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faackanders2
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O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new
      #5499961 - 11/01/12 09:24 PM

Just pre ordered O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems. Amazon expects it to ship in January 2013, but Steve has to finish it first. I love his series, and even though I probably won't get to see many of the ojects unless I travel with binos or a small scope (or possibly rent a large dob), it should be a great read. After all he already plucked out his top 436-440 objects with the first 4 mostly northern objects with same guidelines/parameters Messier had (except for Sir Patrick Caldwell Moore's list).

P.S. I still think this indirectly leads to a more detailed Hershell 400 Object List in the future. I wonder if this would finally include them all?


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5499999 - 11/01/12 09:47 PM

Part of me wants it to complete the series of books I already have, the other part says I don't need it, since I live in the north, and will most likely not travel that far south.

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: helpwanted]
      #5500034 - 11/01/12 10:04 PM

It may not sell as well as the others in the Northern Hemisphere, but it may add more sales of the others in the series for those who live in the Souther Hemisphere, who buy this book first and discover the rest of the series after.

P.S. Hoping there may be some overlap, like the Caldwell objects, so I may be able to see some.


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: helpwanted]
      #5502689 - 11/03/12 05:33 PM

Quote:

......................................... since I live in the north, and will most likely not travel that far south.




one can only hope, dream

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5594180 - 12/29/12 11:12 AM

I'm not a world traveler, so I doubt if I'll pick up this one. I do travel to other worlds ... but from here in the Northern Hemisphere.


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5599398 - 01/01/13 11:22 AM

Quote:

I'm not a world traveler, so I doubt if I'll pick up this one. I do travel to other worlds ... but from here in the Northern Hemisphere.


Mike




then the book may be the only way you will see the southern gems

edj


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5599879 - 01/01/13 03:59 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm not a world traveler, so I doubt if I'll pick up this one. I do travel to other worlds ... but from here in the Northern Hemisphere.


Mike




then the book may be the only way you will see the southern gems

edj




I enjoy looking at Hubble images, even though I will never be able to see objects that way in my visual scopes. And I enjoy watching the travel channel to see many places I will never be able to aford to visit (but I can dream wish to eventually visit before I kick the bucket). too late,


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5600170 - 01/01/13 07:18 PM

after my above post, I ordered the book

I did go to New Zealand in 2003,
had a wonderful time and would like to return-some day
but I doubt that I will make it
so I will enjoy the book and dream

edj


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5600271 - 01/01/13 08:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm not a world traveler, so I doubt if I'll pick up this one. I do travel to other worlds ... but from here in the Northern Hemisphere.


Mike




then the book may be the only way you will see the southern gems

edj




Yes, either a book or photos on the internet or TV.


Mike


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #5600818 - 01/02/13 07:55 AM

Is there any info which gem's Steve selected for this guide?

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: Traveler]
      #5607313 - 01/05/13 09:16 PM

Quote:

Is there any info which gem's Steve selected for this guide?




For that you have to wait till the book comes out, which I believe is now March 2013.

I am wondering if it will all be below the celestrial equator (since this would be the first out of 5 books for the south), or if he may do a reverse Messier-like selection, where some object may be in the Northern hemisphere (that can be seen from the southern hemisphere).
I would expect alot of them to be Herschell objects.


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5821089 - 04/24/13 11:34 PM

Received the book last week. Intent to honor James Dunlop who discovered most and cataloged all of the "best" objects in his book (aka "forgotten" Messier of the Southern Hemisphere).
120 objects in total (33 of which are duplicates of the Caldwell list, but excludes SMC & LMC objects which may become another/next book). Apendix of John Dunlop. Appendix of 7 maps containing all the objects with the object number bands on the top so you know which chart to use - the other DSC series should do charts like this; but I still like the inside front and back cover maps of the Messier & Caldwell that I wish this one also had).
Ordered from 0 to 24 hrs RA (like the rest except for Caldwell North to South).


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5821096 - 04/24/13 11:39 PM

43 galaxies
36 globular star clusters
30 open star clusters
3 nebule
6 planatary nebulae
2 dark nebulae
120 total Dunlop objects (33 duplicate from Caldwell)


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5821236 - 04/25/13 02:39 AM

I think the next is the second edition of his Messier objecst book due, allgedly, in October.

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems [Re: faackanders2]
      #5827532 - 04/27/13 11:52 PM

In addition to repeating 33 Caldwell objects, he also repeats 7 Messier objects mostly in Sagitarius (M83,m6,m8,m69,m22,m54,m55).
All objects were all listed in Dunlops catalog, and most were discovered by him.
Since the Messier objects are so well known, I feel these could have been in the appendix, except if Dunlop was the discoverer. O'mearea combined M6 and B283, but did not list brighter M7 which is closer to B283. I always found M7 far more impressing than M6 especially sinceyou can see it naked eye in the south.
If you subtract the Caldwell and Messier Objects you have 120-33-7=80 new objects. I wish O'Meara would have provided 110 new objects and listed thes 40 repeats in the index.
Observers in the Southern Hemisphere will like it since Dunlop probably selected the best of the best from what he could see. Omeara selected the best 120 out of these 620 cataloged Dunlop objects (don't know how many he actually discovered).


