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Rocketlawnchair
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Re: Stone Tarvern Farm new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5823158 - 04/25/13 09:12 PM

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Wait a second, they're portraying this place as a dark sky getaway, and you still have to deal with floodlights? What gives?

If I want bright lights in my face while observing, anywhere nearby will do... and it's free.





I may have missed something, but nowhere in this thread or on their website did I read that THEY portray this site as a dark sky getaway.

Looks like a great observing site to me.


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amicus sidera
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Re: Stone Tarvern Farm new [Re: Rocketlawnchair]
      #5824259 - 04/26/13 12:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Wait a second, they're portraying this place as a dark sky getaway, and you still have to deal with floodlights? What gives?

If I want bright lights in my face while observing, anywhere nearby will do... and it's free.





I may have missed something, but nowhere in this thread or on their website did I read that THEY portray this site as a dark sky getaway.

Looks like a great observing site to me.




Nowhere did I say that the owners of the farm portrayed their property as such; "they're" refers to other amateurs who have visited this site and raved about the dark skies... I've both read and heard this from them. No previous mention of floodlights was ever made by any of them to my knowledge, hence my comment. Additionally, one could reasonably expect fairly dark skies at this location, when referring to its location on the LP map; otherwise, why make such an extended trek?

I agree that it's undoubtedly a good observing spot, provided, however, that one can successfully dodge the local light pollution... otherwise, one cannot dark-adapt, in which case it's not much better than a lot of considerably more convenient sites much nearer to populated areas under orange or red zone skies.

My stands.


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Doc Willie
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Re: Stone Tarvern Farm new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5824486 - 04/26/13 01:54 PM

As I recall, there are one or two lights, not very close. Probably in the summer they are blocked by trees, as I barely remember them being there. In any case, it is no where near like home, where there are lights in every direction.

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Rocketlawnchair
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Re: Stone Tarvern Farm new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5824570 - 04/26/13 02:42 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Wait a second, they're portraying this place as a dark sky getaway, and you still have to deal with floodlights? What gives?

If I want bright lights in my face while observing, anywhere nearby will do... and it's free.





I may have missed something, but nowhere in this thread or on their website did I read that THEY portray this site as a dark sky getaway.

Looks like a great observing site to me.




Nowhere did I say that the owners of the farm portrayed their property as such; "they're" refers to other amateurs who have visited this site and raved about the dark skies... I've both read and heard this from them. No previous mention of floodlights was ever made by any of them to my knowledge, hence my comment. Additionally, one could reasonably expect fairly dark skies at this location, when referring to its location on the LP map; otherwise, why make such an extended trek?

I agree that it's undoubtedly a good observing spot, provided, however, that one can successfully dodge the local light pollution... otherwise, one cannot dark-adapt, in which case it's not much better than a lot of considerably more convenient sites much nearer to populated areas under orange or red zone skies.

My stands.





Sorry Amicus, I misunderstood you then.

Believe me, I fully understand the effect a single light source can have on our night vision, as my remote site is also a horse farm, and often there's an external light left on somewhere when I arrive. I'm lucky though, because I know the owners well and can simply walk over to the light and shut it off. No other lights on the horizon except a very dim light over a kilometer away (which comes in handy for aligning my finderscope).

Occasionally someone is still riding in the outdoor arena when we get there, and that's lit by a large "stadium" light. But they very rarely ride beyond dusk, so by the time we're set-up, the light gets turned off.

It would be frustrating to drive that far, only to have a light on close by.


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Re: Stone Tarvern Farm [Re: Rocketlawnchair]
      #5824785 - 04/26/13 04:15 PM

My bad, Dave; upon re-reading, it's apparent that I should have been clearer in my earlier post, as I now see that it could be very easily misread

Yes indeed, it only takes one ill-placed light to really mess up an otherwise excellent site. If it can be turned off or, in the worst case, blocked, the site is salvageable. Since there are apparently at least a couple of lights up at STF (even if blocked by trees, as Doc has mentioned), it might be wise to take a portable light block of some type when venturing up there; this would really apply anywhere a long drive to a site is undertaken, as a means to avoid disappointment upon arrival. A tarp, rope and a couple of poles would likely suffice.

Fred


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