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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: swalker]
      #5852308 - 05/10/13 04:45 PM

Reality can be soooo cruel! Oh well, maybe eventually there will be a regular-size Mercury globe at least.

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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: swalker]
      #5852781 - 05/10/13 09:35 PM

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That's nice, but I really don't see that ever happening, particularly by us. Globes come in certain sizes only because of the tooling or "molds" used to press-fit them. Creating four unique sizes for mass production would be prohibitively expensive. After all, who would want to pay $500 or more for a chipboard ball with printing on it?




While I agree it probably wouldn't be very profitable, there are several globe sizes already available; wouldn't it be fairly simple just to get the dies and stamp out a few? Or is there a lot of work involved that I'm not understanding? Even a single size (6"?), to cover the Magificent Seven (Luna, Titan, Triton, & the Galilean moons)? With the regular 12" globes for the planets (plus the two 12" ones for the Moon). You could have a regular menagerie!

Last I heard (months ago), the Mercury globe was tentatively set for summer. Is that still the plan?


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5856954 - 05/13/13 08:24 AM

I was responding to the comments on scale model globes. While there are different sizes for globes, scaling them to be readable is another matter entirely. One doesn't just shrink a globe, the text needs to be readable still, yet not terribly intrusive.

The Mercury globe will probably be later, since we have not received the global map converted into the "daisy" hemispheres yet. Then once we do receive it, we have to label it, which is a bit of a moving target currently (many new names are approved each month for Mercury features).


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: swalker]
      #5857334 - 05/13/13 12:06 PM

Attention:
I just placed my order for the Mars Topo globe about 15 minutes ago.


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5857390 - 05/13/13 12:29 PM

wow, that's quite a feat. I don't see it on our online store yet.

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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: swalker]
      #5857562 - 05/13/13 01:38 PM

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wow, that's quite a feat. I don't see it on our online store yet.




The lady on the Customer Service line found it. I think it was item TPMARGL. When I asked her to verify that it wasn't the Moon topo globe, she tried to find it by item number, and couldn't; but then she went back in by whatever way she used first, and found it fine - good enough to place the order, anyway. I know it's not the regular Mars globe, because it was $109.95 instead of $99.95; and besides, she did double check, and the description definitely said "Mars Topographic".

Whether it's just the web site in the process of update in preparation, or if it's actually being shipped right away, remains to be seen. I hope it's the latter!


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5857628 - 05/13/13 02:14 PM

I GOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the heads up, Rick!!!

PS -- I was told that it should arrive in 10 bus. days ... and I should be getting my new Moon (photographic) globe soon too!


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5889423 - 05/28/13 05:43 PM Attachment (25 downloads)

Mine arrived this afternoon! It is really gorgeous and the colors are intense. Curiosity's landing spot as well as the other rovers' are plotted. Here's a pic of it and the 3rd edition 2011 regular Mars globe....

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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5889425 - 05/28/13 05:46 PM Attachment (25 downloads)

and here's the others I've recently added...

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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5889591 - 05/28/13 07:28 PM

Mine came while I was out camping in the mountains last week. I just picked up my mail, and wow! This globe is superb, perfect in every way! And, I see they've changed the packing arrangement so that the globe won't have holes poked in it by the base.

Thanks, guys! This was definitely worth waiting for.

Maya, where's your Earth globe? (Ahh, never mind; who cares about that!)


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5889640 - 05/28/13 08:00 PM

Glad to hear your Mars globe arrived in perfect shape too!

Thank you S&T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't need an Earth globe, Rick. Paul tells everyone that Mars is my home planet anyway.


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5890822 - 05/29/13 02:36 PM

Glad you all like it!

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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5891702 - 05/30/13 01:52 AM

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I don't need an Earth globe, Rick. Paul tells everyone that Mars is my home planet anyway.




LOL, that's what my wife says about me, too!


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5891863 - 05/30/13 06:58 AM

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and here's the others I've recently added...




Fantastic collection, Maya!


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: rockethead26]
      #5892893 - 05/30/13 05:04 PM

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Glad you all like it!



It's really great to compare the Mars topo version with the regular -- the topo globe instantaneously conveys the shape and size of the terrain features. I just love it!

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LOL, that's what my wife says about me, too!



Nothing wrong with that!

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Fantastic collection, Maya!





Thanks! I'm enjoying these so much! Maps/books are great but these globes add more of an immediate study access when sitting within view on a desk, etc.

I see in my just arrived July issue of S&T on pg. 67 the new Mars topo globe is pictured -- get 'em while they're hot off the presses folks!


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5893191 - 05/30/13 08:38 PM

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It's really great to compare the Mars topo version with the regular -- the topo globe instantaneously conveys the shape and size of the terrain features.




That's what I've been doing, too. It's quite interesting to compare the albedo Mars with the topo Mars, and see where the albedo features actually correspond with anything topographical. Then, I wonder why that would be, and why there's not more of it.

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I see in my just arrived July issue of S&T on pg. 67 the new Mars topo globe is pictured -- get 'em while they're hot off the presses folks!




Amen to that! I screwed up and missed the first issue; I think I was the first one to order this time.

Maya, you have both topo versions; is it my imagination, or is the coloring a bit more complex and varied in the new one? For example, the Alba Patera region seems less intricately colored in your picture of the older one. Or, is that just an effect of the picture?


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5893288 - 05/30/13 09:12 PM

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Maya, you have both topo versions; is it my imagination, or is the coloring a bit more complex and varied in the new one? For example, the Alba Patera region seems less intricately colored in your picture of the older one. Or, is that just an effect of the picture?






I only have this new topo version of Mars (likewise I missed out on the first one -- but the new one more than makes up for it! ) and the differences in the photos are due to the lighting/angle/flash. Alba Patera is very detailed and vivid in colorations but glare from lighting on the globe obscure that somewhat. I was using the camera flash and incandescent overhead lights. After reducing the photo down in small kb size for posting some detail is lost as well. The first pic with both Mars globes looks to me to be closest to actual globe colors etc.

The topo version is a real eye-opener as to the terrain variances! Look at Gale Crater/Mt. Sharp! If I could only have just the one I'd keep the topo version.

The new July S&T is loaded with great articles, as always, and the topo Mars and topo Venus are depicted as well in the article, "Is Plate Tectonics Necessary for Sentient Life?"


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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: Crow Haven]
      #5894417 - 05/31/13 02:27 PM

The new topo globe appears distinctly more saturated coloring than the earlier version. Thats how it looks putting the two in the office together...

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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! It's Here!!!! new [Re: swalker]
      #5897739 - 06/02/13 12:31 PM

I have half a dozen of Mars globes (Phobos & Deimos) but my favorite Mars globe is the smallest:



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Re: New S&T Mars Topo Globe Coming! new [Re: GDN]
      #5940522 - 06/25/13 09:36 PM

hey, Jerry...

> I still think the four-rocky planets to-scale would be
> great for a teaching model.

sorry to take two months to offer a reply. I actually have such a set, sort of -- Earth, Moon, Mars, Mercury -- produced by NASA in the 1970s. the Moon and Mars are made of solid wood!

and that's the problem: globes, like telescopes, come in quantized sizes. it would be prohibitively expensive to produce the inner planets to scale, even if you fudged a bit and used 12-inch globes for both Earth and Venus.

we've run into this same problem in thinking about a set of globes for the Galilean satellites <shhh!>


clear skies,
Kelly


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