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edwincjones
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5926931 - 06/18/13 07:36 AM

No-after some reconsideration of the above post
I would take my Miyauchi 5x32 Binon for its 13 degree FOV as expended naked eye
and something like TV76 or Tak78 with tripod

edj


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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5927081 - 06/18/13 09:25 AM

I would like to hear from Kowa Highlander owners an opinion about the use of the 21mm eyepieces from Kowa that yield 21X magnification. We have had many posts about using the 50X eyepieces and hoping for more magnification than that. What about eyepieces that give the widest field this binocular is capable of?

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Ryuno
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5927101 - 06/18/13 09:37 AM

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My two cents....a LOT of money for 82mm aperture.




I have thought a litte about Mr.Bill's input.
It is true, the Highlander costs a lot of money. And it is true, in term of a linear cost-benefit calculation, these binoculars are way too expensive. But don't we have this situation everywhere? Take for instance Hifi-equipment. The first 80% of the quality scale can be had for 20% of the maximum price level. But to get the last 20% of quality, I'd have to pay the remaining 80%. The question is: Am I willing to do that? The decision for or against it has little to do with clean reasoning, but a lot with enthusiasm, perfectionism and even a bit of craziness.
I know, I am not acting reasonably buying a thing like the Highlander plus an expensive tripod, a video head and extra eyepieces.
But who wants to be reasonable all the time? Humans aren't reasonable. And isn't it often this kind of "madness" that contributes to excitement in life?
My "two cents".

Heinz

Edited by Ryuno (06/18/13 09:55 AM)


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Andresin150
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: kcolter]
      #5927112 - 06/18/13 09:43 AM

I would take my new (have not arrived yet...) 8 deg swarovision 8x32...
But I would certainly miss bigger optics... I do agree that considering acceptable portability and excellent optics, the Higlanders and the Docters are in the top of the list..


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Mr. Bill
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: kcolter]
      #5927411 - 06/18/13 12:18 PM

Quote:

I would like to hear from Kowa Highlander owners an opinion about the use of the 21mm eyepieces from Kowa that yield 21X magnification. We have had many posts about using the 50X eyepieces and hoping for more magnification than that. What about eyepieces that give the widest field this binocular is capable of?




Kim

Can you do the effective aperture test to see if you're getting the full 82mm that you paid for? My BT100s are actually 92mm due to a vignetting baffle. (but they didn't cost $3500)

I've been burned on BT optics in the past in that regard.

Big Binocular's BT70 45s tested out at 60mm...I sent them back. I was hoping they would work for the trip.

Also a photo of the "catseye" looking at the extreme edge of the lightcone from the objective end would reveal a lot about the light dropoff (edge of field illumination) from on axis.

If you need more info on what I'm talking about, please PM me. This information is necessary for me to decide on buying. I would also want the 21x ep option. 4mm exit pupil is minimum for my needs in observing MW structure.

Thanks


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Mr. Bill
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Ryuno]
      #5927414 - 06/18/13 12:20 PM

Quote:

Quote:

My two cents....a LOT of money for 82mm aperture.




I have thought a litte about Mr.Bill's input.
It is true, the Highlander costs a lot of money. And it is true, in term of a linear cost-benefit calculation, these binoculars are way too expensive. But don't we have this situation everywhere? Take for instance Hifi-equipment. The first 80% of the quality scale can be had for 20% of the maximum price level. But to get the last 20% of quality, I'd have to pay the remaining 80%. The question is: Am I willing to do that? The decision for or against it has little to do with clean reasoning, but a lot with enthusiasm, perfectionism and even a bit of craziness.
I know, I am not acting reasonably buying a thing like the Highlander plus an expensive tripod, a video head and extra eyepieces.
But who wants to be reasonable all the time? Humans aren't reasonable. And isn't it often this kind of "madness" that contributes to excitement in life?
My "two cents".

Heinz




Humans aren't reasonable? You obviously don't know me.



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Tamiji Homma
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5927465 - 06/18/13 12:44 PM

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Can you do the effective aperture test to see if you're getting the full 82mm that you paid for?




Hi Bill,

Here you go. They are from old thread (APM 100ED v.s. Kowa Highlander):

Kowa Highlander Clear Aperture Test

Edge illumination test with 9mm eyepiece

Tammy


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Mr. Bill
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #5927476 - 06/18/13 12:49 PM

Thanks Tammy, that's just what I'm looking for.



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kcolter
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5927614 - 06/18/13 02:05 PM

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Thanks Tammy, that's just what I'm looking for.

and done way better than I would have been able to portray it

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Ryuno
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5927954 - 06/18/13 05:17 PM

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Humans aren't reasonable? You obviously don't know me.




The reason for being reasonable is often unreasonable. (Or always?)

