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scholastic sledgehammer
   
Reged: 05/04/03
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Hi everyone, I guess this is the best place to put this 
The following are/is, literally, my first impressions and first-light of my new, to me, Miyauchi Bs-60iA 22×60 “Pleiades 60” Space Binocular. That and my very first “official/documented” observing report mixed in….LOL.
These particular binoculars seem to be somewhat of a rarity, at least here in the US. I actually couldn’t find much about them, on almost any English-language website. No reviews anywhere; CN, Excelsis, A-mart, etc. The only two places I was able to find any reasonable amount of info on them was on www.bigbinoculars.com, and www.monkoptics.co.uk. Some specifications from these two sites, and what is actually written on the binos themselves(as they don’t come with any manual or documentation, as per the previous owner who said he bought them new from a retailer) are:
Aperture:---------------------60mm Objective type:---------------Achromat Fully Multi-Coated Focal length:------------------300mm Focal ratio:-------------------f/5 Eyepieces:--------------------45° angled Magnification:-----------------22× Eye relief:--------------------14mm(as per bb.com, 18mm as per mo.co.uk)“feels” like ~14 to me. Field of View(FoV):------------- ~3.0° (says 3° on unit itself) Exit Pupil:----------------------~2.7mm Weight:------------------------~2 kg/4.4lb Minimum focus:-----------------~16m/52.5’ Prisms:--------------------------Bak-4 Focus:---------------------------Individual eyepiece Diopter range:--------------------(-10 to +10) Fully Multi-coated:---------------Yes Built in lens hoods:---------------Yes(retractable) Built in tripod adapter:------------Yes Waterproof:----------------------Yes
This morning(09/03/05), I awoke around 04:30 A.M.(EDST(USA)). I was fortunate to have taken a lengthy nap the afternoon before, and went to sleep around 11:00PM after watching “NUMB3RS”. I woke up rested and unable to fall back asleep. I quietly slid outta bed, and took a look outside. Nice clear skies, good transparency, but a bit breezy. I look up towards zenith, hey, is that the “God-O-War”? I haven’t had an opportunity to see him since 2003. After setting up the Pleiades 22×60’s and my observing chair/stool, I went and made a small donation to another very important deity, the porcelain one, so it would bless me with at least an hour of undisturbed viewing time, as it was a bit chilly out and I was only wearing my T-shirt and boxer-briefs. 
I looked first at mars, as it was beckoning me, but the image of it was teeny-tiny and not very detailed or impressive. Looking at it naked eye, I thought I detected a bit of twinkling, but thought it may also be my bleary eyes. I then proceeded to look around the southern and western sky, as that’s pretty much all I can see from my location; from zenith to about due-west, all the way around to about due-south, so only about ¼ (SW-quadrant) of the entire sky. 
While poking around aimlessly, I realized that the measly 3×12 finder, much to my doubts, is actually quite functional, even in my heavily light-polluted, pre-dawn, NYC skies. I also realized, unfortunately, that due to my curtailed viewing time the last few years, I am woefully unfamiliar with the area of sky stretching between the area of the “Summer Triangle” & Delphinus, all the way to Taurus and the Pleiades, probably since there really isn‘t much that can be seen well, in that area of sky, in my skies, with my equipment. I went in and got my red light and a planisphere, but it ended up being of little help, as I couldn’t recognize anything when actually looking at the sky, naked eye, or with 8×42‘s. I do, however, think I might have actually seen the Andromeda galaxy(M31) naked eye, a first to say the least, not certain though, it was about 45° down from zenith, slightly towards NW, peaking from behind the corner of my roof-top. Definitely a smudge with my 8×42’s, and same with the 22×60’s.
Mars kept beckoning me from high above, so I heeded his enticing calls and went inside and dragged out the Megrez 80 II ED on a UA microstar. Popped in a 24mm panoptic, tiny orange ball, kinda like a brightly lit BB on the other side of the room, 15mm panoptic, still a BB, 9mm-T6, blurry BB with allotta scatter/glow around it, I don’t think it was CA as I didn‘t see any on Saturn or Jupiter earlier this year, just atmospheric scatter. Tried a 5mm-T6, slightly bigger BB, even blurrier and more scatter/glow, must be atmospheric scatter, I guess seeing is not so great today?...LOL. Oh well, foiled again. Back to the Miyauchis'.
