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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6004219 - 08/03/13 01:01 AM

That would truly be an awesome addition to this thread!

-Rich


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6004220 - 08/03/13 01:02 AM

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They probably quit selling cheap GEMs because they are much lower margin compared to their other mounts. You're basically answering your own question.

"Let's see, we're losin' money faster than a drunk in Vegas. Shall we grind out a bunch of cheap mounts that's about break-even for us, or shall we hope people will buy a few mounts we can make decent money on and keep drawing payckecks a few more weeks? OTAs cost the same to make, either way...hmmm...decisions, decisions." Duh.

It's like asking why the guy is throwing dirt with a shovel on the ashes of his home instead of water with a garden hose, though. The house is burnt down either way.

Or do you think they are so sensitive that they feel the need to keep grinding out their least expensive and least profitable products as a courtesy, as the walls are falling down around them? I think their minds are elsewhere, like if their yacht is paid for.

Don't worry, whatever Chinese company buys the rights to Meade's carcass will soon be grinding out tens of thousands of cheap GEMs to sit under their SCTs.




Yeah ! That's it ! That's the ticket !
Celestron , who has continued to offer affordable GEMs in a variety of price points well below what Meade GEMs cost , seems to be thriving . Meanwhile Meade is sinking .
Yeah ! That makes sense !



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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6004231 - 08/03/13 01:12 AM

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Thanks teach ! I thought they painted those filters right there in Irvine ! (my home town).




Dude, perfect! Please drive/ride over to Meade HQ and take some pictures of the parking lot for us on Monday, see if anyone is coming to work. Try to get some "man on the street" interviews, too - video would be outstanding, although asking a lot. You have a chance to record history over the next several weeks.

If nothing else, at least take some pics and talk to the security guard.




Dude ! I just got back from there !
I had to take a chopper though . Peter Fonda has my helicopter for the week .
They've dismantled the Ash Dome off the top of the building and it's sitting in pieces in the parking lot on skids .
They've fired all the security guards and replaced them with gorilla soldiers armed with AK47s . I tried to take you some pictures but I ran out of film in my 35mm and the local five and dime doesn't carry the stuff anymore .
Sorry Dude!


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6004277 - 08/03/13 02:13 AM

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It's still puzzling to me why they dropped the moderately priced LXD75 line with a choice of seven different OTAs available at a price point that the average joe could afford .
Also puzzling that they dropped their Broadband , Narrowband and OIII filters . These were all top notch .
And what about the more premium Barlows or Tele extenders ? Nothing there anymore either .
An attempt at narrowing the offerings due to money problems ?
It seems that they cut in all the wrong areas .
Just thinkin' out loud er somethin' .





The LXD 75 and TeleXtenders came from JOC, from whom Meade's relationship was severed. That's why they were dropped.
The LX80 was supposed to be its replacement (original retail price $799), but the price escalated and the mount didn't work.

Note: I was working for a big Meade retailer and the LTs and LSs sold well while the LXD75 8" just languished on the sales floor. Why? Because for every person to whom the LXD75 8" would be appealing, there were 1000 people who thought it was too heavy, too large, and not convenient to use.
I suspect that Celestron's SE series similarly RADICALLY outsells their VX 8".
Over the years Celestron has discontinued and brought back that scope several times while the SE's sales have risen steadily.
Most people view scopes in that price class as entry-level AP scopes, but most people who are looking in that price class aren't concerned about AP.
That changes at higher price levels.


Edited by Starman1 (08/03/13 02:26 AM)


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: Starman1]
      #6004296 - 08/03/13 02:48 AM

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The LXD 75 and TeleXtenders came from JOC, from whom Meade's relationship was severed.