Quote:

I'd like to see some objective data like effective aperture and edge of field illumination measurements. These are on my short list for Australian trip.




I agree. Even unreasonable decisions shouldn't be based on fantasy.


Edited by Ryuno (06/18/13 05:33 PM)


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Mr. Bill
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Ryuno]
      #5928010 - 06/18/13 05:55 PM

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The reason for being reasonable is often unreasonable. (Or always?)






Can't argue with that...don't even know what it means.



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edwincjones
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5928151 - 06/18/13 07:35 PM

Bill,

you may be over thinking this
just take what you already have,
and used the saved money to stay longer

edj

reasonable or unreasonable thinking--


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Andresin150
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5928185 - 06/18/13 08:01 PM

Or buy the highlanders, stay longer, have a great astro trip, and sell them again a at small loss when you get back... Like renting them, just that there is not anyone renting those....
You'll probably like them so much that you may keep them, and if necessary end selling something else that doesnt get much use...


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Mr. Bill
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5928218 - 06/18/13 08:25 PM

My Fuji 16x70s are looking better and better....



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MB_PL
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Ryuno]
      #5928650 - 06/19/13 03:20 AM

Hi Heinz,

Have you considered a teleoptic giro mount?
Light weight, very robust, with a very high load capacity.
The two arm versions would allow you to mount the Sky90 and the Kowa Highlander or the Coronado 90 and Kowa Highlander simultanoeusly. Might be an interesting solution.

I strongly believe that you could use the Kowa on the Giro III or the Eracole without any counterweights. Alternatively, you could hang a rock in a bag on the other arm for ultra smooth panning - not a very elegant solution, but it would significantly decrease the load you would have to carry in your back-pack.

I have a Giro II mount. If you're interested in my impressions, drop me a PM.

Regards,
Maciej

Edited by MB_PL (06/19/13 03:22 AM)


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plyscope
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5928736 - 06/19/13 07:15 AM

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My Fuji 16x70s are looking better and better....






How about a mini bino box? 80mm Apo triplet or 70mm ED doublet.

web page TS optics

Achromat 80mm lenses here;

web page Hands On/Antares

Edited by plyscope (06/19/13 07:22 AM)


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Ryuno
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: MB_PL]
      #5928946 - 06/19/13 10:29 AM

Quote:


Have you considered a teleoptic giro mount?
Light weight, very robust, with a very high load capacity.
The two arm versions would allow you to mount the Sky90 and the Kowa Highlander or the Coronado 90 and Kowa Highlander simultanoeusly. Might be an interesting solution.

I strongly believe that you could use the Kowa on the Giro III or the Eracole without any counterweights. Alternatively, you could hang a rock in a bag on the other arm for ultra smooth panning - not a very elegant solution, but it would significantly decrease the load you would have to carry in your back-pack.

Regards,
Maciej




Maciej, thank you very much for pointing this mount out to me. Certainly looks like an interesting option.
Do you know the weight of these mounts and of the L-shaped holder? I couldn't find the info on their website.

Heinz


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Mr. Bill
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5929011 - 06/19/13 11:10 AM

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Or buy the highlanders, stay longer, have a great astro trip, and sell them again a at small loss when you get back... Like renting them, just that there is not anyone renting those....
You'll probably like them so much that you may keep them, and if necessary end selling something else that doesnt get much use...




Now that's reasonable...

The dealbreaker for me is that I would have to spend another $1300 for the 21x eyepieces on top of the binocular cost. If I could get the Highlanders with 21x instead of 32x I would buy them.

Edited by Mr. Bill (06/19/13 01:59 PM)


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Goodchild
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5929213 - 06/19/13 01:20 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Or buy the highlanders, stay longer, have a great astro trip, and sell them again a at small loss when you get back... Like renting them, just that there is not anyone renting those....
You'll probably like them so much that you may keep them, and if necessary end selling something else that doesnt get much use...




Now that's reasonable...

The dealbreaker for me is that I would have to spend another $1300 for the 21x eyepieces on top of the binocular cost. If I could get the Highlanders with 21x instead of 31x I would buy them.





If I understand Anacortes web site correctly, you have your choice of ep's.

On a second read, when they say "eyepiece exchange" they probably mean you have flexibility of swapping out ep's if you own two or more sets.

Edited by Goodchild (06/19/13 01:24 PM)


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Andresin150
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Re: New Kowa Highlander - perfect grab and go scope? new [Re: Goodchild]
      #5929271 - 06/19/13 01:38 PM

I did my search a while back: it comes with the 32x eps and you'll have to buy the other two options (21 and 50x).
If you search, there are no separate 32x eps available...
Of course that may have changed since my search... hopefully you´ll find it the way you want...
Bill, if you have the funds, you may buy also the 21x eps and then sell if you no longer want the equipment... Of course thats far from ideal but at least is an option...


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