I noticed something other than a point of light peeking out from the corner of my neighbor's roof-top just SW of zenith,...reached for the 8×42’s,...COOL!!!, the Pleiades cluster, have to wait a few minutes for it to completely clear the roof, kinda wound up about it now, as I haven‘t seen it since last fall/winter. Swept around some more at or around zenith, saw a few satellites merrily drifting along, tracked a few, but not much to see, just a relatively dim point of light moving slowly in a straight line. Saw a few short-lived brightish streaks/flashes, guess some meteorites or possibly iridium(sp?) flares(?).
Ah!!!!!!!, the Pleiades are now clear of the roof, beautiful through the 8×42’s, then the Megrez + 24 pano, nice but not framed well, the sisters and mom and pop just barely squeezed into the FoV. Moved the scope and grabbed the 22×60’s,....WOW!!!...., what a sight to behold!!! I see now why these binos were named “Pleiades”, it’s like they were made for that one object exclusively. Framed perfectly, just enough of the peripheral stars and sky to keep one entranced for hours. I ended up just viewing the Pleiades for the rest of the morning, probably over an hour. The view was as good as any picture of this cluster I’ve ever seen, minus any nebulosity of course. I was completely mesmerized, awestruck even. If I could only use these binos to view this one object forever, it is definitely worth the price of admission for these binos.
I decided to pan around the cluster to get a feel for how things looked at the edges, and I’d have to say that, to my eyes, I could see no change to any of the star shapes or colors, even when being truncated by the field-stop. Top, bottom, left, right, stars appeared unchanged at the edge, same as they look in the center of the FoV. I’ve done this with most of my scopes, and going from memory, but when using my SV102V Apo, when panning the brighter stars of the Pleiades to the edge while using an ep like the Antares W70 25mm, stars looked blurry, slightly bloated, discolored, and/or maybe a bit comet shaped, after switching to a 24mm panoptic, stars were now pinpoint almost to the "almost" very-very edge, but when placed to have the field-stop truncate the star, I still noticed some misshaping, maybe some lateral color or other color changes, and tiny amount of flare, to the stars, but nothing at all I would normally complain about. But with the Miyauchis’, stars at the field-stop looked the same as the central FoV, except cut in half or so. This may probably be attributed to the relatively low power, only 22×, and there is obviously a significant step-up in quality from the likes of the common 15×70’s I own, in which, and even in my pretty decent 8×42’s, star shapes change at the edges, probably in the entire outer 15-20% of the FoV.
I ended up viewing the Pleiades until about 06:11A.M.(EDST(USA)), well after sunrise here. It was interesting watching stars throughout the cluster disappear from view as the sky brightened, and eventually it was just mom and pop and the sisters, along with a couple of straglers, left at the party. It was particularly neat to see the stars in the “rat-tail”, as I call it, leading from Alcyone down to the SE, disappear one by one. I guess it could be likened to the experiences of folks who watch grass grow…LOL.
I can’t wait to try these on the moon, I suppose that will be a better test of chromatic aberration and edge-performance. I have no real intentions of using these terrestrially, as most of my terrestrial viewing involves targets/objects/creatures at considerably varying distances, as well as some being quite mobile, therefore center-focus-hand-holdable units would be/are my preference. Disclaimer: I admit I am no optical guru, nor observational master able to visually tell the difference between 1/8 & 1/9 wave of under or over correction of spherical error, and my observations and impressions of these binoculars are wholly subjective, and wholly my own, but hopefully someone finds my impressions, and first light, entertaining or maybe even helpful. Also I have no disclosed or undisclosed association with any of the vendors or manufacturers mentioned, other than being a satisfied customer of this/their product, and/or their service. 
Thanks for trudging through all this,
P.S.: I actually have several pictures but couldn't figure out how to add them to this post, and gave up after about an hour of trying(I'm not a computer guru either...LOL). I don't have a web-site, web-server, or web-page as noted in the CN FAQ(How to add an image...?). I guess I'm outta luck, huh?
-------------------- Joe,
C8 OTA on UA Unistar Heavy Deluxe
SV-102V on same UA Unistar Heavy Deluxe(not at the same time)
WO-Megrez 80-II ED on UA Microstar Basic
Orion 80ED on same UA Microstar Basic(also not at the same time)
Miyauchi Bs-60ic "Pleiades" 22X60
Orion UltraView 10X50's
Orion MiniGiants 12X63 & 15X63
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 10163
Loc: Lancashire UK
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Joe ,
Thank you for a very interesting read .
