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Sean Puett
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tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new
      #5785602 - 04/08/13 10:37 AM

I have a protostar link but, their tubes only go to 12" diameter and 48" ling. I thought I remembered seeing larger tubes for sale somewhere. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5785830 - 04/08/13 12:10 PM

shapes unlimited offer tubes 96" long.

the have stock shapes, that's what you want to buy. so if you have to move up or down an inch so be it.

aitwood has plywood cylinders

both places can custom veneer the tubes at extra cost.


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5786047 - 04/08/13 01:29 PM

Maybe you could try a welding/fabrication shop to see if they would roll an aluminum tube for your telescope. I've been thinking along these lines for a 20" tube but have not investigated the cost yet.

JimC


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Sean Puett
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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5786576 - 04/08/13 06:24 PM

That shapes unlimited place looks perfect. I'll check out the other one later

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Sean Puett
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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5786895 - 04/08/13 09:20 PM

Any more suggestions?

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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5786985 - 04/08/13 09:57 PM

You could make a truss scope.

JimC


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5787006 - 04/08/13 10:11 PM

You might look here:

http://www.parksoptical.com/index2.php?cPath=26_136&cat=Fiberglass+Tubes+...


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5787064 - 04/08/13 10:38 PM

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Any more suggestions?



Quote:

You could make a truss scope.

JimC




Sean, I'll second the truss scope build, unless you have a specific reason for a full tube design.
I'm sure you remember seeing mine at the last star party, much easier to travel with.


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: StarDusty]
      #5787525 - 04/09/13 07:48 AM

Parks Optical is defunct, unfortunately.

JimC


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Dick Jacobson
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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Mirzam]
      #5787670 - 04/09/13 09:29 AM

If you don't want to make a truss, a two-piece solid tube is an excellent alternative that improves portability.

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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? [Re: Dick Jacobson]
      #5787818 - 04/09/13 11:01 AM

My first homebuilt scope was a split tube using two sections of sonotube held together by adjustable shelving rails. It was quite a bit lighter than a full sonotube style.

Sonotube, by the way, comes in 12 ft lengths, which should be plenty long enough for the OP's scope.

JimC


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Sean Puett
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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sky Captain]
      #5787905 - 04/09/13 12:04 PM

I want a solid tube because it is easier for a first build, I can reuse most of my parts, there are less thermal issues, easier to hold collimation, and I like the alt clutch design that gso uses and I want to use it on the scope.
I may just lengthen my current tube a bit and remove the dents and dings from it. I could just make a dew shield like device to help block stray light. I don't know if I want a paper tube and the plywood tube is nearly $300.


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5788478 - 04/09/13 03:17 PM

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I don't know if I want a paper tube




my 10in dia tube is fine, just soak the ends in expoy. fill the spiral seam with bondo.



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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5788825 - 04/09/13 05:58 PM

Nice job, and purty too!.....
Sam


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Sean Puett
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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: planet earth]
      #5789233 - 04/09/13 10:02 PM

That looks great. Maybe I could try that. There is one 62" long for $70. Much better than 300.

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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5800111 - 04/15/13 09:47 AM

http://www.sonotube.com/products/sonotubeconcreteforms/round/sizechart.aspx
I got my 12" tube at our local concrete outlet. Works great. Had to buy a 10' length.


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5800565 - 04/15/13 01:43 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

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I want a solid tube because it is easier for a first build, I can reuse most of my parts, there are less thermal issues, easier to hold collimation, and I like the alt clutch design that gso uses and I want to use it on the scope.





Sean,
Just sharing my experience making a paper-tube scope a la stellafane's website and moving on to a 12" Truss.

Agree that the solid tube is easier to build, but there are some things the truss is just better at. My 2 cents:

1. Make sure the tube is stiff because placing the secondary sucks when the tube warps under tension. It is much easier on my truss because the rings are plywood.

2. Solid tube scope should have more thermal problems, because they hold the air current closer to the light path whereas trusses don't really have a tube to hold anything. Caveat: The mirror box has to be open at the bottom on the truss.
3. If you make your alt bearings large enough and balance your scope, you shouldn't have any need for a clutch. Personally, I hate the clutch on my 12" lightbridge (partly why I'm building the truss).

What I did is build a dob 4.5 from a $14 meade tube, then graduated to a 8 inch build with an 8 inch f5 mirror, now trying truss. I learned a ton, and made plenty of mistakes. I definitely benefitted from building the solid tube first -- mostly with regard to building the bearings.


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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5801318 - 04/15/13 07:10 PM

PM sent.

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Sean Puett
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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: kfiscus]
      #5801430 - 04/15/13 08:22 PM

The reason I like the clutches is that my eyepieces vary in size so much that balancing the scope for all of them is not quite possible in the current configuration. I am sure there is a better design, I am not sure I want to redo the whole design.

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Re: tubes for 12" dob OTA 13-14" dia. 60" long where? new [Re: Sean Puett]
      #5801517 - 04/15/13 09:04 PM Attachment (12 downloads)

Sean -

IMHO Sonotubes are underestimated. They are inexpensive, light for their size, and adequately strong. I used sonotube for the 16 inch Cassegrain shown here. The tube is 18 inches in diameter, came in a 12 foot length for --- oh probably $60. Very hard to beat. As said earlier, soak the ends in epoxy, fill the spiral with bondo, finish with epoxy and paint. They can be made to compete with the smoothess of aluminum tubes, or crudely painted with house paint for functionality or anything in between.

I suggest you get a tube from a cement contractor supply for consistent sizing. Typical home supply shops use what they call "nominal sizing". an 8 inch tube can be a variety of diameters. That is so they can slip three tubes inside one another for easier shipping.

Dick Parker


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