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Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
#5693069 - 02/21/13 04:29 PM
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I am combing through hundreds of YouTube videos to find the best examples of footage from the recent Russian Chebarkul meteorite fall.
My selection criteria are :
1) must be original, unedited footage with few/no cuts or mods.
2) no compilations or "best of" videos.
3) no soundtracks or silly distracting music.
4) preferably has sound to hear the explosions, or if no sound, then a good clear view of the bolide/trail.
I will be posting these videos today and tonight as I finish going through them. Here are some I have selected so far with notes for each.
Chebarkul Video #1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inPclE7RwFY
This one does not clearly show the bolide or trail at first. What it does show is the viewpoint of a man holding a video camera as he reacts to the explosions. He is standing under a large wall of glass panes and many of them shatter while he is taping. He ducks to avoid the falling glass and keeps taping the entire time. He then runs down the street to record the aftermath and confusion. He then tapes the bolide trail in the sky. This is one of the best examples of the event that I have screened so far out of many dozens of videos. It meets almost all of the stated criteria in spades.
Chebarkul Video #2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCawTYPtehk
This video only shows the bolide and does not record the explosions. However, it provides a very clear view of the fireball as it travels the entire length of the sky. The viewpoint is a dashboard camera in a car sitting at a traffic light. Very good vantage point and a much better quality video than most of the other dashboard cams I have seen so far.
Chebarkul Video #3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0cRHsApzt8
This is a short but sweet video, so to speak. It is less than 20 seconds. It shows someone who walked outside to film the bolide trail in the sky. The person holding the camera is then startled by the first explosion, which is very loud. Shaken, the person continues to film, until the second explosion is heard - at which point, the person becomes freaked out, runs for cover, and shuts off the camera. This one lets you hear the first two fragmentation events very clearly and you get to experience the surprise and panic of the camera-person, albeit briefly.
Chebarkul Video #4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efvP-RRuJuA
This video I call "poor poopie" - because there is a startled dog involved. This one is a surveillance camera overlooking (downwards) a parking lot outside an apartment building. There is a few minutes of boring mundane footage showing pedestrians walking through or milling about. Just before the 01-25 mark (1 minute, 25 seconds), a small dog wanders into the frame with a man. While watching the bolide trail in the sky, the first explosion happens. What is interesting is how nonplussed the people are in reaction to this sudden unexpected explosion. It hardly startles the people, but the dog is clearly scared. Then, the second explosion happens and the dog gets spooked again. Afterwards, there are a few boring minutes of the people gawking around and dog appears to be OK. I selected this one because - the novelty of the dog and how it reacts in relation to the people and because it shows how casual the Russians are when presented with sudden loud explosions - apparently, it's nothing to get too excited about when the sky explodes without warning. LOL. If you don't want to get bored with this one, focus around the 1-minute and 25-second mark.
Chebarkul Video #5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7mLUIDGqmw
This video is part 2 of a 5-part video. This part meets almost all of the selection criteria. You see and hear the explosions, the immediate reaction, and the confusion afterwards. You get a good feel for the confusion and chaos afterwards. Keep in mind, it is BELOW ZERO TEMPS outside during this event, and people run outside without coats, gloves, or other clothing. They run about, gawk, and discuss what just happened. If any of my friends can translate some of the Russian dialogue in this video, I would greatly appreciate it. What are they saying exactly? Do they think it was an attack? A meteor? A bomb?
Chebarkul Video #6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9HkE2RztYY
This video is short, but interesting. It appears to be shot from inside a hotel room or apartment. There is a man and a woman, and one of them is standing next to the window, looking outside at the bolide trail in the sky. Suddenly, the first sonic boom rocks the room and the woman lets out a blood-curdling scream in surprise. I selected this video because it is one of the few examples of a Russian citizen reacting strongly to the explosion. In most videos, the average citizen appears very stoic and nonchalant about the blast.
I still have several dozen more videos to comb through and will post some more at a later time.
Sources : Google News Aggregator, YouTube Search, Dr. Nick Gessler's webpage, Robin Whittle's posts, and suggestions via Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking sites.
Dr. Gessler's excellent page - https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/meteorites/chelyabinsk.htm
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5693102 - 02/21/13 04:42 PM
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Two more videos :
Chebarkul Video #7 - REMOVED.
Chebarkul Video #8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp-CMWGQ9ag
This video is short, but clearly allows you to hear the initial blast and then several subsequent bangs/pops that may be more fragmentation events. It also shows a building as an upper-floor window is blown out and a cloud of debris pours out from the shattered opening.
Edited by Glassthrower (02/21/13 08:03 PM)
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5693294 - 02/21/13 06:26 PM
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Mike; thanks for the very interesting links!
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5693299 - 02/21/13 06:30 PM
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Since you are reviewing so many videos, I suggest that you select a group that give the best views off the bolide itself covering (not necessarily in one video) from earliest entry, to the main explosion, and the trailing remnants until they disappear, from different angles (this obviously not in one video).