The addition of it to the CN mini -reviews section will be another feather in our cap , as it is a model so rarely reviewed and little known .
I have to agree that Individual eyepiece focussing is a pain in the - - - - for many types of terrestrial viewing , but not necessarily for ALL types , as I've quite recently discovered with my Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50 .
Why not give it a try on long distance landscapes or something , by day ?
I'd be interested to hear your impressions of that too .
Regards , Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Steve Napier
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Reged: 05/10/04
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Joe,I think your post is fantastic one of the VERY BEST Ive read on the binocular forum. As for not being an optical guru,I personaly think there is far TOO MUCH mathematics on the binocular forum and nowhere near as much quality info like you have posted EG,what the view is actually like through the eyepiece. Im delighted you are pleased with your new Miyauchis and Im willing to bet a considerable sum that the Moon will give you even more pleasure than the seven sisters.
Joe,there is something you should know about the binocular forum and,that something is called Kenny J. I see he is already trying to get you look at such interesting targets as daytime views of oil drums in fields,and the ever popular tv ariels etc. Joe,take no notice of this man,he is from a deranged part of the UK. In fact the above mentioned man is probably at this very moment trying desperately to find out the meaning of words such as Mars,Galaxy etc etc. You are going to have to make allowances Joe. Best wishes,thanks for the wonderful post and PLEASE let us know how they perform on the Moon. Thankyou Steve.
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Steve Napier
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Joe,Ive just visited the link you provided and thats a very competitive price,I bet a lot of people who are considering the Takahashi Astronomer 22x60 will give these glasses strong consideration. I think the added price of the finder is a bit steep though. Thanks Joe. Steve.
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Steve Napier
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A hint for Kenny J. Mars and Galaxy have nothing to do with confectionary products! Steve. North East of England.
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ngc6475
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Reged: 03/02/02
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According to the stats posted on Excelsis, the Tak 22x60 has a 2.1* fov and 18mm of er. This compares favorably with the Miyauchi Pleiades, even if the Miyauchis aren't fluorite apos and possess a bit shorter er. Personally, I prefer the wider fov of the Pleiades, and I always felt the Tak's biggest fault was its rather narrow fov, despite its otherwise excellent qualities. This leads me to ask, what does the Miyauchi Pleiades cost?
-------------------- Walter
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
-Mark Twain
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
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Loc: Lancashire UK
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< This compares favorably with the Miyauchi Pleiades, >
Walter , are you SURE about this ?
That would give the Miyauchi a less than 2 degree TFOV !
Confused ( as usual ) : -)
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
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Loc: Lancashire UK
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Steve ,
Thanks for the tips !
P.S -- whereabouts in the sky is the Kit Kat cluster then ?
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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btschumy
Think Astronomy
   
Reged: 04/13/04
Posts: 1111
Loc: Austin, TX, USA
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Quote:
Walter , are you SURE about this ?
That would give the Miyauchi a less than 2 degree TFOV !
What would give it a less than 2º FOV? The Miyauchi Pleiades are stated to have a 3º TFOV. Now I'm confused by your confusion.
-------------------- Bill Tschumy
Where is M13? Freeware -- Add a new dimension to your observing.
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ngc6475
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Reged: 03/02/02
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Quote:
< This compares favorably with the Miyauchi Pleiades, >
Walter , are you SURE about this ?
That would give the Miyauchi a less than 2 degree TFOV !
Confused ( as usual ) : -)
Kenny
Heck NO, I'm not sure about anything! The stats listed above mention the Miyauchi as having a 3* fov and, as usual, I was not paying attention! Sheesh... My error!
-------------------- Walter
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
-Mark Twain
Edited by ngc6475 (09/05/05 05:17 PM)
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ngc6475
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Quote:
Quote:
Walter , are you SURE about this ?
That would give the Miyauchi a less than 2 degree TFOV !
What would give it a less than 2º FOV? The Miyauchi Pleiades are stated to have a 3º TFOV. Now I'm confused by your confusion.
