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Tandum
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
EQ8's Land in Oz
      #5903281 - 06/05/13 06:40 AM

My EQ8 is in Sydney and I expect delivery before the end of the week. There has been an issue with delivery as total weight is 127Kgs and carriers want it on a pallet which has pushed up delivery costs.

Stay tuned


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lafo0100
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Loc: Ottawa, Ontario
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5904678 - 06/05/13 08:44 PM

Your lucky Tandum! Let us know how it is.

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rob288
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Loc: South Canterbury, New Zealand
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5905283 - 06/06/13 05:42 AM

Two weeks and they arrive in New Zealand

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Frank @ Van
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: rob288]
      #5905954 - 06/06/13 01:03 PM

They will arrive in Canada in the middle of June, too.

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Tandum
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Frank @ Van]
      #5906486 - 06/06/13 05:40 PM

Dave lives close to Sydney, he has his and it's big:
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=108249



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Tandum
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5910459 - 06/08/13 09:32 PM

One was publicly unboxed here in Brisbane yesterday. One of the guys wrote up a blog on the experience.

I was surprised to see the head was in one piece and in one big black travel case. It's so big, the guy in Sydney can't fit it in his car.


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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5911250 - 06/09/13 12:36 PM

Thanks for the update Tandum. What was thought on the "polar assist" system? I'm trying to figure out if its worth buying.

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tjugo
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5911783 - 06/09/13 06:32 PM

Wow! The PE looks impressive!

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Tandum
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5911875 - 06/09/13 07:38 PM

Quote:

Thanks for the update Tandum. What was thought on the "polar assist" system? I'm trying to figure out if its worth buying.



You mean the polar scope? It looks odd and has to come off to get the head into the case so it would have to be aligned with RA every time. There is a manual on line and it looks like you align it like a finder scope.

Also if you loosen the tripod clamp bolts the center can drop down and bang into the knob that turns the center bolt to the head. The manual says to put 2 counter weights under the center piece so as not to drop it on someones foot


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5916295 - 06/12/13 03:12 AM Attachment (117 downloads)

Here at last and eqmod works via the handset and pc-direct.

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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5916679 - 06/12/13 10:42 AM

Very nice! any thoughts, impressions, comments and concerns?

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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5917503 - 06/12/13 06:38 PM

If you don't put a a pair of counterweights or something under the pier when you loosen the clamp bolts, the pier can drop and the clamp can bang into the knob for tightening the head to the pier and bend it. It's happened to some one already, it needs a stop.

And I don't think I can get the tripod into my Golf on my own the way it is. It has to be about 35Kgs (75pound) and has no hand holds on it at all. Once I get the head into the dome I'll try and figure out how to resolve that one.

It was supplied with a polar scope.


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Mike X.
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5917508 - 06/12/13 06:40 PM

Beautyful mount congrats!!

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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5917648 - 06/12/13 08:18 PM

35 kilo tripod....I thought my CGEM DX tripod was heavy. Thank god for being 29 and no back issues!

As for the getting this thing in your golf, the metal case doesn't have a retractable hitch hidden somewhere?!

Congrats on being one of the first to get the EQ8 to run with EQMOD! Should be cloudy for the next month now... Enjoy first light. Provide feedback.

Edited by lafo0100 (06/12/13 08:22 PM)


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Tandum
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5917823 - 06/12/13 09:59 PM Attachment (108 downloads)

It' stopped raining this morning so I got the head into the dome. They are saying it should clear for the week-end so I can dial it in and get some numbers from it.

In the mean time, other projects have parts waiting to be installed


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5918583 - 06/13/13 11:42 AM Attachment (105 downloads)

Pempro Run. +/- 2.2

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Stew57
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5918787 - 06/13/13 01:24 PM

Is this native PE?

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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Stew57]
      #5919252 - 06/13/13 06:04 PM

wow pretty impressive. can't wait to see how it will perform with a good autoguider!

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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5919311 - 06/13/13 06:39 PM

Native PE? PEC is off if that's what you mean.

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Stew57
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5919578 - 06/13/13 09:18 PM

Yes thanks. I did see PEC off in the above pic. Thought maybe PEC on the mount itself was on. I have not used PEMPro yet. Quite impressive PE. You should enjoy that mount!

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Jesus Munoz
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Stew57]
      #5919652 - 06/13/13 10:11 PM

Great mount and amazing PE numbers!

