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rmollise
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5916532 - 06/12/13 08:58 AM

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I'm an optimist... won't have to wait long to find out how it's going to play out.




Even in a complete Meade meltdown, "Meade" wouldn't go away. Someone, whether the current prospective buyer or somebody else, would buy the assets--the name, the designs, etc. And it really wouldn't make much difference to us. The Meade of today, afterall, doesn't have much to do with the Meade of 10 years ago or 20 years ago.


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Stew57
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: rmollise]
      #5916544 - 06/12/13 09:07 AM

One can only hope so Unk. Problem I would not want to be left holding a brand new orphaned product. Of course the big 3 often "orphan" you as soon as the product exceeds it's warranty period anyway so it may not be any different. If the new management of Meade's properties fixes this problem it will be a huge boon to the consumer.

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rmollise
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Stew57]
      #5916639 - 06/12/13 10:10 AM

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One can only hope so Unk. Problem I would not want to be left holding a brand new orphaned product. Of course the big 3 often "orphan" you as soon as the product exceeds it's warranty period anyway so it may not be any different. If the new management of Meade's properties fixes this problem it will be a huge boon to the consumer.




Well, sure, I would be wary about buying a product that would be orphaned...but I really don't think there's too much danger of that.


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Spacetravelerx
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: rmollise]
      #5917326 - 06/12/13 04:44 PM

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Quote:

One can only hope so Unk. Problem I would not want to be left holding a brand new orphaned product. Of course the big 3 often "orphan" you as soon as the product exceeds it's warranty period anyway so it may not be any different. If the new management of Meade's properties fixes this problem it will be a huge boon to the consumer.




Well, sure, I would be wary about buying a product that would be orphaned...but I really don't think there's too much danger of that.




I totally agree there is not much of a danger being orphaned. However the fear of being orphaned and talk of it does hurt sales and can magnify problems. I have been very pleased with my Meade purchases, including the LX850, the UWA ep and PST recently. I would hate to see this negative chatter poorly impact Meade, their staff and and future products.

To help them bridge this gap I for one have decided to purchase a couple more products once I arrive at my destination - a couple of UWA Ep and a Meade Series 6000 APO - as a show of support.

I am very confident in Meade products and the support I have received. If folks can overcome their fears and go ahead and make their purchase Meade will be able to move forward smoothly in this process.


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MikeBOKC
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Spacetravelerx]
      #5917464 - 06/12/13 06:05 PM

I have been planning the purchase of a dual purpose EQ/AZ mount for outreach use with two scopes side by side. Have looked at the Skyeatcher, Orion Atlas and iOptron entries, all of which are close to twice the cost of the LX80. I have pretty well decided to wait for the Meade merger to proceed and track what they do to make the LX80 work . . . in 8 months or so we should know, and if by then it is clear that the new owners are serious about fixing the glitches in this most appealing mount -- even if they raise the price a bit -- it would be my first choice. So we shall see.

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blueman
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed [Re: Spacetravelerx]
      #5917488 - 06/12/13 06:27 PM

Really, does the RCX-400 ring a bell?
Blueman


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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5978499 - 07/18/13 06:41 PM

Last night, I received an email from Russ Tanton with Explore Scientific. Looks like there is still some hope for ES to be in the running for a Meade takeover. Looks to me that this is the best bet for us to get issues with the LX80 resolved.

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It is not certain that we are out of the picture as the current deal still must pass muster via the FTC regarding antitrust laws. I have a good deal of information but most is confidential. One public piece that can be shared is that the CEO of Synta sat on the board of directors for Ningbo Sunny until Jan 2013. It is obvious that Sunny and Synta are tied closely…the FTC twice blocked a Meade and Celestron (now owned by Synta) merger fearing an anti competitive SCT market…just hope they are as diligent now as then.

I will keep in touch. If we do not get Meade, we will be manufacturing our own line of scopes and mounts.




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JimMo
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5979491 - 07/19/13 09:57 AM

Thanks for the update, Mike, though I'm not holding my breath. Meade and who ever buys the company will have to bend over backwards to ever get me to consider another Meade product. I think my LX80 will eventually make a good boat anchor if it isn't "addressed" by the "new" Meade.

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blueman
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5979736 - 07/19/13 12:16 PM

I think everyone will have to wait to see if Meade sells or files bankruptcy.

Either way, it is not certain what will happen with the products already sold.

One thing that many keep forgetting is that once out of warranty, it is no longer their responsibility. So if you do not get your warranty extended in writing, well I think you will be out of luck.
Blueman


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DuiA1
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5980211 - 07/19/13 05:18 PM

Good point on the extended warranty. Did anyone receive a written extension for the time the mount was in Meades hands? Mine was there for at least 4 months. Mike, should we address this with your ES contact?