Do not prejudice it based on incidentals like music, or being part of collection, or being a dashboard cam, as long as it provides good/excellent or unique images of the actual entry event.
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5693308 - 02/21/13 06:37 PM
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Two more videos :
Chebarkul Video #7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqClUPJQJMU
(NOTE - I received some feedback from an expert, and this particular video may be a fake or a different event. He raises some serious concerns about the authenticity. So take this one with a grain of salt until confirmed or denied.)
I think it is a fake also. It is showing an event which (if it is even real) is much slower and longer lasting than the real one, with no brilliant light like the real bolide. It could be a rocket launch.
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Re: Chebarkul - video analysis of fragments
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#5693324 - 02/21/13 06:49 PM
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Hi
One the videos in Mikes post made me doing some analysis of the fragments. I think there's at least 6 larger fragments.
Link to video 200% size, cropped, with fragment pointers – 109mb. http://www.nightsky.dk/Astronomi/Meteorites/Chelyabinsk/fragment_analysis.avi
Link to gif animation 200% size, cropped, with fragment pointers – 8.5mb. http://www.nightsky.dk/Astronomi/Meteorites/Chelyabinsk/fragment_analysis.gif
Link to video filtered analysis, shows very nicely the two larger/brightest fragments. 123 mb. http://www.nightsky.dk/Astronomi/Meteorites/Chelyabinsk/filtered-analysis.avi
Link to gif animation filtered analysis, shows very nicely the two larger/brightest fragments. 7.6mb. http://www.nightsky.dk/Astronomi/Meteorites/Chelyabinsk/filtered-analysis.gif
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Re: Chebarkul - video analysis of fragments
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#5693451 - 02/21/13 08:05 PM
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Received some more feedback, and I am now convinced that video #7 was not Chebarkul. It was possibly a missile test or some unrelated event, but it's not the recent Russian meteorite fall.
Lars - great analysis work! 
Have you considered posting these to the Meteorite Central mailing list? I am sure there are many there who would find your work interesting and useful. 
Best regards,
MikeG
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Re: Chebarkul - video analysis of fragments
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#5694236 - 02/22/13 09:06 AM
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Sent - had some troubles getting the mail through.
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Re: Chebarkul - video analysis of fragments
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#5695678 - 02/22/13 09:26 PM
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Thanks for the links. Some of the best for sure. Amazing!
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5695807 - 02/22/13 10:45 PM
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One can see the the termination and a separate windows blow out and in here
http://youtu.be/2Gc1HgO5hNY
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#5696369 - 02/23/13 11:05 AM
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I found this one interesting because at about the 1:04 mark in the video he breifly focuses on, & is possibly commenting on what appears to be "black flakes" falling on the snow. The videos location seems to be close to directly under the meteorites path http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=-otgMtaNJMw
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#5696445 - 02/23/13 11:46 AM
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Interesting photos and details of Chebarkul meteorites - http://meteorites.ru/menu/press-e/yuzhnouralsky2013-e.php
Larry, I couldn't get your link to work. Do you have another link to it?
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#5696666 - 02/23/13 01:57 PM
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Mike, very nice link of this meteorite!
I want one!
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5696843 - 02/23/13 03:35 PM
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no thats the only link I could find
wait , see if this works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-otgMtaNJMw&sns=em
Edited by Larrythebrewer (02/23/13 03:46 PM)
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#5699426 - 02/25/13 08:50 AM
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Thanks Larry!
Here is a fun link (but hard to understand) 37 minute compilation video in Russian. Interestingly, at around the 26-28 minute mark, the video shows some large(!) masses that were recovered but not widely reported in the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfrwPeHEjrU
There is also some great footage of the shockwave damage.
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5699517 - 02/25/13 09:51 AM
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Thanks Larry! 
Here is a fun link (but hard to understand) 37 minute compilation video in Russian. Interestingly, at around the 26-28 minute mark, the video shows some large(!) masses that were recovered but not widely reported in the media.
Here is a report about a 1 kg fragment recovered: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_02_25/Largest-1kg-heavy-meteorite-fragment-found-...
This event is going to tremendously advance knowledge of these large asteroid explosions - we have (it seems) a near perfect model of the Tunguska Event in reduced scale recorded in abundant detail. A lot the speculation about Tunguska was made in a vacuum of ignorance (especially in the era before detailed computer simulation) during the 20th Century; this should put nearly all of it to rest.
Interestingly it was only last May that there were reports of detection of a possible fragment of Tunguska in Lake Cheko near the explosion site, which itself has only been determined to be a likely candidate fragment impact point in the last few years.
Mark Boslough at Sandia National Laboratory who did this study of Tunguska: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0734743X08001784 in 2008 has already announced he is modelling the Chebarkul Event.
In general it seems that recent modelling has shown that large stony meteors are very efficient at vaporizing themselves in the explosion fireball - the larger they are they more efficient they are. Ironically it seems, the larger the stony meteor above some threshold, the smaller the recoverable fragment weight.