Correct , as did the achromats etc .
So then one might wonder if the relationship was severed by Meade due to QC issues at JOC that ultimately cost Meade a bunch of money ? Or did JOC have a plot to put Meade in ruins , deliberately sabotaging the products ? Did Meade get under JOCs skin somehow and they were looking for an exit to a contract ? Does anyone know why that long term relationship ended . Couldn't Meade find another manufacturer to replace those items in their product line ? We're they already in financial disarray so deep that no one else would take on the task ? Did JOC catch wind of the financial situation or Meade was in arrears to the point that they just threw in the towel on QC when it came to production for Meade ?
Explore Scientific hit the market running . And with a line of oculars that mimicked Meades high end stuff to the point that it was absolutely obvious . To this day the Explore Scientifc refractors are so Meade like it isn't even funny . Etc . etc .etc .
What I can't say is who produced Meades LP , NB and line filters .
I would think that you would know the answer to that Don . I do know that they were great filters and wouldn't trade mine away for nothin' .
For that matter who produced Meades colored planetary filters or the ND96 ? Obviously they weren't in house as the early ones were stamped Japan and the later (at least the planetary) ones were Chinese .


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6004355 - 08/03/13 05:32 AM

Or, maybe Meade was put on COD and just couldn't swing it.

Bill


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6004371 - 08/03/13 06:18 AM

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The only thing we can do as consumers, and it is a very important thing for small companies in our hobby: if you want a company to be around 10 years from now, then reliably and consistently buy their products, preferring them above others, and encouraging other consumers to do the same.

Think of your equipment purchases as votes for a company's survival, or as a statement that they "deserve" to continue in operation.




After reading this thread, it seems apparent to me that the problems at Meade were more fundamental, it had to do with being a publicly owned corporation trying to satisfy the stockholder's unrealistic desires for increased sales and increased stock value. Somehow, it is not enough that a company just goes along manufacturing a good line of products with steady sales figures...

What we saw as consumers were the symptoms of an unhealthy corporation, buying equipment from Meade would only treat the symptoms, not the underlying disease.

Jon


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6004437 - 08/03/13 08:42 AM

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I have two of them and they both worked as advertised . I've seen plenty of others at star parties that also worked as advertised . A buddy of mine bought the mount separately to get his 8" SCT off of his old LXD500 and have a Go-To mount . It worked as advertised . This one was one of the last ones out if I'm not mistaken . Maybe he got lucky . Maybe I got lucky . Maybe all the guys at GMARS all got lucky .
Were all the LXD75s flawless ? No . Of course not .
But the CG5GT was far from flawless and having superior QC also . What can be expected for a six hundred dollar mount ?
For twelve you could get the Vixen .




Reread my post. IF THE LX80 HAD WORKED PERFECTLY.

Some LXD 75s worked well, but the last couple of years were mostly pitiful.


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6004456 - 08/03/13 08:58 AM

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The only thing we can do as consumers, and it is a very important thing for small companies in our hobby: if you want a company to be around 10 years from now, then reliably and consistently buy their products, preferring them above others, and encouraging other consumers to do the same.

Think of your equipment purchases as votes for a company's survival, or as a statement that they "deserve" to continue in operation.





That is not how it happens, we look round for the cheapest item we can. Not sure of the US but here people will look for the cheapest item then complain about both the item and the supplier. Then the next time go back to the same place and start again.

Concerning buying the next bit from the same supplier well I have a Meade scope, nice little thing, does what I want and it is 12 years old. I have had 3 cars in that time. So if taken care of a scope lasts a long time.

Nightmare is if a bit of a Meade scope gives up I would most likely find it easier to just buy another scope. If a bit of the car gives up I buy another bit and replace it, and I do not need to go the the manufacturer for the bit. Not sure of the US but a used Meade handset here is costly, they can get damaged and a new one is plain expensive and difficult to obtain. Why? Why is it not an easily purchased item for a reasonable cost. I would think more of Meade if it were - equally the others are the same.

I could probably sell the handsets I have for much the same as the scopes. In effect the scope is worth little but the handset is a key item.

Scopes are not something that has a high turn over rate. When you get to the situation of thinking sell them scope A, then scope B, followed by scope C it all falls down. Many clubs here have Meade scopes, again they have had them for 8-10 years, some longer. There is not the turn over in scopes that many company models seem to be based on.