Bill, twenty-some-odd-years of marriage have taught me that being wrong isn't as nearly as bad as being right, a condition that happens to me so rarely that I don't recognize it when it happens! I believe anything Kenny says, and if he says the Miyauchi has a sub 2* fov, I believe him!
-------------------- Walter
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
-Mark Twain
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KennyJ
   
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Bill T.
I hope you realise now that , for once , I was correct :-)
To clear this up , I was NOT SAYING the Miyauchi had a SUB Takahashi - proportion TFOV , I was just highlighting the point that Walter had INDICATED it had by his obvious slip of the finger !
Unless , of course , Walter considers a narrower TFOV FAVOURABLE .
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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ngc6475
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You are, as always, correct, Kenny! I always say I don't need a spell checker, what I really need is an editor!
-------------------- Walter
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
-Mark Twain
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btschumy
Think Astronomy
   
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Quote:
Bill T.
I hope you realise now that , for once , I was correct :-)
Indeed you were Kenny. My mind totally skipped over the slip that yours clamped on to.
-------------------- Bill Tschumy
Where is M13? Freeware -- Add a new dimension to your observing.
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refractory
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Just a side note on Mars and Galaxy- it occurs to me that "galaxy", etymologically relatable as it is to the Greek for "milk", thus "Milky Way", and of course we know that that particular confection comes from M&M/Mars (where my sister-in-law used to work before she became a full time Mom), that there is also some odd connection to "Mars Bars"- and the recent announcement that the Milky Way is a barred galaxy. Given the overwhelming commonality of class M stars also the Milky Way is actually mostly M&M's- though I haven't had time to do stats on the various colors. Perhaps also the rarity of actual green stars thus correlates to some degree with similar paucity of green M&M's. I expect that my many years of work in Linguistics (not kidding, look me up on the WWW) will browbeat all of you into submission on these points. Of course as a final insult I expect SNICKERS.
Jess Tauber
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KennyJ
   
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Jess ,
Before SNICKERS became called that ( following a renaming by the manufacturer at a date I can't accurately recall , but was probably in the early to mid 1990s ) the same bar of chocolate was called MARATHON .
Named after the Messier , perhaps ? :-)
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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IDONTSEEIT
scholastic sledgehammer
   
Reged: 05/04/03
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Wow!, thanks for all the positive comments everyone. 
This is quite suprising to me, as my posts usually either seem to go ignored, or result in me getting into a keyboard-fight over semantics, probably because I don't express myself clearly enough in the written form, and/or drawing the admonishment of some of the more, IMHO, overzealous moderators. 
This is probably why my post count to length of membership ratio is as low as it is.
But then I haven't posted much here in the bino forum, and perhaps there's a better "class" of folks here?(just kidding of course) 
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Kenny J. wrote:...Why not give it a try on long distance landscapes or something , by day ?
Kenny,
Doing most of my day & night viewing from within the NYC city limits, there really aren't that many options for me to do any "long" distance, terrestrial, viewing. It's also easier to carry around a pair of "knap-sackable", hand-holdable, CF binos when "travelling" around the city, than dragging a 5lb(without fork)to 8lb(total weight w/fork) pair of binos, along with at least a photo-tripod, onto mass-transportation, or even when driving to a wooded location to go for a nature walk and such.
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Steve N. wrote:...I think the added price of the finder is a bit steep though...
Steve,
That's what I thought as well, and had I ended up buying these "new" from a dealer I probably would have opted to skip the finder. However, upon using it, even in my light-polluted skies, and even though it's only 3X magnification, and even though it only has 12mm of aperture, it was really very functional, and it has a unique cross-hair arrangement. The central FoV is a small circle, with the cross-hairs radiating from the 0º, 90º 180º, and 270º positions. It's also quite substantial in build, and acts as a carry/lift handle. I dunno if I really oughtta be lifting it that way, but the way it's designed and mounted it sorta invites you to do so. Also, if you opt against the finder, I believe a plain'ole handle is placed in the exact same position, so......
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Walter L. wrote:...This leads me to ask, what does the Miyauchi Pleiades cost?
Walter,
The retail price for these, at the only US dealer that I know of which carries them is; $500 without finder, and $600 with the finder. I don't see these for sale on the used market much, in fact I only recall seeing a total of two pairs on A-mart over the past 2 or 3 years, and I bought them both. 
