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MessiToM
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Reged: 12/21/09

Loc: Huntingdon PA
PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help?
      #5778084 - 04/04/13 04:32 PM

http://www.huntingdoncounty.net/HuntingdonBorough/Documents/Finished_Zoning_O...

Iam curious If i could use this to help "encourage" my neighbor to shield his dusk till dawn stupidly bright light.

Page 138 and 139. I think section 507A (his light is more than 6ft above the ground) and 507D because his light is very bright, un-shielded, and spills into my yard (and kitchen.

I think I "have him" if the argument is "by the book"


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MessiToM
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Loc: Huntingdon PA
Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5778097 - 04/04/13 04:38 PM

The light I would like shielded is the white one center. The yellow light is from another neighbor's motion spot lights.



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Footbag
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Reged: 04/13/09

Loc: Scranton, PA
Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5778238 - 04/04/13 06:03 PM

Are you on good terms? Maybe just stop by and ask them politely. Even offer to pay and do the work. Probable no more the $20. The "book" should be the fallback plan.

I was always bothered by my neighbors lights. In conversations with them, I mentioned light pollution without pointing out their lights. One day I tell them I'm doing some imaging and the next thing I know they turn the lights off. Now, if they see me out there, they shut them off.


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MessiToM
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: Footbag]
      #5778649 - 04/04/13 09:39 PM

Hes kind of a *BLEEP* but you never know. I just wanted all the facts before I approach him. I think I may be able to make a shield out off sheet metal and a large hose clamp.....IF he is willing to let me install it.

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obin robinson
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5779056 - 04/05/13 07:35 AM

I happened to notice that this annoying light you speak of is in what appears to be a car port or some sort of covered work area. That is so stupid of this guy to think that somehow this light on all night would stop a their from stealing anything in that area. People can be so dumb when they assume that leaving a light on all night long would somehow prevent a robbery. The truth of the matter is that if someone wanted to waltz right in there and take something they would without you or him knowing anything about it. That light on is doing nothing but wasting electricity.

obin


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csa/montana
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5779196 - 04/05/13 09:14 AM

It looks like there's a fairly high fence between the properties; you could just drape something over the fence, while observing, to block the light.

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MessiToM
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5779331 - 04/05/13 10:35 AM

No. The fence is only about waist high. I wish.

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csa/montana
Den Mama
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5779387 - 04/05/13 10:58 AM

Darn; it looks much higher in the photo. If the neighbor won't cooperate, you might consider building some LP panels for observing.

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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5779668 - 04/05/13 01:50 PM

How about a temporary shield like black plastic between 2 poles? Something you can set up between uses?

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MessiToM
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: richard7]
      #5781087 - 04/06/13 03:11 AM

Iam off this weekend. Something has to change. I noticed I could see his light through both sides of my dob's light shroud material. No doubt hurting some contrast.

I may make something temporary here soon.


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buddyjesus
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5782115 - 04/06/13 04:07 PM

clamps and a tarp on that fence would help too for the time being, but since the lamp is on his property, it is his problem to fix. gl getting him to put a shield on it.

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MessiToM
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Reged: 12/21/09

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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: buddyjesus]
      #5782435 - 04/06/13 07:11 PM

I asked him today about a shield. I told him I would buy/make one AND install it for him. He said. "yea, ill have to see what it looks like"

He said he is worried about someone tampering with his vehicles (B.S) and I think he is worried I want to block a lot of his INsecurity light. In fact I just want my yard shielded and am confident I can please the both of us if he will give me a chance.

Can you buy shields? I think a bought one would appeal to him more than the home made one I had in mind.

Iam pretty sure this is his light although I have a hard time believing its only 70watts
http://www.lowes.com/pd_100964-337-MD70HWUT_0__?productId=3071677&Ntt=sec...


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MessiToM
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5782594 - 04/06/13 08:42 PM

I was just outside playing with mock cardboard shields.

I have found that a tiny 4.5"x4.5" shield facing my property is all that is needed to darken my yard. IMO this still leaves tons of "security" light on his vehicles.


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orion61

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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5785616 - 04/08/13 10:46 AM

A Dog does much more to deter a thief, they are all basic cowards. You cant TALK a Dog out of protection mode.
I live across the Street from a Funeral Parlor.
They leave their large white Panel light on 24/7.
It is about 5" tall and 8' wide and is as bright as a street light. I can easily read by it from my yard.
I havent talked to him about it but am tempted to ask if he doesn't mind me throwing a tarp over it while I am out.
You guys in the Country have no idea how lucky you are.
I hope your light is is easy to resolve..


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MessiToM
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: orion61]
      #6033324 - 08/18/13 06:00 PM

Well as an update my neighbor wont shield his light.

I asked the code enforment officer to check out the situation for me. I however have no idea of what the outcome of this may be. He seemed to just be blowing me off on the phone.

Also to make things worse my neighbor used to sit on the board so hes sort of one of "the good ole boys" as far as the bourough is concerned.

I can barely observe from my yard. I rarely go out anymore ; (


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amicus sidera
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #6034169 - 08/19/13 09:04 AM

Has all interaction with your neighbor and code official been verbal up to this point? I ask because it has been my experience that, after niceties fail, letters explaining the situation and requesting relief, if properly drafted, can be effective.

Officials, especially, tend to respond better to written requests than verbal ones.

Of course, nothing may motivate the code official if he and your neighbor are, as you say, "good old' boys", and belong to the same "club" in town. If that's the case, any local judge you might bring the issue before is likely a member of the same "club", so your chances of success if going that route might be minimal.

It might be time to consider light-blocking panels.

Fred


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csa/montana
Den Mama
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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #6034441 - 08/19/13 12:02 PM

It might be time to consider light block panels. Check this link out (scroll down), for many illustrations other members have come up with.

Link


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MessiToM
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Reged: 12/21/09

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Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6034589 - 08/19/13 01:27 PM

Thank you. Iam not going to "legally" pursue this anymore. It seems futile.

Yes a light blocking panel will be my next endeavor. Iam thinking about a more permanent high solid fence sort of thing. Perhaps painted hot pink on the side facing him. lol


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astro-monkey
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Loc: Nebraska
Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: MessiToM]
      #6036585 - 08/20/13 01:59 PM

Put up a giant panel / fence / wall with a mirror on his side. Then he'll have even more INsecurity light.

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Jeff Phinney
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Loc: CA
Re: PDF of my town's ordinances of lighting. May Help? new [Re: astro-monkey]
      #6036598 - 08/20/13 02:10 PM

Quote:

Put up a giant panel / fence / wall with a mirror on his side. Then he'll have even more INsecurity light.




Aluminized Mylar that shines the light back and blows in wind causing shifting shadows should continually get this attention.


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