Was surprised that the LS series didn't take off more.


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6004643 - 08/03/13 11:26 AM

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The LXD 75 and TeleXtenders came from JOC, from whom Meade's relationship was severed.



Correct , as did the achromats etc .
So then one might wonder if the relationship was severed by Meade due to QC issues at JOC that ultimately cost Meade a bunch of money ? Or did JOC have a plot to put Meade in ruins , deliberately sabotaging the products ? Did Meade get under JOCs skin somehow and they were looking for an exit to a contract ? Does anyone know why that long term relationship ended . Couldn't Meade find another manufacturer to replace those items in their product line ? We're they already in financial disarray so deep that no one else would take on the task ? Did JOC catch wind of the financial situation or Meade was in arrears to the point that they just threw in the towel on QC when it came to production for Meade ?
Explore Scientific hit the market running . And with a line of oculars that mimicked Meades high end stuff to the point that it was absolutely obvious . To this day the Explore Scientifc refractors are so Meade like it isn't even funny . Etc . etc .etc .
What I can't say is who produced Meades LP , NB and line filters .
I would think that you would know the answer to that Don . I do know that they were great filters and wouldn't trade mine away for nothin' .
For that matter who produced Meades colored planetary filters or the ND96 ? Obviously they weren't in house as the early ones were stamped Japan and the later (at least the planetary) ones were Chinese .



Probably was on open account, then had to open L/Cs and couldn't swing it and was cut off by JOC.
Meade went to Kunming United Optical for the new refractors (and, we presume, other things), but products weren't immediately available from other suppliers, even if Meade DID have the money. It took a long while for the ETX90 to become available again from another supplier, fo example.


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: sg6]
      #6004653 - 08/03/13 11:33 AM

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Was surprised that the LS series didn't take off more.



First ones were very late in being delivered.
All were problematic and recalled. A lot of bad GPS units. Then they had to reposition the GPS unit in the scope to get it to work.
Long gap in delivering repaired units and the second production batch.
2nd batch not without problems either.
People gave up waiting and went with other scopes.
Had it been delivered with, say, 1 problem in 100 instead of 1 in 2, it would have taken off more.
It even had problems being shipped back. A lot of units failed when the scope wasn't in the packing configuration and the scope did not have a slip clutch to allow a manual repositioning of the scope for packing.
Good idea. Poor execution.


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: Starman1]
      #6004722 - 08/03/13 12:11 PM

And what's interesting is how under-reported this one on CN. A lot of different faults have ocurred, but very little message traffic. We have a lot of people ready to pounce on anyone who has reported a problem. Now, here we are where the company making them is going under and much of the record here would point to a misleading narrative about things being just fine until very recently.

In reality, it's a decade of bad product launches, poor execution on existing products, and then a last desperate overreach. I know it sounds kindly to say "Oh, the market changed adn things didn't work out." Someone reading this may be the one who builds a new revolution, maybe in astronomy, or maybe in something else. We need to honestly report what happened, and Don, thank you for helping make that happen.

-Rich


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: Starhawk]
      #6004803 - 08/03/13 12:59 PM

I had an ETX-125, the optics were very good. I have an LX90 ACF 8", the optics are superb. If everything else Meade did was as good as there scope optics we would not be having this discussion....

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Who Is Ningbo Sunny Electronic Co., Ltd. [Re: wags1]
      #6004831 - 08/03/13 01:19 PM

Here's a little background on the Ningbo Sunny Electronic Co. a subsidiary of the Sunny Group Co., Ltd.

