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lamplight
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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5776867 - 04/04/13 12:39 AM

I just visited az .. Phooey. Visited Hopi reservation not the GC... never did a star party. Maybe next time.

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Kevdog
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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: lamplight]
      #5777536 - 04/04/13 12:14 PM

We have our camping site booked up and have done for a while.

Is there a link for information like where everything will be set up and such so I know where to go and when?

Didn't realize it was at the north rim as well. We'll be camping at the north rim a month afterwards, but maybe we'll do the star party at the north rim next year!

Thanks!


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Skylook123
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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5778006 - 04/04/13 04:00 PM

The event on the South Rim will be in the commercial parking lot north of the main visitor center at night, and at various locations around the park during the day for solar/planet observing.

General information is at the South Rim URL in the first post in this thread.

If you are going to be one of the volunteer astronomers, you need to register with me at

gcsp [at] tucsonastronomy.org

so I can get you the information and forms you'll need for the park.

If you will be a visitor, just show up whenever you wish during the week. This is a public outreach event, but most visitors evaporate by about 10:30 PM so we get to have our own fun after that.


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5778129 - 04/04/13 04:52 PM

Thanks for the info!

I have a C11, but no battery system for power (I run off my camper when we're out camping with no electric hookup). So I think I'll just be a visitor this year at least.


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Kevdog]
      #5778664 - 04/04/13 09:44 PM

Great. You can spend time getting great views from the 18"-28" scopes at 7000 feet.

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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5778813 - 04/04/13 11:44 PM

You can get great views through just about any scope up there!

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Skylook123
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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 [Re: skyward_eyes]
      #5778851 - 04/05/13 12:35 AM

That's true, but I still remember the time about five years or so ago when Roy Ang put the beta version of his latest image intensifier onto Dennis' 28" scope, and then they added the binoviewer. You tried to get me to look through it, but I didn't need to lust after more equipment. But you guys claimed you could see condos being built in Andromeda.

By the way, got my new Mallincam Junior yesterday, so of course it's overcast. First light was in the living room with the laptop and no scope.

Edited by Skylook123 (04/05/13 12:38 AM)


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: lamplight]
      #5853554 - 05/11/13 10:53 AM

Jim,

Have you emailed out the Star Party Information packets?


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: skyward_eyes]
      #5855222 - 05/12/13 11:05 AM

No, this week sometime.

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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5867784 - 05/17/13 05:40 PM

For those who have registered for the South Rim GCSP and are anticipating your registration packages, we've had to rewrite Marker Marshall's and my welcome letters. The changes in NPS funding caused a major personnel shuffle yesterday, and we will be losing a portion of our Interpretive Ranger support (two of the three from last year will not be part of the event), and the three park aids on duty until midnight has been reduced to one park aid terminating at 9:30 PM. We need to rewrite a bit, and some of us will need to pick up a few minutes of the setup/takedown tasks. I'll get the packages in the email this weekend.

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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5869280 - 05/18/13 12:58 PM

Jim,

As always, our RLD group will help anyway we can. Of course, we won't be there till Wed -- but will do whatever. Also, let us know setup locations that you & Marker want for our group. We should have about 10 scopes total.


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: azpalmer]
      #5869584 - 05/18/13 03:31 PM

Thanks as always, Jim. I'll send you an email with some of what we think will be improvements in the setup. Bottom line, Marker is going to have us set up differently in a way that should provide a lot more space in the main area (set up on the sides, one path up the middle, like a two sided Yavapai setup), permanent setups on the west side where a cable fence can act as part of the isolation, plus using the southwest corner for handicap access to scopes (i.e. video and SCTs set for wheel chair access) without the climb through the site - at least three of us will have video capability.

One huge problem we've had over the last two years is that when you come around the Visitor Center, with its parking lot and pavilion lighting, into our inkwell, the scopes are literally invisible as are curbs and we've had several falls off the sidewalk each night. The scopes are even invisible to me coming out from the night talks, and I know where they are! The video in the southwest corner will be a beacon, and any glare will be oriented and isolated to avoid interference with the other scopes. I would anticipate RLD might be down in the main area with all the extra space we should have; that way, Jim Sauscavage can help me improve my Mallincam Junior skills.

Although it's disappointing about losing some of the great Ranger and park aid support, but all of the astronomers have always chipped in with a few minutes of help to pull it off. At least we don't have all those forty pound sandbags to move from Yavapai!


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5874275 - 05/20/13 05:24 PM

Sounds good. I know I'll have an additional 6 traffic cones that have red leds in them we use for our programs -- if they'll help. Our group wants to minimize any impact on the rest of the astronomers. We look forward to seeing everyone again.

