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jrcrillyAdministrator
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: cavefrog]
      #5794545 - 04/12/13 02:01 PM

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Second hand purchase, but in brand new condition before shipping.

Theo




That's a tough break for the seller - unless he tricks you into thinking that it's your fault he chose the carrier he selected, or the packing method he used. There's a reason that only the seller can buy insurance. It's because only the seller has any liability.


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KerryR
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: jrcrilly]
      #5794774 - 04/12/13 03:43 PM

As John suggests, it doesn't seem fair that you would get stuck with a loss-- this wasn't your fault by any stretch, yet you're the one who's positioned lose out. You should consider getting your money back from the seller and let the seller deal with the issue-- it's more his/her fault than yours or the shippers. At least that's the way it's looking to me. This doesn't fit into the "all sales final" realm, unless you bought it knowing it was broken.

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Geo.
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: KerryR]
      #5795121 - 04/12/13 05:57 PM

Yes, legally the seller carries the liability to get the cargo to the buyer safely unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise.

See: Primer on Freight Loss and Damage Claims http://networkfob.com/pdfs/claimprimer.pdf

As the shipper's liability runs to the consignor, he's the one who has the claim for loss and has to prosecute it. He cannot shift his burden to the consignee. Paypal will enforce the consignee's rights if the seller baulks.

Hey, wasn't there someone here last week looking for a corrector?


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orion61

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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: Geo.]
      #5795160 - 04/12/13 06:13 PM

If the packaging passes the minimum it should be covered.
If they decide to reop the packages from the back of a Semi instead of lifting it is their error.
There is a thing called expected handeling care of your package.
There will be signs of mis-handeling on the box, even if it landed flat.
Are there pics before shipping? Don't let them give you guff.
You paid for their service and they are responsible for its care while in their hands.
I have battled with shippers about 10 times.. the latest was
just paid off last month, after them trying to decline the
claim!! I wouldn't take it.. A quick letter from my Attorney got their attention.....
Don't give up.. you may be able to buy it back for 10 cents on the dollar for parts... You could sell the Corrector easily.. Not that it would be a premium match.. but may get another system working.


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Steven
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: orion61]
      #5795533 - 04/12/13 10:39 PM

From the pictures, the secondary back plate is still intake. That means it came off because the collimation screws are not tighten well. Does it have Bob Knobs or the original screws? It sure point to the seller negligence.

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orion61

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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: Steven]
      #5795589 - 04/12/13 11:12 PM

After looking again it does look like the secondary screws were not tight enough and they vibrated out causing the secondary to fall out and chip the Primary, Scratch it up.
I didn't catch that, I thought the secondary was knocked off or the backing plate..
This goes right back to the sender.. His fault.
How was it paid for? If by card get them involved.. If by PayPal start a dispute. BY ALL MEANS do it NOW!
If you sent a MO and it has cleared it may be too late.
Lets hope he will stand behind his problem, You certainly shouldn't have to eat it on this one...
I'm feeling bad for you about right now...


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cavefrog
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: Steven]
      #5795622 - 04/12/13 11:27 PM

OK, this post was not about whose fault it was. The guy already is sending me back my money, as I am sending him back the scope. I appreciate the backup as to what caused this, but I really don't want to make this seller feel any worse about the situation. He has lost a valuable piece of equipment, and I feel really bad for him. This has been a very trusting transaction, and I hope the best for him with dealing with the insurance co.

Theo


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cavefrog
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: cavefrog]
      #5795633 - 04/12/13 11:34 PM

"Hey, wasn't there someone here last week looking for a corrector? "

This is something I had thought about, and was going to mention to the seller. an unmatched corrector is better than no corrector.

Funny thing that... it was the corrector that I was worried about, and had mentioned to the seller. turns out it was the only glass part that "almost" did not get damaged. there is a small scratch or 2 on the inside, but for someone needing a corrector, it is totally usable.

Theo


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cavefrog
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: cavefrog]
      #5795651 - 04/12/13 11:46 PM

Dang it! It was a beautiful piece of equipment, ( as he types the tears are falling between the keys) He sent me over 40 pictures before during and after packing. plenty of documentation. He also sold me a CGE polar scope (yah, yah, yah, I know, ya don't need one.) and a 31 Nagler. both brand new condition. not a mark on 'em. The OTA was in original packing. we had discussed double boxing, but It was gonna cost another $130.00 or so, and I figured it had been shipped twice in a single box and survived, and what was good enough for Celestron, was good enough for me. I don't think it would have helped anyway.

Theo


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Starhawk
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: cavefrog]
      #5795752 - 04/13/13 01:25 AM

I've heard of something like this happening before. And it may have been a c-14.

For future reference, you'd want to paint anything which wasn't a functional mirror surface. The paint is very forgiving and like I said, will come off with isopropyl alcohol if you want a redo.

-Rich


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KerryR
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: cavefrog]
      #5796431 - 04/13/13 11:20 AM

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OK, this post was not about whose fault it was. The guy already is sending me back my money, as I am sending him back the scope. I appreciate the backup as to what caused this, but I really don't want to make this seller feel any worse about the situation. He has lost a valuable piece of equipment, and I feel really bad for him. This has been a very trusting transaction, and I hope the best for him with dealing with the insurance co.

Theo




No one here meant to derail the thread. We said those things because it looked as though you were going to accept the problems, eat the inevitable loss, and we all wanted to be sure you knew you didn't have to... All that talk of painting, re-coating, using the scope as is, etc. I'm glad you're not incurring the loss. I'm also sad for the original owner-- this represents a huge loss for him.


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orion61

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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5796449 - 04/13/13 11:30 AM

There is a possability that the mirrors may just be able to be stripped and recoated. Those coatings look a lot worse than they sometimes are when scuffed

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Geo.
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Re: large SCT badly damaged, can it be used? new [Re: Steven]
      #5798556 - 04/14/13 03:01 PM

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From the pictures, the secondary back plate is still intake. That means it came off because the collimation screws are not tighten well. Does it have Bob Knobs or the original screws? It sure point to the seller negligence.




Hard to say. I shipped a Meade 10" to the left coast. when it arrived the secondary baffle had almost vibrated off. It was as tight as it should have been when it left here, but with temp changes and vibration things will come apart. I can Loctite a baffle, but I don't think you'd want to get an SCT with the collimation screws locked up.


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