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brokenwave
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: DuiA1]
      #5980270 - 07/19/13 05:58 PM

LX80 warranty: If you paid with a credit card many have a product protection plan the will usually double the warranty from 1-2 years.
Meade buyout and LX80.
I was at the OPT SCAE event last weekend and spoke with Meade reps about the LX80 issues.
Both said that until the buy-out is completed (50-60% chance as of now). The soonest will be Sept 2013. That is when a decision about the LX80 will be made,
ES/Joya or other buyer will have to be open to spending $$ to possibly fix a dead mount or come up with some type of credit for the current un-happy owners, again it's up to the new owners.
OPT said they are still selling a decent amount of LX80's.

Spoke with Scotty Roberts of ES and he said that the Meade buy-out is slowly moving along and he seemed optimistic it will happen.
Also he said that ES has some new products coming out over the next 6 months, 8" astrograph, some Dob's, 3" field flattner and a GOTO/GEM 40-50lb capacity mount.
Their 3" EP and diagonal are really huge. But really nice quality.


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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: brokenwave]
      #5980293 - 07/19/13 06:11 PM

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ES/Joya or other buyer will have to be open to spending $$ to possibly fix a dead mount or come up with some type of credit for the current un-happy owners, again it's up to the new owners.




It was certainly not something that ES could be held to but from the few talks I've had with Russ, if they do buy Meade, they are very interested in getting the LX80 issues resolved.

If OPT is selling a "decent number" of LX80s, other dealers must be doing the same. There must be a lot more happy users out there than unhappy ones. I'm happy with it for what I've used it for so are but now that I'm trying some AP I'm a bit less pleased.

Mike


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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: DuiA1]
      #5980602 - 07/19/13 10:35 PM

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Good point on the extended warranty. Did anyone receive a written extension for the time the mount was in Meades hands? Mine was there for at least 4 months. Mike, should we address this with your ES contact?




Dui,

I don't think we can address any of the issues until the dust settles. Shouldn't be too long now. Hopefully ES will come out on top... if not, I'm not sure where that puts us. Russ Tanton has been very approachable and seems to be interested in correcting issues with the mount.

I've only lost a month of use due to repairs... 4 months would be a much bigger deal! If ES prevails, I think having the warranty period extended to 18 months should be one of the things we ask for. Except for good (or bad) will, we don't really have any leverage.

Mike


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blueman
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5980731 - 07/20/13 12:14 AM

JOC is no longer in the picture.

Sunny Optics Inc., part of Ningbo Sunny Electronic Co. in Zhejiang, China. is the new purchaser.

http://www.ocbj.com/news/2013/jul/16/meade-agrees-sale-55m/

Blueman


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brokenwave
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5980767 - 07/20/13 12:56 AM

Amazing how quick things change, hopefully they close this deal that keeps Meade an ongoing profitable company. Bring out some exciting new products and lastly do something on the LX80 front.

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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5980769 - 07/20/13 12:57 AM

A Sunny takeover still has to be approved by the FTC. As of the 17th Russ Tanton, from ES, told me that ES/JOC was not completely out. I don't think we'll know for sure what is happening until it happens.

Edited by Mkofski (07/20/13 01:18 AM)


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brokenwave
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5980775 - 07/20/13 01:01 AM

Amazing how quick things change, hopefully they close this deal which keeps Meade an on going profitable company. Bring out some exciting new products
and lastly do something on the LX80 front.
Since the new suiter loaned Meade the $250,000 termination fee Meade had to pay to JOC this deal has an excellent chance of closing.


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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5980776 - 07/20/13 01:02 AM Attachment (7 downloads)

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"Mike, The LX80 does not autoguide in Polar mode, at least mine doesn't."

This still intrigues me, as i can get the firmware to work with the old and new APM909 lumps, as well as serial controls, and it does respect the commands.
( I am using LX90 motor cards on a test bench tho. )
That said, if you are not polar one star ( or have PEC ON ), DEC guiding in Polar can be "woofy" with A3S4 firmware
as it behaves rather oddly now.

Andrew Johansen Melbourne Australia




Andrew,

I just started playing around with some 30 second unguided exposures. I'll get back to testing soon.

Mike

Edited by Mkofski (07/20/13 01:03 AM)


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blueman
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5980822 - 07/20/13 02:33 AM

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A Sunny takeover still has to be approved by the FTC. As of the 17th Russ Tanton, from ES, told me that ES/JOC was not completely out. I don't think we'll know for sure what is happening until it happens.



As Brokenwave said, the $250,000 termination fee has been loaned to Meade to break the deal with JOC, I think that is pretty much telling the tale.
Blueman


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