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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Stew57]
      #5919671 - 06/13/13 10:21 PM

Quote:

Yes thanks. I did see PEC off in the above pic. Thought maybe PEC on the mount itself was on. I have not used PEMPro yet. Quite impressive PE. You should enjoy that mount!



Ahh ok, no the mount is brand new, nothing in the handset plus it was on pc-direct to get eqmod to run. I have only just put it in the dome and polar aligned. PemPro can take that data and plug it into eqmod for pec correction, but I haven't got that far yet

[edit]
Turned on correction in eqmod tonight and it's now showing 2.18 peak to peak in corrected mode.

Edited by Tandum (06/14/13 08:43 AM)


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groz
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5920922 - 06/14/13 04:58 PM

if this mount has that kind of PE consistently across the production, then IMHO, this is a complete game changer.

Wife and I bought new telescopes last fall, for our 'his and hers' kit ultimately headed into an observatory we hope to build over the next year. We just moved to an area with skies much darker than we had before, and are now shopping for a new home just outside of town, which will put us in a blue area on the LP map. We have a 12 inch RC and a TOA-130 destined to go in the observatory. With that kind of performance from a mount listed on the skywatcher site as MAP $3,799, I will buy two of them for the observatory.


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WesC
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: groz]
      #5920976 - 06/14/13 05:29 PM

Wow, that is pretty impressive!

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groz
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: WesC]
      #5920991 - 06/14/13 05:44 PM

Thinking about this a bit more. The mount has permanent pec, and you got one of the first ones. I cant help but wonder, if that one has already been set up for testing, and had pec trained into it before you got it ?

If so, that would explain the great results you have. If not, and that is truely uncorrected data, then I'm awfully glad I'm not in the mount manufacturing business today. I've been thinking the EQ8 will be a great value proposition if it's PE is on par with that of the EQ6. With PE on par with the much higher end stuff, and load capacity north of a hundred pounds (50kg = 110 pounds) then it just became 'the bar' in terms of mount value proposition, and it's a bar that's going to be very hard to beat.


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: groz]
      #5921057 - 06/14/13 06:41 PM

Not sure how they would do that when I have the handset in pc-direct mode. In that mode the handset does nothing but repeat what is coming from the aux serial port.
Or I'm driving pempro wrong? But all you need is teeth on the gear and image scale and I know them.

Also when I added a curve to eqmod's pec routine, it halved the pe I previously measured.
Didn't look right to me in the first instance for a skywatcher mount, but I can't see a problem with how I'm measuring it.


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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5921314 - 06/14/13 09:41 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that low of a pe rating is on par with the ap's and sb's of this world right?

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Stew57
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5921372 - 06/14/13 10:19 PM

If this is representative of the standard quality this mount achieves it will put a big dent in a lot of other mount sales.

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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Stew57]
      #5921498 - 06/14/13 11:50 PM

It may. The issue right now is skywatcher has none exept what was shipped to Australia and New Zealand. The timeline for my delivery is now end of August in eastern Canada. Looks like a great product but terrible role out on skywatchers part.

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gavinm
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Reged: 08/26/05

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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5921582 - 06/15/13 01:18 AM

Another minor issue (and which is stopping me buy one tomorrow) is that you can't buy it without the tripod...

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Jesus Munoz
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: gavinm]
      #5921592 - 06/15/13 01:37 AM

Quote:

Another minor issue (and which is stopping me buy one tomorrow) is that you can't buy it without the tripod...




I agree, but Celestron CGE Pro without tripod still is more expensive than EQ8 with tripod ($4499). Anyway, I'm planning to place an order.


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Neil27
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Jesus Munoz]
      #5921738 - 06/15/13 05:51 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Another minor issue (and which is stopping me buy one tomorrow) is that you can't buy it without the tripod...




I agree, but Celestron CGE Pro without tripod still is more expensive than EQ8 with tripod ($4499). Anyway, I'm planning to place an order.




Hi Gavin,

Yes you can in the UK, with tripod or without tripod, I'm happy!..


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lafo0100
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Neil27]
      #5922348 - 06/15/13 02:01 PM

Neil27, Just out of curiosity....whats the price difference between the two?

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rob288
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5922677 - 06/15/13 06:39 PM

In all fairness, Australia and New Zealand are often the last areas to receive new gear when its rolled out, this time the fortunes have been reversed. From what I have been told there was fifty or so went to Australia, there is only a handful coming to NZ, I am sure the initial run would have been more than that, so somewhere on the planet there is a container with a lot more due to land.

