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Rand Barthel
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What's the deal with Meade and GEMs?
      #5928533 - 06/19/13 12:42 AM

It seems Meade is just not that interested in German EQ mounts any more. They also don't seem interested in selling OTAs separately either. Looking on their website, all of their scope lines except the most basic (LX80) are fork mounts, and you can't buy either OTAs or mounts separately. Unless they've hidden them cleverly on their website. All of which is too bad, because I would be much more interested in their OTAs if you could put them on third party mounts like Orion or iOptron.

I heard there were problems with the LX80 GE-capable mount. Have those been resolved?


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austin.grant
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: Rand Barthel]
      #5928537 - 06/19/13 12:45 AM

I went to Meade.com, waited 3.17 seconds, and the LX850 popped-up in the box in the center of the screen. About 7.48 seconds later, the refractor OTA's popped up. Didn't seem very hidden to me, but perhaps I'm just more astute than the average guy?

Edited by austin.grant (06/19/13 12:46 AM)


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blueman
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: austin.grant]
      #5928552 - 06/19/13 12:54 AM

I just went to their page and they have no listings for the SCT OTAs. Can you post a link?
Blueman


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austin.grant
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: blueman]
      #5928576 - 06/19/13 01:17 AM

Did you try here? I don't think they sell the SCT's separately. I suppose 2 outta 3 ain't bad?

Meade ACF Optical Tubes

**Whoops! I'd selected (f/8) in my link. Click the X and you'll get to see the rest.

Edited by austin.grant (06/19/13 11:08 AM)


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Spacetravelerx
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: austin.grant]
      #5928653 - 06/19/13 03:25 AM

Rand, et. al,

You completely forgot about the LX850 which is an excellent high end GEM.

Mind you, many folks still love fork mounts. There are pros and cons to Forks vs. GEMS. I have the LX850 now and love what I can do with it. But I am also looking now at the 10" LX600 for travel and more public outreach events. Plus the LX850 is moving into an observatory now. I will also get the LX600 with the wedge as I have had success with the Superwedge on the LX200.

Don't forget there other OTAs from Meade - the Meade 6000 Series APOs. Excellent units.

I don't want to get in the Fork vs. GEM debate, but there is certainly a need for high end fork mounts.


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Rand Barthel
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: austin.grant]
      #5928753 - 06/19/13 07:39 AM

Point taken. I guess I have been ignoring things that are wildly out of my price range.

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LLEEGE
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: Rand Barthel]
      #5928772 - 06/19/13 08:03 AM

While not listed on their web site, a quick check of a few vendors shows they sell Meade OTA's a la carte.

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ahopp
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: LLEEGE]
      #5928931 - 06/19/13 10:21 AM

http://store.meade.com/acf-ota.html

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Rand Barthel
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: ahopp]
      #5930405 - 06/20/13 12:20 AM

OK, I admit it. I commented in haste before doping out the Meade website, which is divided rather sharply between an informational site and an online store. As I continue to daydream about how to spend lots of money that I don't have now but expect to have once we recover from our kids' college years, I guess I will now have to headscratch the relative merits of the Meade ACF-SCTs vs. the Celestron EdgeHD.

So Meade DOES have GEM mounts, but their poduct line has GEMs at the entry level (LX80) and the very high end (LX850) and forks in the middle (LX90, LX200, and LX600). By contrast, the Celestron line is more GEM-heavy, with only the CPC series having fork mounts.

I now perceive that my partiality toward Celestron comes from the fact that I am partial to GEMs, and Celestron has more to offer in the mid-price range were I will probably buy. Will the astro-gods strike me down for blasphemy if I mate a Meade OTA to a Celestron mount?


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LLEEGE
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: Rand Barthel]
      #5930723 - 06/20/13 07:46 AM

No, however, there are other mid range price point options out there. Losmandy, Takahashi, Synta, Ioptron, etc....
And let's not for get the AP Mach1.


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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: LLEEGE]
      #5930852 - 06/20/13 09:08 AM

AP and Tak are "mid price"?! Not around here.

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Lee Jay
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: rmollise]
      #5930887 - 06/20/13 09:25 AM

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AP and Tak are "mid price"?! Not around here.




They are if you include companies like Planewave.


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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: Lee Jay]
      #5930956 - 06/20/13 09:58 AM

Tak EM-3500 with pier - 350lb capacity, $83000
AP 3600GTO - 300lb capacity, $20000

That AP is damn cheap if you ask me (for someone who actually needed 300lb capacity)


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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: Lee Jay]
      #5931091 - 06/20/13 11:12 AM

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They are if you include companies like Planewave.




Uhh...I don't. Not by a purty long shot.

Edited by rmollise (06/20/13 11:15 AM)


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Rand Barthel
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: rmollise]
      #5931226 - 06/20/13 12:50 PM

My first rule for this is "no second mortgages to pay for astronomy." So I think that lets AP and PlaneWave off the hook. iOptron looks like a real possibility though.

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frolinmod
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? new [Re: Rand Barthel]
      #5931253 - 06/20/13 01:03 PM

Looking at the resale value of all my nighttime gear, all I have to say is, "Wow, that was one expensive 'rental!'"

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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? [Re: frolinmod]
      #5931267 - 06/20/13 01:08 PM

Cheaper than what a lot of people spend ricing up their cars..

A single long Canon white lens or a flagship DSLR can cost more than a Mach1. Heck I have a macro lens that costs more than all my scopes put together - and it's considered a midrange lens.


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rmollise
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? [Re: orlyandico]
      #5931331 - 06/20/13 01:43 PM

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Cheaper than what a lot of people spend ricing up their cars..

A single long Canon white lens or a flagship DSLR can cost more than a Mach1. Heck I have a macro lens that costs more than all my scopes put together - and it's considered a midrange lens.




I don't have any white lenses either...but my more prole Canon gear has no trouble turning out the publication quality images I need. So it is with my scopes and mounts, too...I frankly wouldn't know what to do with the high priced spread and it would be wasted on little old me.


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Spacetravelerx
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? [Re: Rand Barthel]
      #5931544 - 06/20/13 03:44 PM

Quote:

OK, I admit it. I commented in haste before doping out the Meade website, which is divided rather sharply between an informational site and an online store. As I continue to daydream about how to spend lots of money that I don't have now but expect to have once we recover from our kids' college years, I guess I will now have to headscratch the relative merits of the Meade ACF-SCTs vs. the Celestron EdgeHD.

So Meade DOES have GEM mounts, but their poduct line has GEMs at the entry level (LX80) and the very high end (LX850) and forks in the middle (LX90, LX200, and LX600). By contrast, the Celestron line is more GEM-heavy, with only the CPC series having fork mounts.

I now perceive that my partiality toward Celestron comes from the fact that I am partial to GEMs, and Celestron has more to offer in the mid-price range were I will probably buy. Will the astro-gods strike me down for blasphemy if I mate a Meade OTA to a Celestron mount?





Nah, they won't strike you down. They accept those mixed marriage things.

Still, a lot of us prefer forks over GEMS, especially in the mid-range. I know I would take a fork for my mid-range travel scope any time over a GEM.

I will likely get the 10" LX600, and donate my 22 year old 10" LX200 to my kids. It still works and is in excellent shape.


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: What's the deal with Meade and GEMs? [Re: Rand Barthel]
      #5932562 - 06/21/13 06:59 AM

Quote:

My first rule for this is "no second mortgages to pay for astronomy." So I think that lets AP and PlaneWave off the hook. iOptron looks like a real possibility though.




My first rule is if "the money isn't in the bank to pay for it, I don't buy."

I am with Rod... A-P is not midrange..

Jon


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