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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5783858 - 04/07/13 01:56 PM

Hmmmmmmm, oh well. I'm glad you feel much better now. So do I

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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: Rich (RLTYS)]
      #5783875 - 04/07/13 02:04 PM

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As the old saying goes. Never do anything that will bite you in the ars later in life. Barry is about to learn this lesson in life




Starman876, please don't make me have to lock this thread. KEEP IT FRIENDLY.

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Johann is being friendly, you should see him when he is mad!!
What we have here is just a myriad of different opinions on a topic.

First of all I am a long time member of Barry's Unitron group. I currently own one 114, one 75 EQ (ON LOAN), Four 4" Unitron OTAS, Three of them match the following mounts. One 1954 Unitron EQ Mount W/brass OTA, One 1970 155-c setup guide scope, Elec Drive and all, one 150 EQ Mount. The fourth OTA sits on my 9" AP refractor in my Observatory.

I have sold or been involved with the sale of at least three times as many vintage Unitron telescopes. I have sold many restoration parts that I have collected and I still have boxes of parts sitting around in my garage. I just looked at your poll Barry and have come to conclusion that while admirable it really is pointless to try to paint a set values to such a specific thing with such a wide brush. Case in point there are too many variables that I look for in Unitron Telescopes when buying them. Age and condition being the factors that matter to me the most.
a 1980s 114 to me is not worth anywhere near what a mint condition 1955 model would be. Also your polls pricing high value for a complete original condition 152 is at
"#152 - 102mm f/15 eq. - $2301 to $2600"
Please direct me to this telescope store, please?? If these were what you could buy a 152 for I would have 10 more of them in my collection because I think the prices on all these collectible items is going to go thru the roof one day soon.
Besides over the past 10 years I have sold 2 152 bare bones telescopes for over $3500 each and traded a complete restoration 152 scope for a $3500 Camera system several years ago. I am going to post a set of values for the whole line up on the group and see what the collectors here think of it. We All want a great deal and once in awhile one pops up. But to say thats what the item is worth is pretty silly.
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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: clintwhitman]
      #5783935 - 04/07/13 02:31 PM

Clint,

Thanks for the additional data on your experiences. I will incorporate that into my comments/analysis after I end the poll tomorrow morning.

I do realize that there is a very broad spectrum of scopes and variables with each item up for sale. A lot that goes into setting a price is based upon gut feeling, but hopefully by somenone in tune with what something is worth.

Years ago (early to mid 90's) when my work territory had me running Interstate 10 between Lafayette, LA and Ft. Walton Beach, FL I spent some time in pawn shops along the route purchasing Olympus SLR camera bodies and Olympus Zuiko lenses. I knew the product and could determine if something was worth purchasing and what the price should be without referring to a list or a guide. I also knew when I would not be embarrassed by trying to negotiate downward a price that was already low. My adventures in "Pawn Shop Land" were both fun and profitable.

Unitron telescopes and mounts are fun in the same way and there is a range of prices that run from bargain to steep. By the way, the poll does not have a high value for the #152 which cuts off at $2600, the upper selection for that one is "more than $2600" and I fully intend to document specifics as to what your post above and Starman876 have said about specific scopes.

Assuming that those responding to the poll are following the parameters set up in the forum post about the poll and the specific question on the poll, results do show so far that while I have no doubt that what you have seen is true (Starman876 as well)there are scopes that are being bought and sold at lower prices. I am tempted to say more about this now, but I will hold off until tomorrow.

Perhaps west coast pricing is different than here in the Deep South, better bargains to be had in our neck of the woods.

Stay tuned.

Barry Simon


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5783953 - 04/07/13 02:41 PM

If you use pricing set by people that wish they had a 4" unitron telescope that live in a place where a house costs $26k I don't think you would be putting your thumb on the pulse of this issue. I posted current "Reasonable Pricing" For the whole line up of telescopes. And if any wants to sell me there for 33% less as shown in your polls pricing I WILL TAKE IT... In Fact please send me all the original equipped excellent to good condition 152 Unitrons you can get your hands on for $2600 each I will buy them all. I have about $80k I can invest right now.