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5835121 - 05/01/13 08:00 PM

Of the 120 objects listed in O'Meara's "Southern Gems", 83 were discovered by James Dunlop all in 1826, 20 were discovered by Lacaille, 9 were discovered by Wiliam Herschell, 1 was discovered by Messier (M54/SC109), 1 was discovered by Cacciatore (C78/SG101), 1 was discovered by Hevelius (M22/SG108), 1 was discovere by Flamsteed (M8/SG100), and 4 were known since antiquity: C92/SG48, M6/SG94, C80/SG62(Ptolemy/Halley), & C76/SG85. All were cataloged by Dunlop as part of 629 nebulae and clusters in the Royal Society of London's "Philosophical Transactions" in 1828. Before that Lacaille catalogued 42 nebulae and clusters in 1755 (16 years before Messier's first list of 45 objects ending in M45 of course). So I guess the book honors both Lacaille and Dunlop.

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5836368 - 05/02/13 01:55 PM

Just ordered my "Southern Gems" - will receive it within the week! While I was about it, I also ordered O'Meara's "Herschel 400 Observing Guide". They both look brill - I can't wait, sometimes a week seems awfully long.

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems new [Re: SusanY]
      #5847862 - 05/08/13 02:11 PM

I wasn't going to order this, but then I have all the others, I was able to get it for about $25 on Amazon, and I do live far enough south to see many of the objects included. I've only gone through portions of the book so far, but like what I see. Anyway, observers who like the other O'Meara books will like this one too.

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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems [Re: turtle86]
      #5848538 - 05/08/13 07:33 PM

If I had to rank order O'Meara's Deep Sky Companion Series books this would be my order:
1. Messier Objects
2. Hidden Treasures - Easier to see than many of the Caldwell objects
3. Secret Deep
4. Caldwell Objects - Some more difficult than the rst of the series, but some are the next best after Messier's.
5. Southern Gems - Alot of duplication with Caldwell objects, since Dunlop was the discoverer and/or had these objects in his list.

For the Caldwell duplications O'Meara says he rewrote and made more current. Comparing C72(SG1) and C106(SG2) writeups between both books:
Both of these Caldwell Objects were linked with another Caldwell object, but in Southern Gems they were seperate objects. The Southern Gem Objects all add Dunlops comments, and the wide field maps are only in the appendix (but have all Southern Gem Objects shown; whereas in Calwell Objects the wide field maps were directly before the detailed map of each Caldwell object. Since the appendix maps will be used most often I wish one of each map would have been in the test before each section/cluster of Southern Gem Objects.
The Caldwell (& Messier) Object books had overall sky maps showing locations of all the objects on the inside cover (wish all the other books in the series did the same).
As far of actual written text, 90-95% of text on each individual object is the same although paragraphs may have been slightly reordered and/or intros to the paragraphs may have been re-written. Photos/images are same or better. Southern Gems all have NGC or common name numbers on the detailed charts (but the wide field appendix charts only show Southern Gem numbers), so I also wrote Caldwell and Southern Gem numbers on the detailed charts for all objects shown, making the charts easier to cross reference.
Finally Caldwell orders objects from North to South, so you know your observing limit from your lattitude; Southern Gem could have done the same, but instead chose to order from 00h to 24h Right Assention as the rest of the series (perhaps because it made the wide field appendix charts close to number order (ie. Chart 1 objects 115-120, 1-3, & 5; Chart 2 objects 80, & 82-114; Chart 3 objects 55-84; ...; Chart 7 objects 1-18).

P.S. I believe O'Meara hinted that his next in the series will be Large and Small Magellenic Clouds (possibly a Southern Gem 2 book) since these objects were intentionally not listed/excluded except in Appendix B - 42 additional Southern Gems (more than the 20 additional objects he normally lists).

P.S.S. Unsure how many Hershell 400 objects are still not covered in his Deep Sky Companion Series; but I speculate when he has all or most he will likely incorporate these into a revised Hershell 400 object book. I enjoy O'Meara's writing and detail more in the Deep Sky Companion series.

Finally I wish S&T (or O'Meara/Cambridge) would make the one 8x10" page double sided laminated maps for the Hidden Treasures, Secret Deep, and Southern Gems as they have for the Messier & Caldwell. And/Or have a 5 page folded laminated map of the entire 5 series collection (but this would become obsolete when O'Meara adds another to his series). Hard to believe I can wear out laminated maps but they get used so much I actually do.

Thanks to Stephen J. O'Meara for writing such DSO hunting inspiring books! I would truly have to say these are my most carried, used, and read/re-read astronomy books. The next being Harvard Pennington's Messier series.


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Re: O'Meara Deep Sky Companions - Southern Gems [Re: faackanders2]
      #5858650 - 05/13/13 09:38 PM

First time I ever read the additional object appendix in his books, but the 14 LMC and 6 SMC objects were intriguing.
All 40 objects were recorded in Dunlop's catalog. Two of these were Messier and at least one was a Caldwell object.
Since the LMC and SMC were excluded, I have no doubt O'Meara next book will include these and additional Southern Gems most likely by Dunlop (and perhaps some other Southern observer, since O'Meara like to include different discoverers in his appendix). Anyway I can't wait for the next one to be written either and it hasn't even been announce - perhaps in 2-3 years since Steve has possibly already started.

I read about the first seven objects and the last five. Three of the last five objects make the Grus Triplet, and another NGC7582 probably makes 4 objects visible in the same view. I have come to symphathis with John Dunlop since he was discredited by William Hershell who even claimed some of Dunlops objects as his own due to locations being a little off or his descriptions not being accurate enough (ex, NGC 300). William Hershell was very frustrated with 2/3 of Dunlops list having errors and "wasting his time" attempting to verify; whereas it should be noted John Hershells list had 1/3 errors and was not discredited. Each object is a very intersting read.


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