(Boslough's simulations suggest to me that Lake Cheko might actually be the terminal point of the remnant hydrodynamic jet, rather than a fragment impact.)
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#5699530 - 02/25/13 09:56 AM
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In general terms, extremely-large extant meteorites are quite rare. Yes, the bigger the body the smaller the remnant it seems (in the majority of cases). And the really BIG meteorites we do see, tend to be irons. There are a few big rocks (Norton Country, Jilin, etc), but they are far outnumbered by the more-robust irons.
Here is the latest bulletin to the IAU about the orbit and trajectory of this body (complete with tons of numbers) -
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Electronic Telegram No. 3423 Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams INTERNATIONAL ASTRONOMICAL UNION CBAT Director: Daniel W. E. Green; Hoffman Lab 209; Harvard University; 20 Oxford St.; Cambridge, MA 02138; U.S.A. e-mail: cbatiau@... (alternate cbat@...) URL http://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/index.html Prepared using the Tamkin Foundation Computer Network
TRAJECTORY AND ORBIT OF THE CHELYABINSK SUPERBOLIDE Jiri Borovicka, Pavel Spurny, and Lukas Shrbeny, Astronomical Institute of the Academy of Sciences, Ondrejov, Czech Republic, report that they have computed the atmospheric trajectory and velocity of the superbolide of 2013 Feb. 15.139 UT (3h20m UT), which caused some damage in the city of Chelyabinsk, Russia. They used seven casual video records provisionally calibrated with Google Maps tools. The trajectory was assumed to be linear. The geographical coordinates of selected points along the trajectory are as tabulated below:
Relative Longitude Latitude Height Velocity Notes Time (s) (deg E) (deg N) (km) (km/s)
0.00 64.266 54.508 91.83 17.5 beginning of registration 9.18 61.913 54.788 41.02 17.5 minor flare 11.20 61.455 54.836 31.73 17.5 major flare 12.36 61.159 54.867 25.81 17.5 flare 13.20 60.920 54.891 21.05 12.5 minor flare 16.20 60.606 54.922 14.94 4.3 end of registration
The observed trajectory was 254 km long. The azimuth of the trajectory was 279.5 degrees, and the slope was 16.5 degrees to the horizontal (for the end point). The uncertainty of the radiant is about one degree. The uncertainty of the position of the trajectory is about 1 km (at the beginning, up to 4 km). The pre-entry object that caused the superbolide was relatively fragile. Severe fragmentation started at a height of 32 km under dynamic pressure of 4 MPa. The mass of the largest fragment, which landed in the lake Chebarkul, was estimated to be 200-500 kg. One or two meteorites of the mass of several tens of kg can be expected not far from the village Travniki. One piece of mass approximately 1 kg may have landed to the northwest of Shchapino. Numerous small fragments can be expected in the wide band located about 5 km south of the trajectory, mostly between longitudes 60.9 and 61.35 degrees. The blast wave, which strongly affected Chelyabinsk, was generated between heights of 25 and 30 km. The radiant and heliocentric orbit were calculated to be as follows:
Apparent radiant: Right ascension 328.6 +/- 1.0 deg (equinox 2000.0) Declination +8.0 +/- 1.0 deg Velocity 17.5 +/- 0.5 km/s
Geocentric radiant: Right ascension 334.7 +/- 1.2 deg Declination -1.0 +/- 1.4 deg Velocity 13.2 +/- 0.7 km/s
Orbit: a = 1.55 +/- 0.07 AU e = 0.50 +/- 0.02 q = 0.768 +/- 0.011 AU Q = 2.33 +/- 0.14 AU (equinox 2000.0) Peri. = 109.7 +/- 1.8 deg Node = 326.41 deg i = 3.6 +/- 0.7 deg
The data do not allow determination of the initial mass of the object prior to entering the atmosphere. The trajectory will be further refined in the future, provided that proper in situ calibrations of the videos are made.
NOTE: These 'Central Bureau Electronic Telegrams' are sometimes superseded by text appearing later in the printed IAU Circulars.
(C) Copyright 2013 CBAT 2013 February 23 (CBET 3423) Daniel W. E. Green
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Re: Chebarkul - Chelyabinsk Meteorite Videos
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#5699802 - 02/25/13 12:46 PM
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The price is going up fast.
And I want one so badly - this is not good.
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#5699879 - 02/25/13 01:46 PM
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Relax, market forces will drive the prices down over time. From reports I am hearing, there have already been several kilograms recovered. Once the spring thaw hits, expect the TKW to be many kilos, possibly hundreds of kilos. There are probably many many small pea-sized stones, like Holbrook or Pultusk. There will be plenty to go around eventually, and the prices will drop to levels considerably lower than the earliest offerings.
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#5699956 - 02/25/13 02:36 PM
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I hope so Mike, but the waiting.......
My collection really needs a new centrepiece.
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