Sunny Group Co., Ltd. Subsidiaries:

Sunny Optical Technology Group Co Ltd
Ningbo Sunny Electronic Co., Ltd., products: ICs telescopic & riflescope spare parts, OEM for Orion Telescope.
Ningbo Citiwell Optical Instruments, microscope/telescopic eyepieces (Meade)
Ningbo Astro Imaging Co., Ltd., telescope accessories
Ningbo Sunny Science & Technology, telescopic scope & spot spotting scopes
Ningbo Sunny Instruments Co.
Ningbo Sunny Opotech Co., Ltd.
Ningbo Sunny Infrared Technologies Company, Ltd
Zhejiang Sunny Optics Co., Ltd.
Sunny Optics (Tianjin) Co., Ltd
Xinyang Sunny Optics Co., Ltd.
Sunny Instruments Singapore PTE., Ltd.
Suzhou Shun Xin Instruments Co., Ltd.

Sunny Group Co., Ltd., is located in Yuyao district, Ningbo city, formerly known as Yuyao Optical Instrument Factory No.2. Apparently a former State owned operation. Its main equipment ranges from optical cold processing equipment, precision machinary, coaters, plastic-infusing equipment and optical testing equipment. The firm is mainly in the line of designing, manufacturing, marketing optical components, optical instruments and electroptics. Presently, the company is specialising in are assortment of optical lenses, microscopes, auto-levels, telescopes, etc. Two third of its products are exported to West Europe and North America.

Sunny Group Co., Ltd. Board of Directors:

Ye Liaoning has been re-designated as Executive Chairman of the Board of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd., he is currently a director of various members of the Group.

Wang Wenjian is Honorary Non-Executive Chairman of the Board of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He was responsible for the overall formulation of policies, decision-making and management of the Group. Wang joined Yuyao County Chengbei Optical Instruments Factory in 1984 as the factory manager and had been its general manager since 1994 when it was transformed to a joint stock limited liability company. Wang has been serving as a director of members of the Group since the listing of the Companyís shares (the ďListingĒ) on the Main Board of The Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited.

Sun Yang is Chief Executive Officer, Executive Director of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the overall operation and management of the Group. He joined Zhejiang Sunny (Group) Joint Stock Company Limited, originally known as Yuyao County Chengbei Optical Instruments Factory, as chief officer of its investment management centre in 2002. Sun is currently a director of various members of the Group.

Liu Rui serves as Vice President of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the strategic planning, R&D and the information management. Prior to joining the Group in February 2006, Liu worked in Olympus (Shenzhen) Industrial Ltd. as the planning manager.

Ho Francis serves as General Manager - Taiwan Office of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the daily administration of Taiwan office. He has approximately 17 years of experiences in optical R&D and project management. Ho obtained a masterís degree in Applied Physics from Catholic Louvain University in Belgium in 1989. He has experience in optical R&D and project management. Ho previously worked in Optoelectronic Laboratory of Industry Technology Research Institute in Xing Zhu, Taiwan. Prior to joining the Group in April 2007, he worked as overseas business manager at Geniuo Electronic Optical Co., Ltd. from July 2006. He also worked in other listed companies such as Meiloon, Lite-on Electronics and Primax Technology from 1994 to 2006, mainly responsible for R&D of consumer electronics and business application products.

Wu Jun is the Acting General Manager of Zhejiang Sunny Optics Co., Ltd., a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for assisting the general manager in the daily administration of Sunny Optics. Wu graduated with a bachelorís degree in Optical Instruments from Shanghai Institute of Mechanism in 1986. Wu worked in Jiangxi Optics Instrument General Factory for 10 years as research officer and chief of quality control. He also joined Yuyao Optoelectronic in 1997.

Chen Huiguang serves as General Manager of Ningbo Sunny Infrared Technologies Company Ltd., a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the daily administration of Sunny Infrared. Chen obtained a bachelorís degree in optical instruments from Zhejiang University in 1983. He also obtained a masterís degree in engineering from Zhejiang University in 1992. Prior to joining the Group in November 2001, Chen worked in Xintian Precision and Optical Instrument Company Limited and thereafter joined Yuyao Optoelectronic in 1999.