The second pair doesn't have a fork mount, as it's quite tricky and time consuming removing, then reinstalling, it. They also came with a hard-sided "travel"-case(they do not come with a case from the mfgr) which will not accomodate the fork-mounted pair. I use, or intend to use, them for long trips(read vacations, and trips to the in-laws), as they can be mounted on a standard photo-tripod with a built-in tripod mounting base. I payed less for both of these, total, than a single new pair of the Takahashis', which I wouldn't mind trying/having a pair of either. Also, I find the 45º ep position of the Miyauchis' is much more conducive, to a more comfortable, sky-viewing experience, than a standard straight-through bino. This is just MHO, for my own use and tastes.
Thanks again sincerely for all the kind words,
 Can anyone tell me how I could post some pics of these doggies here?
-------------------- Joe,
C8 OTA on UA Unistar Heavy Deluxe
SV-102V on same UA Unistar Heavy Deluxe(not at the same time)
WO-Megrez 80-II ED on UA Microstar Basic
Orion 80ED on same UA Microstar Basic(also not at the same time)
Miyauchi Bs-60ic "Pleiades" 22X60
Orion UltraView 10X50's
Orion MiniGiants 12X63 & 15X63
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IDONTSEEIT
scholastic sledgehammer
   
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BTW Steve,
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...Joe,there is something you should know about the binocular forum and,that something is called Kenny J. I see he is already trying to get you look at such interesting targets as daytime views of oil drums in fields,and the ever popular tv ariels etc. Joe,take no notice of this man,he is from a deranged part of the UK. In fact the above mentioned man is probably at this very moment trying desperately to find out the meaning of words such as Mars,Galaxy etc etc. ...
I'm a frequent "reader" of the forums, in fact I read them almost every day, so I'm quite familiar with Kenny J. I do enjoy most of what he has to say/write, and I usually "get" the facetious/dry/seemingly sarcastic humor in some of his posts, while others get quite offended. Actually, when he is moved to wax-poetic about topics in the realm of the philosophical/theological/political aspects of life, I usually agree with him, although most other folks with a generational gap, as the one obviously between me and Kenny, him being on the distant(older) end, usually don't agree on anything. 
As for looking at distatant oil drums/rigs at sea, or at some enthralling TV "ariels", hey...to each his own, I have no problem admitting, even as a shackled....ehhh....married man, that I much prefer looking at other more "lively", "multi-limbed", distant, or even relatively close-by , objects of the female variety specifically, rather than at those other things. The queen of the castle usually just asks "what/who are ya ogling/peeping on now, perv?" which usually draws a response from me like;....uhhhh, nothing dear, I thought I saw a blue-headed cardinal, and they're not supposed to be able to survive this far north, I'm just making sure I'm not mistaken. Then I go back to my "bird" watching.
-------------------- Joe,
C8 OTA on UA Unistar Heavy Deluxe
SV-102V on same UA Unistar Heavy Deluxe(not at the same time)
WO-Megrez 80-II ED on UA Microstar Basic
Orion 80ED on same UA Microstar Basic(also not at the same time)
Miyauchi Bs-60ic "Pleiades" 22X60
Orion UltraView 10X50's
Orion MiniGiants 12X63 & 15X63
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btschumy
Think Astronomy
   
Reged: 04/13/04
Posts: 1111
Loc: Austin, TX, USA
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Can anyone tell me how I could post some pics of these doggies here?
There are a couple of ways, depending on how you reply. 1. Using Reply, Quote, etc. When you make your post (or edit a recent post), make sure the checkbox above the Continue button is checked (it says "I want to preview my post and/or attach a file"). Then when previewing your post, there is a button below your preview that says "Choose File". Click that for attaching a picture.
2. Using Quick Reply Just make sure to click the Preview Reply rather than Continue and in the Preview pane you attach a picture just like in #1.
Although the message for attaching a picture says you can attach something up to 1,000,000 bytes, I think EdZ says it should really be < 40,000.
-------------------- Bill Tschumy
Where is M13? Freeware -- Add a new dimension to your observing.
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Steve Napier
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Joe,regarding Kenny,I too regard him as a "Cuddly Uncle" type figure. Have you asked him about the Welsh sheep? He can often be seen chasing them in fields dressed in his yellow and white shell suit,its a pityful sight. Steve.
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