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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5783964 - 04/07/13 02:47 PM

I've been following this post with interest.I believe that Barry has stirred up a subject that is dear to many of us classic owners, and I respect his opinion on this subject . As a collector, I don't have a problem with it as market values will of course dictate classic prices along with condition of the instrument. It is a well known fact that in most of the situations the rarer a scope is and the better condition it is in,the more it will cost.The Unitrons,Gogakus, questars and the like are considered prime classics and are more in demand,and I accept that a fair price would have to be negotiated between buyer and seller.Consider for example the price difference between the TASCO 7TE-5 and a comparable UNITRON 60mm, both scopes fully complete with all accessories ? Which would be the more sought after ? One lists their classic for a price they consider fair on the open market and see what happens.Thanks,Barry ! Great Topic!
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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: BarabinoSr]
      #5784154 - 04/07/13 03:55 PM

This has been a great topic and I see that everyone has given their opinion. Barry, I do appreciate the time and effort you have pur forth to do this. I also hope you take all the advice you have gotten and factor it into your final guide. This is not an easy subject to pin down because of all the factors that need to be taken into consideration. Looking forward to seeing the price guide. I am sure that will prove to provide another serious amount of comments as for that is what this countty is all about.

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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: BarabinoSr]
      #5784271 - 04/07/13 04:38 PM

Here's a true story with reference to classic telescopes and automobiles.
Four years ago, I listed a 1967 Mustang Fastback, a one owner, on Craigslist Dallas.
Two minutes after I pushed "enter", the phone rang from a local fellow urging me to wait till he pushed $4,000 cash in one hundred dollar bills.
It was a Friday night (don't sell a car on Friday Night as the Auto Title departments will be closed till Monday). I accepted the 40 100 dollar bills and wrote a affidavit selling the Mustang to him.
In the ensuing hours and days, I had many others wishing to buy. One showing up at the doorstep having 70 one hundred dollar bills for me!
When I told him a purchase had been made, I promptly removed the Craigslist posting.
As such, that $4,000 Mustang owner was very very happy.

And with regard to Unitron telescopes, here is a very recent posting from another member of our group showing a nearly complete Unitron 4" for sale, albeit in Australia.

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=105402

A dedicated true admirer of this telescope would find its way to the new home, regardless of the new position here on this earth.
So the point of the matter; If you are not aware of an items demand, please do not Poo-Pooh others and please become familiar with items recent sales.
Are there friends here on Craiglist that would like to document recent and actual sale prices for these telescopes?

Just a thought,
Jim


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: highertheflyer]
      #5784293 - 04/07/13 04:53 PM

Jim,

What is the Australian to US exchange rate? Note too that this is not the standard #152, it includes a guide scope plus a weight driven clock drive, which alone will likely add a ton of value to this package. (I am sure someone else will comment on the value of a weight driven clock drive. It was $738.00 in 1981, so maybe at least $2000.00 today for just that item.)

Barry Simon


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5784338 - 04/07/13 05:12 PM

1.04 Austraiian to one US Dollar. so just a bit less our United States dollars for the Australian dollars.
https://www.google.com/search?q=australian+to+us+dollars&ie=utf-8&oe=...
Just a bit of a the global field so we will shortly see and will have to deal with classic and ancient worldwide scopes.
Lets perhaps set up a means for everyone to work with this new long range pricing's and its means for long range sales.
Jim


Edited by highertheflyer (04/07/13 05:26 PM)


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: highertheflyer]
      #5784366 - 04/07/13 05:27 PM

The last mechanical clock drive for sale went for $2700.

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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: highertheflyer]
      #5784421 - 04/07/13 05:58 PM

Hi Barry.