Edited by rob288 (06/15/13 06:41 PM)


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gavinm
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: rob288]
      #5923166 - 06/16/13 02:23 AM

Don't get me wrong. We're really lucky and the price looks really good (although the exchange rate keeps doing silly things..)

I just wish Skywatcher would sell the head by itself in NZ or Aus - I'm sure they will pretty soon, but I'd love to be an early adopter for once, take a risk with new technology etc etc etc.. patience I guess

Good luck to the rest of you who purchase one - can't wait for results...

Edited by gavinm (06/16/13 05:40 AM)


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Neil27
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5923218 - 06/16/13 04:25 AM

Quote:

Neil27, Just out of curiosity....whats the price difference between the two?




£2595 for the mount only and £3390 for mount and tripod, so quite a substantial difference if you wish to mount in an observatory only - which i do...
ETA for the UK we are being told is September / October, probably the latter knowing roll out of previous skywatcher products.


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Tandum
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Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Neil27]
      #5925260 - 06/17/13 11:12 AM

I had a look at pointing with out a model. I used to own a tak mount and it could go from a SE sync to a NW star and put it bang center. It would take 10 minutes to get there but it could do it every time.

My eq6 would sometimes get lost after a flip, it was hopeless.

This one came close. The star was outside the cameras FOV, and an 11000 sensor has a huge FOV, but a pinpoint and sync showed it was really close. It solved instantly and I was on target straight away, no model.

Next I'll add a sky model and see what we get.

All up it's looking good.


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5925266 - 06/17/13 11:16 AM

Power is an issue however. I normally run everything off 12v coming from the PC. I added a socket to get 12v out. I had to put the eq8 on it's own power source or I had issues.

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groz
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5925629 - 06/17/13 02:08 PM

Quote:

I had a look at pointing with out a model. I used to own a tak mount and it could go from a SE sync to a NW star and put it bang center. It would take 10 minutes to get there but it could do it every time.

My eq6 would sometimes get lost after a flip, it was hopeless.

This one came close. The star was outside the cameras FOV, and an 11000 sensor has a huge FOV, but a pinpoint and sync showed it was really close. It solved instantly and I was on target straight away, no model.





Is this done using eqmod, or the supplied controller ?

If you are comparing using eqmod, it's not really a valid comparison of 'what was supplied'. I'm actually quite interested in how well it runs 'out of the box', ie, do a 3 star align, then wander around the sky seeing how close the goto accuracy is, using the supplied electronics.


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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5926115 - 06/17/13 06:41 PM Attachment (44 downloads)

Great reporting so far, thanks for sharing the info on your mount. I have been wondering how the EQ-8 compares to the EQ-6 size-wise. I currently have an EQ-6 Pro/Atlas in my observatory and am interested in upgrading to the EQ-8 when it becomes available over here in North America. Specifically, I am wondering how much taller the EQ-8 is from base to highest point in park compared to the EQ-6? Just kind of curious to see how much I would have to modify my current pier and rat cage. Thanks again!

Clear Skies,
Brian


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: groz]
      #5926131 - 06/17/13 06:47 PM

Quote:


Is this done using eqmod, or the supplied controller ?

If you are comparing using eqmod, it's not really a valid comparison of 'what was supplied'. I'm actually quite interested in how well it runs 'out of the box', ie, do a 3 star align, then wander around the sky seeing how close the goto accuracy is, using the supplied electronics.



Yes eqmod. Mine is in a dome so it must have ascom on it so the dome tracks it. I'll leave using the handset to someone else.


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: BKBrown]
      #5926144 - 06/17/13 06:57 PM

Quote:

Great reporting so far, thanks for sharing the info on your mount. I have been wondering how the EQ-8 compares to the EQ-6 size-wise. I currently have an EQ-6 Pro/Atlas in my observatory and am interested in upgrading to the EQ-8 when it becomes available over here in North America. Specifically, I am wondering how much taller the EQ-8 is from base to highest point in park compared to the EQ-6? Just kind of curious to see how much I would have to modify my current pier and rat cage. Thanks again!