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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: azpalmer]
      #5896612 - 06/01/13 07:10 PM

I am planning for next year.

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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: azpalmer]
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Sounds good. I know I'll have an additional 6 traffic cones that have red leds in them we use for our programs -- if they'll help. Our group wants to minimize any impact on the rest of the astronomers. We look forward to seeing everyone again.




We'll know more after our check-out Friday night, and how we want to go. Marker has more cones from another Park agency, so we'll see how things shake out. We might try a new foot print, or stay as before with more help getting from the VC to the scopes. It really is an ink well coming around, so we'll work out what might work better.

We're all in this together. Our attempt is to make us "one group". Here is the new tent we'll use at the "information center" at Mather Aspen Loop Number 36. It will have a table with other information inside, and we're trying to get another mug shot wall going.


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: BRCoz]
      #5896779 - 06/01/13 09:11 PM

Quote:

I am planning for next year.




Got your email, Bruce. You're number four for 2014.


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5897000 - 06/01/13 11:23 PM

Quote:

The changes in NPS funding caused a major personnel shuffle yesterday...




NPS really needs to learn that the "Park User Experience" is the Bigger Draw than the "Number of Park Enforcement Rangers", and find ways to overcome their "Institutionalized Stogginess" when it comes to Organized Special Events occuring in OUR National Parks.

Glad to see that they didn't simply Pull-the-Plug...


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5897017 - 06/01/13 11:32 PM

Quote:

The changes in NPS funding caused a major personnel shuffle yesterday, and we will be losing a portion of our Interpretive Ranger support (two of the three from last year will not be part of the event), and the three park aids on duty until midnight has been reduced to one park aid terminating at 9:30 PM.




Does this mean that you'll have need for even more Volunteers to fill the gaps ?? Or were the Financial Considerations based on a set number of Volunteers ??


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: seigell]
      #5897887 - 06/02/13 01:58 PM

When a special event occurs, one of the experienced Rangers is put in nominal charge, and prepares requests for personnel support and other special considerations like changing the bus schedule or making other facility schedule changes.

Up until about three years ago, we got one primary Interpretive Ranger (now Marker Marshall, for the last seven years), one Ranger assistan since overtime was not authorized and she was required to take Sunday and Monday nights off, and three park aids for traffic control but only until about 8 PM. The astronomers handled the take down of traffic signs and opening of the restroom windows.

For our first two years at the new site, the Visitor Center commercial parking area, Marker requested more support, and got some. We had three full time Rangers (Marker, another Interp, and a loaner astronomy specialist from Desert View) and four park aids until midnight. Great support. And the Grand Canyon Association, funded by donations and sales at the park book stores, kicked in over $1400 to buy new illuminated sign boards, traffic control signs, laser pointers for Ranger sky tours, deep cycle batteries, inverters, chargers, and red rope lights for foot traffic guidance. Quite an improvement. Then this March, the $1.3 million budget cut from sequester hit, and things changed. Laura Jevtich, the astronomy seasonal Ranger at Desert View and many other seasonals were not hired back. Marker was loaned one Ranger assistant with no astronomy experience or GCSP familiarity for her mandatory off days. And we are allowed one park aid until 9:30 PM. We astronomers will have to close up shop again, although at Yavapai that meant lugging 40 pound sand bags for the traffic barriers, while now it requires rolling up and securing the sets of red rope lights, getting the inverter and batteries secured and batteries on charge, and stowing the signs closing one parking lot to keep the light intrusion away.

We actually ARE being supported quite well compared to other horror stories I've heard of long time special interest events that have lost support because the bodies just aren't available. Even some of the major environmental impact studies like a light pollution survey and remediation have had to revert to donation and special Grand Canyon Association grant funding. Several of our volunteer astronomers from around North America will miss their first event in over 15 years or more due to furloughs due to the sequester. One good friend is cut back over 20% for five months with one week notice. He thought he was moving to a better job and took a bath on a home he'd been living in for decades, and found that the selling price was high enough that he owed a big donation to the IRS as well. Double whammy. Things are tough all around, and we long term volunteers remember when we were lucky to get one Ranger and an aid.

Truthfully, I worry more about the shortage of daytime support to the visitor load. I've seen how much help that a Ranger or park aid can be in culling the confused visitor from the herd and helping the rest of the visitors proceed with their visit. Doesn't take many lost or confused folks to cause many others to be impacted. We astronomer volunteers are accustomed to carrying our load where we can, but in the heat at altitude, things will be an exercise in coping skills.


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Re: Grand Canyon Star Party, June 8 - 15, 2013 new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5898791 - 06/03/13 12:06 AM

I'll probably have a scope set up here in NY for at least some of the nights. Do you have 2,600 miles of red rope lights?

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