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galaxy_jason
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LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing
      #5737454 - 03/16/13 10:05 PM

It would be nice to get some good seeing in North Texas/SE Oklahoma, the seeing monitor of the Clear Sky Clock has been light blue to white for months.

Anyway, took the 14" LX850 to the TAS dark sky site last Wednesday. 100, 30, 30, 30 minutes LRGB, 10 minute subs.
A little soft but not too bad..

http://galaxyphoto.com/high_res/jw_apogee_lx850_m81.jpg


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David PavlichAdministrator
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: galaxy_jason]
      #5737484 - 03/16/13 10:21 PM

Nice work, Jason! Holmberg IX is looking good as well.

David


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zjc26138
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #5737508 - 03/16/13 10:36 PM

Fantastic image Jason!

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lakeorion
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: zjc26138]
      #5737516 - 03/16/13 10:43 PM

Nothing mediocre about that picture.

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Mantis707
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: lakeorion]
      #5737680 - 03/16/13 11:35 PM

ridiculously cool man....congrats

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ahopp
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: Mantis707]
      #5738166 - 03/17/13 08:34 AM

Jason, I have the 14" on its way, is yours a production LX850 OTA, a beta LX850 OTA or the original LX800 OTA ?

And, yes, fantastic image...

Tony


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galaxy_jason
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: ahopp]
      #5738229 - 03/17/13 09:08 AM

Tony it's a prototype, the first 14 with mirror lock but it should be similar to production

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rigel123
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: galaxy_jason]
      #5738230 - 03/17/13 09:08 AM

Excellent Jason!

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Lee Jay
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: galaxy_jason]
      #5738386 - 03/17/13 10:53 AM

Is it my imagination or do the tracking and collimation appear to be perfect?

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Pak
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: galaxy_jason]
      #5738433 - 03/17/13 11:31 AM

Quote:

It would be nice to get some good seeing in North Texas/SE Oklahoma, the seeing monitor of the Clear Sky Clock has been light blue to white for months.

Anyway, took the 14" LX850 to the TAS dark sky site last Wednesday. 100, 30, 30, 30 minutes LRGB, 10 minute subs.
A little soft but not too bad..

http://galaxyphoto.com/high_res/jw_apogee_lx850_m81.jpg




Great image no doubt. Nobody can doubt Jason's talent.

No way to know however if he used an OAG or really used Starlock. If he did use Starlock, how long did he have to tweak and fiddle with the settings to get it right. How long do those settings last before needing to be tweaked again.
No way to know how many bad subs he had to throw out due to tracking errors.
So as I'v said in the past, while I don't doubt Jason's abilities at all, I do doubt how he arrives at the final image. Can the LX850 produce the image he has shown here, and his previous horse head, YES! I believe it can. My criticism is that we don't know how much easier it was due to the LX850. His response in the other thread leads me to believe that he has abandoned the built in features that are supposed to make this mount different than all the others.
Since the LX850 is a Mach1GTO look-a-like, why not just buy a Mach1GTO? At least you KNOW what you are getting and how well it will perform.




Edited by Pak (03/17/13 11:33 AM)


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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: Pak]
      #5738470 - 03/17/13 12:05 PM

Pak,

Really? Jason has been pretty up front with what he's doing. He posted on Facebook that he used Starlock if that helps assuage your fears that he's just making things up.

Honestly, do we know what people do to their final images anyways? Most people don't post their work flows, whether they shrunk the stars or used some type of morphological transformation to correct bad tracking.

He produced a good image at a tough image scale from a new mount.


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Loc: Houston, Texas, USA
Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: Pak]
      #5738521 - 03/17/13 12:34 PM

Quote:

Since the LX850 is a Mach1GTO look-a-like, why not just buy a Mach1GTO? At least you KNOW what you are getting and how well it will perform.




Right, you know that the Mach1GTO has no chance to carry a 14" scope and its accessories.


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Pak
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: Raginar]
      #5738522 - 03/17/13 12:34 PM

Quote:

Pak,

Really? Jason has been pretty up front with what he's doing. He posted on Facebook that he used Starlock if that helps assuage your fears that he's just making things up.

Honestly, do we know what people do to their final images anyways? Most people don't post their work flows, whether they shrunk the stars or used some type of morphological transformation to correct bad tracking.

He produced a good image at a tough image scale from a new mount.




The point I am trying to make is that the LX850 is marketed and advertised as being able to reduce the frustration involved with beginning AP by including automatic or semi-automatic mechanisms to achieve results that others spend a lengthy time to achieve. Since Jason is an expert, the results he can and will achieve are automatically better than the results I can achieve. That goes without saying. So when he posts those images I have no way of knowing how he got there. Where did the mount fail, where did it excel? Where did the mount make things easier and faster and where did it not? These questions have not been answered. People need to understand that it is unlikely that they will be able to buy an LX850, put it all together and 30 minutes later start imaging with results that meet or exceed the expectations that this thread promises. Jason is probably a swell guy but he is a Meade insider and long time beta tester. Obviously Meade treats him well and in return I am sure he treats Meade well.

Caution is my recommendation. Let not everyone rush to place their orders based upon Jason's posts but instead wait a bit to see what real end users report.




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Pak
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: end]
      #5738528 - 03/17/13 12:37 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Since the LX850 is a Mach1GTO look-a-like, why not just buy a Mach1GTO? At least you KNOW what you are getting and how well it will perform.




Right, you know that the Mach1GTO has no chance to carry a 14" scope and its accessories.




Right, and I am not sure the LX850 does either. We will know more when Tony gets his set up and reports back. That is a LOT of weight on that mount. Do you not recall what happend on the LX80? Good for *half* of its advertised carrying capacity. Again, I recommend caution. Lets wait and see.



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budman1961
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: Pak]
      #5738597 - 03/17/13 01:18 PM

Pak,

Were all adults here, and we really dont need you to give us more "let's wait and see" troll posts. Most of us have been following these LX800/850 posts from the very beginning, and are more than able to draw our own conclusions.

Why not go back to wherever you came from, with your Nike shoes and canteen full of cool-aid.

You are in no way being helpful.

Andy

Edited by budman1961 (03/17/13 01:29 PM)


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germana1
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: budman1961]
      #5738607 - 03/17/13 01:22 PM

+1

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germana1
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: budman1961]
      #5738613 - 03/17/13 01:24 PM

+1

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Pak
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: germana1]
      #5738649 - 03/17/13 01:48 PM

Guys Pan-STARRS is not Hale Bopp. There is no space ship with the Meade logo coming to take you someplace better. The more people show up to blindly defend Meade the more my point is proven.



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budman1961
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing new [Re: Pak]
      #5738698 - 03/17/13 02:10 PM

FYI Pak, there is no hyphen in Panstarrs....... Moreover, Koolaid is the proper spelling from your other valueless post.

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blueman
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Re: LX850 M81 in mediocre seeing [Re: Pak]
      #5738702 - 03/17/13 02:11 PM

These images were taken with a prototype, I think it is prudent to see what a real production unit can do, don't you?

If they all work as well as this one, then Meade has made a great comeback.
Blueman


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