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=105402

And as an old retired airline pilot, I wish I had happenend upon this 4" scope years and years ago.
I could have transported this find, stored in the belly of the airplane we flew, to destinations for the Dallas Fort Worth Airport and beyond.
Alas, I am with a new generation and I leave it up to the folks finding means to transport towards that new home.
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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: starman876]
      #5784773 - 04/07/13 09:00 PM

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The last mechanical clock drive for sale went for $2700.




Considering that the Australian scope is now at $4500.00 and a guide scope with Uni-clamps and rings should be worth at least $500 and the weight driven clock drive is at $2700.00, (for a total of $3200 for these two items) the $4500 offer can really be considered low ball. Almost makes it feasible for someone in the USA to put in a bid above $4500.00. However, how much would it cost to ship this scope from Australia to the United States. Bet it would be a chunk of change!

Barry Simon


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: starman876]
      #5784797 - 04/07/13 09:13 PM

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The last mechanical clock drive for sale went for $2700.



And that was what, 6, 8 years ago. Couldn't find the ad anymore.


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5784890 - 04/07/13 10:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

The last mechanical clock drive for sale went for $2700.




Considering that the Australian scope is now at $4500.00 and a guide scope with Uni-clamps and rings should be worth at least $500 and the weight driven clock drive is at $2700.00, (for a total of $3200 for these two items) the $4500 offer can really be considered low ball. Almost makes it feasible for someone in the USA to put in a bid above $4500.00. However, how much would it cost to ship this scope from Australia to the United States. Bet it would be a chunk of change!

Barry Simon




Hi Barry. I have known a fellow that shipped a small plane disassembled with the wings and tail detached, from Asia to the USA in a large shipboard container. Yes, it wasn't cheap but it can be done.
And with the proper desire and will power, a smaller package could be shipped as well.
Jim


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: highertheflyer]
      #5784978 - 04/07/13 10:40 PM

I've shipped stuff from the US to Uzbekistan and the trick is to use UPS, pack well, pack in many smaller boxes as opposed to less larger boxes. UPS escorts the shipment through customs which reduces the time the shipment sits waiting for inspection. When I shipped via USPS, there was no integrity at the endpoint in Uzbekistan and 1/2 the items were stolen from postal employees. So, bottom line, UPS and pack it well. Whatever the cost, it's worth it. Of course if the shipment were coming from Australia to the US, I would expect better service than shipping to a 3rd world country.

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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: gelkin]
      #5785033 - 04/07/13 11:23 PM

That was an astromart auction
http://www.astromart.com/auctions/details.asp?auction_id=4558

final bid $2550. So I was wrong about the $2700.

If you search the astromart website for the last 10 years. Yes you can do that. you can get a very good idea of the varying prices of unitron for the last 10 years. You search bot the auctions and the classifieds.
You can find out just about what every classic scope has sold for. Or any other scope you are thinking of buying and you do not need to be a member.


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: starman876]
      #5785059 - 04/07/13 11:38 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unitron-75mm-Refractor-Lens-in-Complete-Collimatable-...

If prices keep going like this what guide would we use?


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: starman876]
      #5785061 - 04/07/13 11:39 PM

And here is an eyepiece set that sold for what a 114 would be listed at.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Used-Unitron-Telescope-Eyepiece-Set-Optical-L...


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: starman876]
      #5785065 - 04/07/13 11:42 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unitron-Style-Counter-Weight-Mount-Bracket-for-4-inch...

and unibalance for $600

True you do not see these for sale very often, but this sort of sale is becoming a trend. All factors that need to be considered.


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Re: Establishing Fair Prices for Classic Scopes new [Re: starman876]
      #5785257 - 04/08/13 03:41 AM

Quote:

That was an astromart auction
http://www.astromart.com/auctions/details.asp?auction_id=4558

final bid $2550. So I was wrong about the $2700.

If you search the astromart website for the last 10 years. Yes you can do that. you can get a very good idea of the varying prices of unitron for the last 10 years. You search bot the auctions and the classifieds.
You can find out just about what every classic scope has sold for. Or any other scope you are thinking of buying and you do not need to be a member.




If you look it was missing parts the top transfer box was missing


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