I obviously can't read, and/or need to get a more recent eye exam!
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#5691071 - 02/20/13 02:52 PM
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Chucky,
No damage done 
I made the same mistake by recommending UA mounts and then I saw that Slo-Mo was a requirement.
BTW - I have a DM4 and a DM6 and I love them both, They are very convenient and I dont find I need SLO-MO with them at all.
With the encoders and a sky commander they are killer combo's for Grab'n Go.
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#5691174 - 02/20/13 03:42 PM
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<< I have a DM4 and a DM6 and I love them both, They are very convenient and I dont find I need SLO-MO with them at all.
With the encoders and a sky commander they are killer combo's for Grab'n Go. >>
Totally concur. I just added an Ipad Mini to the mix, so things for me get even better with my DM-4!
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I had a DesertSky DSV-2 with slo-mo controls. Then I got a DiscMount DM4 and sold the DSV-2 with no regrets. I found the DSV-2 to be very shakey at 200+ powers, shaking violently (in the eyepiece) when using slo-mo controls or when focusing. With the DiscMount I can track by hand easily at 200+ powers with very little shake or backlash. Raul's new DSV-3 might improve on stability, though I now see little point for slo-mo controls. The simplicity of the DiskMount is sublime.
My $0.02, Keith
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Chunky,
How do you interface the mini iPAD with your DM4 ??
What software are you using ?
Thanks
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Keith,
I tried the easy touch, the giro III and others. The discmounts beats them all. It is expensive, but you get what you pay for and it is very stable and operation is simplicity incarnate.
When you observe, the mount vanishes as its so easy to operate, and its you and the object with nothing to interfere between you.
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Keith,
I tried the easy touch, the giro III and others. The discmounts beats them all. It is expensive, but you get what you pay for and it is very stable and operation is simplicity incarnate.
When you observe, the mount vanishes as its so easy to operate, and its you and the object
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<< How do you interface the mini iPAD with your DM4 ??
What software are you using? >>
Sky Safari, Sky Commander, SkyFi. I velcro the Mini to the Sky Commander holder that was provided by Discmount when I purchased my mount.
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#5692262 - 02/21/13 07:01 AM
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How about a AYOtraveler from AOK Swiss?
http://www.aokswiss.ch/d/mont/ayo/ayotraveler/uebersicht_ayotraveler.html
regards
Chris
Wow! This looks like exactly what I'm after. Wish I could read Swiss.
I got one of these for my Solarmax 60  . Nice and light weight but no slow mo
http://stargazerslounge.com/topic/177165-aok-swiss-ayotraveler/
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Chucky,
Very nice setup ! what is the OTA on the tripod?
I like very much the little red filter on the sky commander ! Is it home made or commercially available?
If I read you correctly you just use the sky salary as a star map?
Or do you have a way to control the sky commander directly from the miniipad ??
AFAIK the iPad does not have any socket which allows it to connect to another computer or device.
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Shown in my photo is a Stellarvue 80ED. Yes, Sky Safari is used as my star chart. Sky Commander sends the alt/az positions wirelessly via SkyFi to my Ipad Pad. Pretty simple and straight forward. The Sky Commander has a Starmaster plastic dew guard which I then installed a red plastic filter sheet.
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How about a AYOtraveler from AOK Swiss?
http://www.aokswiss.ch/d/mont/ayo/ayotraveler/uebersicht_ayotraveler.html
regards
Chris
Wow! This looks like exactly what I'm after. Wish I could read Swiss.
I got one of these for my Solarmax 60 . Nice and light weight but no slow mo
http://stargazerslounge.com/topic/177165-aok-swiss-ayotraveler/
Bummer. When I saw the two knobs on it I wrongly assumed they were slo-mo knobs. I guess they're just locking knobs? This is rather frustrating. Why can't someone make a mount sort of like THIS but about twice as big with a beefier 3/8" tap on the bottom? I think it would sell like hotcakes if it could be kept around $100.
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How about a AYOtraveler from AOK Swiss?
http://www.aokswiss.ch/d/mont/ayo/ayotraveler/uebersicht_ayotraveler.html
regards
Chris
Wow! This looks like exactly what I'm after. Wish I could read Swiss.
I got one of these for my Solarmax 60 . Nice and light weight but no slow mo
http://stargazerslounge.com/topic/177165-aok-swiss-ayotraveler/
Bummer. When I saw the two knobs on it I wrongly assumed they were slo-mo knobs. I guess they're just locking knobs? This is rather frustrating. Why can't someone make a mount sort of like THIS but about twice as big with a beefier 3/8" tap on the bottom? I think it would sell like hotcakes if it could be kept around $100.
It probably would sell like hotcakes at that price point, however, making a profit on it would be another matter.
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Why can't someone make a mount sort of like THIS but about twice as big with a beefier 3/8" tap on the bottom? I think it would sell like hotcakes if it could be kept around $100.
I don't know about the price point, but have you looked at the Manfrotto geared tripod heads?
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Bummer. When I saw the two knobs on it I wrongly assumed they were slo-mo knobs. I guess they're just locking knobs? This is rather frustrating. Why can't someone make a mount sort of like THIS but about twice as big with a beefier 3/8" tap on the bottom? I think it would sell like hotcakes if it could be kept around $100.
I own one of those. It's only good for a VERY small or lightweight scope (think ST80, tops) and even then only at low magnifications. The build quality is marginal, and the only real reason I still have it is because it can come in handy if I want to throw it and some very minimal gear into a backpack for a hike.
