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Rick J
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Gum 85
      #5822485 - 04/25/13 04:10 PM Attachment (23 downloads)

The Tower of Babel that is the many catalog names for the same object got me again. Seems I entered this object on my to-do list twice, once under Gum 85 and once under SH2-54. The result is the computer that decides what to take, when, dutifully took SH2-54 back in August of 2010 and then again in August of 2012 took Gum 85. Processing so many images I didn't catch it until I finished the processing. Seeing this version is an improvement over the first I decided to run it. Besides, this was one of the few images taken under rather good skies all of 2012. The text below is mostly from that first posting which can be seen at http://www.spacebanter.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3710&stc=1 .

Sh2-54/Gum 85 is a huge star forming region in Serpens Cauda. It is part of the Serpens OB2 Association, a large star forming region. I couldn't find any distance for it but most consider it related to the open star cluster NGC 6604 (a couple degrees out of my frame). That does seem to have a good distance measurement of 5,500 light-years based on Hipparcos and other sources. Though I've found a very wide range on the net these seem to be based on older, less accurate measurements. For more on this area of the sky see:
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/publications/preprints/08preprints/Reipurth_08-209.pdf

Sh2-54 is far too large for my system being about 9 square degrees in area. It does have a brighter area that does fit my image scale so that's the part I centered on. Note there are several "elephant trunk" features in the image. They all point back to NGC 6604 confirming its association with this nebula.

You can see the entire nebula at Dean Salman's website:
http://sharplesscatalog.com/Sharpless.aspx?Sharp=54

Normally I display images with north up. I am making an exception here and have oriented it south up. This is because my sick brain sees this nebula looking like a chihuahua making a rather rude gesture with its front legs. Maybe it should be known as the Rude Chihuahua Nebula? Since a chihuahua's leg can't bend in that direction without breaking that may explain why it is mad. I should mention I'm no fan of that breed. My maternal grandmother carried one wherever she went (7 decades before Paris Hilton). I was 4 and told to kiss grandma good night. The dog chomped on my nose so hard I needed quite a few stitches. Next night I was told to do the same. I put up quite a fight but lost. This time the bandages helped, I only needed two stitches replaced. A couple days later my cat killed the blankety blank dog much to my glee. The dog annoyed it one too many times. Cat was 20 pounds of muscle (mostly Maine Coon), chihuahua 3.5 pounds of trembling "Jello" and sharp teeth. So is it getting back at me from the skies? My wife claims it looks like a pig but she had no encounters with that chihuahua.

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RG=2x10'B=3X10' STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Full image
http://www.spacebanter.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4584&stc=1

Rick


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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: Rick J]
      #5823159 - 04/25/13 09:12 PM

Nice Rick, where is that catalog available? Do you know if its available for the skyx?

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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5823490 - 04/26/13 01:41 AM

This is where I made my error. I had a paper copy of the Gum Catalog of Southern HII objects for many decades, likely acquiring it back in the 50's from an old geezer (about 10 years younger than I am now) who gave me lots of things like that when I was getting started. What I didn't realize is that it is apparently fully incorporated into the Sharpless Catalog so is now considered obsolete. The normal source for catalogs is VizieR Service which is part of SIMBAD. They don't carry it, just the Sharpless catalog any more. They do carry other Gum catalogs, just not this one. Since most are too low for me I think I've only tried for one other on that list which, like this one, I now see I also picked up as a Sharpless object. The first attempt was so poor thanks to it being so low I never did process it so didn't catch this until I redid this one without knowing it. I had a couple others on the To-Do list, also so low they never got taken. I've changed them to Sharpless numbers if conditions ever allow.

A few more will be available from your Arizona latitude.

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Mark72
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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: Rick J]
      #5823506 - 04/26/13 01:59 AM

Interesting one, thanks for pointing out.

Mark


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bill w
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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: Mark72]
      #5823975 - 04/26/13 10:10 AM

nice job on a low object
very photogenic at that scale
and yes, i see the chihuahua


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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: bill w]
      #5824948 - 04/26/13 05:30 PM

Nice shot Rick.

Jim S.


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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: jshalpha]
      #5824991 - 04/26/13 06:05 PM

Rick,

Nice shot and great story! Few astro photos have stories as entertaining as the "Rude Chihuahua Nebula". Much better name than Gum 85. Thread should be re-titled


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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: urbanMark]
      #5826493 - 04/27/13 02:59 PM

Thanks for the comments. I'm surprised some see the chihuahua. Normally I fail to see these and when I do see something entirely different than others see. Rorschach wouldn't like me. I only see the inkblot no matter how hard I try. To me there's a monkey face in M42 no one else sees yet I can't shake it.

This one, as bill suggests, is pretty low for my latitude so not sure why I tried it in the first place let alone a second time. I'm not happy with the star colors but both times this is how they came out. Seems related to how I tried to reduce them. They really were dominant and apparently my star reduction technique (rarely used) isn't up to the task. Star colors seemed to map differently to the luminance after the stars in that frame were reduced. Maybe I need to do that after combining with the color data.

Rick


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Re: Gum 85 new [Re: Rick J]
      #5828583 - 04/28/13 03:11 PM

Rick,
Sounds like there are unresolved chihuahua issues....

The image is great. I have a wide field of this region like most people do. I find it interesting when you set your long FL optics on some of the details of larger objects it usually makes for an interesting view. (And sometimes an interesting story.)


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