Clear Skies,
Brian



It's shorter than the eq6. That riser from pier to RA axis is quite short. I think I took 30mm off the up/down numbers in poth for dome maths. My pier was setup for an eq6/em-200 (they are the same), I just had to move the pin to the other side, 54mm from center and tap two locking bolt holes 80mm east and west from the 12mm center bolt. There are drawings in the manual and there was a manual on line.

http://www.firstlightoptics.com/user/slywatcher_eq8_manual.pdf


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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5926148 - 06/17/13 06:59 PM

Much obliged, thanks for the feedback.

Clear Skies,
Brian


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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: BKBrown]
      #5930710 - 06/20/13 07:37 AM

And I got eqmod working without the handset. This mount and the alt/az eq6 control boards use 3.3v signalling but they can handle 5v signalling from the handset. So your eqdir device must be able to hear 3.3v signals to work. It seems the shoestring one and the hitech astro devices work just fine .... Bye bye handset, you bloody boat anchor



Quote from skywatcher:
Quote:


The motor controller on the AZ-EQ6 and the EQ8 are using 3.3V logic, and in the future, all our new motor controller will use 3.3V logic, too. But we have made sure that the communication interface is +5V tolerant and the new motor controllers will be compatible with the old SynScan hand control. The EQMOD user should make sure that their adapter can receive 3.3V serial input signal reliably.




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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5931770 - 06/20/13 05:58 PM

Tandum, good to hear eqmod is working without the handset. How are you finding the mount so far? Any images produced yet? I'd like to know if all the hype over this mount from the last few years was worth it!

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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5932293 - 06/20/13 11:29 PM

We only had 2 clear nights and now the rain is back for another week

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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5934180 - 06/22/13 07:51 AM Attachment (91 downloads)

It cleared tonight. Here's maxim capturing and pulse guiding through eqmod. I'm using a QHY5L II on an OAG through a 12" newt so FL is about 1.2meters and image scale on the guider is .67 arcsec/pixel. Imaging camera is 1.61 arcsec/pixel. The blue chart is DEC.

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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5934369 - 06/22/13 10:47 AM

Bravo on an amazing shot! Great detail. The peak errors looks amazing too. I think this field use has answered alot of performance questions.

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Tandum
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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5934471 - 06/22/13 11:44 AM

I spent most of the night trying to find that black frost mark in the middle of the image. It appears to be inside the 3" asa corrector Winter is here.

Also, if you press the dec lock lever too far while the scope is pointing west, it will hit the motor/worm box when you slew east. This is a design fault. (I guess that would be reversed in the Nth half of the planet).

I also see a little slop in DEC on this mount. I'm waiting for comments from others before trying to fix it.


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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Tandum]
      #5938093 - 06/24/13 02:07 PM

I'm sorry if this was already mentioned, but is the mount/tripod interface any different than the EQ6? I have an EQ6 on a concrete pier with Dan's Piertop plate and I'm wondering if I'll need a new plate for the EQ8. Thanks!

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Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Coastal]
      #5938863 - 06/24/13 10:55 PM

It looks significantly different in the diagrams and images I have seen. I am in exactly the same position as you and contacted Dan to discuss the issue. He is willing to work with EQ-8 owners to develop a new adapter plate if necessary (and I think it will be), with the customers providing pictures, traces, measurements or whatever. Seemed like a good approach to me. Since you guys in Canada are getting these before we see any kind of release from Orion (if there is one!) you might want to drop the man a line.

Clear Skies,
Brian


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Loc: Vancouver island, Canada
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: BKBrown]
      #5938882 - 06/24/13 11:09 PM

On an Australian forum (despite having a relatively small population they have fantastic online communities for almost every subject) it was noted that a larger centre bolt was needed to secure the mount. That is, it -may- be possible to drill a larger hole in the EQ6 plate and together with a different bolt attach it to an EQ8 mount. My local (well Vancouver) SW dealer has sold a few EQ8s already and I think I might put an order in. I just wish there were a few more reports. If/when I receive it I definitely plan on sharing the details with Dan.

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Reged: 03/01/10

Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Re: EQ8's Land in Oz new [Re: Coastal]
      #5939174 - 06/25/13 05:43 AM

The bottom of the head is flat, the central bolt is the same as the eq6, standard M12 bolt. The pin is on the opposite side to the eq6 and 54mm from the center. There are two 8mm locating/lock down bolts 80mm from the center to the east and west.

I modified my eq6 pier myself without issue.

Drawings of the top of the tripod are in this manual :-
http://www.firstlightoptics.com/user/slywatcher_eq8_manual.pdf


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