To make something like this bigger and beefier (and able to handle larger scopes) means ending up with something very similar to one of the current offerings mentioned by folks above - and definitely not for $100. Unfortunately, if you want something useable, with quality build and performance, it will cost you.
I would question whether you really need the slow motion controls. I was very attached to the slo-mo controls myself but took the plunge and went with the Desert Sky DSV-1, which doesn't have them. While I still like slo-mo's, I have to admit that this mount makes them pretty much unnecessary up to about 170x. The mount is extremely well made with very smooth action and it's just as easy to simply move the scope to keep up with the target.
Contrary to Kieth's experience above, I've found this mount to be very stable and focusing is easy even at higher mags. I'm not sure what scope he was using or what tripod the mount was on, but those might have been contributing factors to the problems he was having. I'm using it with a WO Megrez 90 on a "shorty" contractor's tripod.
In any case, with the scopes listed in your sig line (other than the Lightbridge which, I assume, you're not putting on this mount!  ) I would think a DSV-1 would be more than adequate for your needs. And for a few bucks more, you can get it with dual saddles and mount 2 of your OTAs at the same time.
-Dan
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To be fair to the AyoTraveller if is indeed a extreme lightweight (and IMHO well made) mount intended for small scopes. My SM 60 with binoviewer is the most I would throw at it.
But you are right, make the 2 disks solid aluminium and we are close to a well loved and pricier mount.
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"I would question whether you really need the slow motion controls. I was very attached to the slo-mo controls myself but took the plunge and went with the Desert Sky DSV-1, which doesn't have them. While I still like slo-mo's, I have to admit that this mount makes them pretty much unnecessary up to about 170x. The mount is extremely well made with very smooth action and it's just as easy to simply move the scope to keep up with the target."
Slow motion controls may not be "needed" but, IMO, they add immensly to the convenience and ease of use. This is particularly true when the OTA being used is a short one, resulting in a short moment arm.
After starting out with a mount with no slo-mo, I upgraded to an MG2 and would never go back.
There are a number of things to be considered when selecting a mount, such as stability, carrying capacity, smoothness and ease of use.
One of the MAJOR advantages of slo-mo controls are that when the heads are locked in the slo-mo mode, the scope remains where it was when eyepieces are changed and minor EP changes, adding barlows, etc, cause much less problems.
Sow motion controls may not be "needed" but they sure make for more convenience and easy operation. I wouldn't be without them.
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Why can't someone make a mount sort of like THIS but about twice as big with a beefier 3/8" tap on the bottom? I think it would sell like hotcakes if it could be kept around $100.
I don't know about the price point, but have you looked at the Manfrotto geared tripod heads?
Those do look really nice, but a bit pricey for something I would only use when traveling. I have a Vixen Mini-Porta that does me good at home! There's a used one in the CN classifieds for about $100 off. Hmmmmm... BTW, this would only be used for the Onyx and the SolarMax 60.
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How about a AYOtraveler from AOK Swiss?
http://www.aokswiss.ch/d/mont/ayo/ayotraveler/uebersicht_ayotraveler.html
regards
Chris
Wow! This looks like exactly what I'm after. Wish I could read Swiss.
I got one of these for my Solarmax 60 . Nice and light weight but no slow mo
http://stargazerslounge.com/topic/177165-aok-swiss-ayotraveler/
Bummer. When I saw the two knobs on it I wrongly assumed they were slo-mo knobs. I guess they're just locking knobs? This is rather frustrating. Why can't someone make a mount sort of like THIS but about twice as big with a beefier 3/8" tap on the bottom? I think it would sell like hotcakes if it could be kept around $100.
It probably would sell like hotcakes at that price point, however, making a profit on it would be another matter.
Well, this one is less and comes with a tripod!
http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=277-6536
Only reason I haven't bought it is I can't get a straight answer as to how it attaches to the tripod.
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Mogur,
I don't think I can recommend the Celestron mount/tripod that you are wondering about. I have one that I got for binoculars and haven't used it yet. The terminology in the description is idiotic..."heavy duty" 
It might be useable for certain things if you are willing to perhaps do some mods (ie; scopestuff stuff). I do not like the very short thread bolt to attach something to...the 1/4-20 bolt, which is I believe the standard camera thread. Of course that can certainly be dealt with. I will try to attach some photos of the attachment method to tripod. I am terrible with photography and computers. So here we go...I am in learning mode with computer stuff...this first photo is of the top of the mount.
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The next photo is of the bottom of the mount.
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This is the top of the tripod.
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And this is the bottom of the mount. The shoulder section measures about 25mm in diameter and is about 23mm depth to surface of tripod. The thread size is 10mm.
Best, Linda B.
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Oops,
here is the photo
Best, Linda B.
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mogur
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Re: Alt/Az Mount Heads
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#5697008 - 02/23/13 05:16 PM
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Agatha, you are an angel! Now I know this mount would not work for me. I need a 3/8" hole in the bottom, not a stud like your photos show. Thanx very much!
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HfxObserver
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Reged: 11/12/04
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Re: Alt/Az Mount Heads
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#5697059 - 02/23/13 06:12 PM
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Takahashi Lapides, get one don't look back, buy it used for cheap, immediately order some alu. slo mo knobs from Bob and throw out the plastic ones that come std. on the Tak Lap.
I don't know why people still use those spaghetti noodle slo-moes.
-Chris
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