Guo Jingchao serves as General Manager of Xinyang Sunny Optics Co. Ltd. & Deputy General Manager of Zhejiang Sunny Optics Co., Ltd., subsidiaries of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He overlooks the entire plane products business of Sunny Optics, including production, technology and quality control and the daily administration of Sunny Xinyang. Guo obtained a bachelorís degree from Changchun University of Science and Technology in 1986, and a Masterís degree in Engineering Management from Nanjing University of Science and Technology in 2002. Prior to joining the Group in February 2001, Guo worked in Costar Group. He served as the deputy general manager of Costar Group and Lida Optical and Electronic Co., Ltd. In 1997, Guo was accredited as a senior engineer by China North Industries Group Corporation.

Lou Guojun serves as General Manager of Ningbo Sunny Instruments Co a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the daily administration of Sunny Instruments. He obtained a diploma in business enterprise operation management from (Zhejiang Radio & TV University) in 1999. Prior to joining the Group in November 2001, Lou worked in Yuyao Optoelectronic.

Song Yunfeng was Deputy General Manager and Director of Sunny Instruments Singapore PTE. Ltd. a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the daily sales business of Sunny Instruments Singapore. Song graduated from the School of Precision Instrument and Optical Electronic Engineering of (Tianjin University) with a Masterís degree in engineering in 1987, and obtained a Doctorís degree in engineering from (Tsinghua University) in 1990. Before joining the Group in March 2008, Song worked for (Ministry of Space Industry of PRC), (Nanyang Technological University), Singapore Factory of American Dataplay Company, and (Agency for Science, Technology of Singapore and Research).

Wang Wenjie serves as General Manager of Ningbo Sunny Opotech Co., Ltd. a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is the chairman of the board of Jiangsu Sunny Medical Instruments Co., Ltd. and the general manager of Hangzhou Sunny Security Technology Co., Ltd.. He is responsible for the daily administration of Sunny Opotech and for the overall policy establishment, decision and administration of Sunny Medical and Sunny Security. Wang graduated from Zhejiang University with a bachelorís degree in Engineering in 1989. Prior to joining the Group in July 2002, he worked in Yuyao Optoelectronic since his graduation.

Zhang Guoxian serves as General Manager of Zhejiang Sunny Optics Co., Ltd. a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the daily administration of that company. Zhang graduated from Yuyao Wancheng School in 1983 and joined the Group since his graduation. Prior to being appointed as the general manager of Zhejiang Sunny Optics Co., Ltd., Zhang had held positions including the head of manufacturing department of optical lens sets, a deputy general manager, a standing deputy general manager in that company.

Zheng Shouhao serves as Representative Director of Power Optics Company Limited a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is a representative director of Power Optics Company Limited. He is responsible for daily operational management of Power Optics. Zheng obtained a bachelorís degree in Chemical Mechanics from Busan National University in February 1981, and a masterís degree in Environmental Engineering from Yeongnam University in February 1985. Prior to joining the Group in the second half of 2004, Zheng worked for Samsung Techwin Co., Ltd. of Korea SAMSUNG Group. Later he was appointed as the factory manager of Tianjin Samsung Opto-electronics Co., Ltd.

Zhu Chuangui is General Manager of Sunny Instruments Singapore PTE. Ltd., & Suzhou Shun Xin Instruments Co., Ltd., subsidiaries of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for the daily operational management of Sunny Instruments Singapore. Zhu received a Doctorís degree from (Xiían Institute of Optics and Precision Mechanics of CAS) in 1992. He undertook postdoctoral studies in Xiían Institute of Optics and Precision Mechanics of CAS from 1992 to 1994 and was a senior visiting scholar in the three dimensional image study team of electronic engineering faculty in (Nottingham Trent University) from 1997 to 1998. Before joining the Group in 2008, he had served as an associate researcher of Xiían Institute of Optics and Precision Mechanics of CAS; the dean of Youth Research Centre, supervisor of postgraduate students and standing committee of Xiían Institute of Optics and Precision Mechanics of CAS; research fellow of (Computer Integrated Medical Intervention Lab, School of Mechanical & Production Engineering, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore), and a project manager of Volume Interactions Company.

Zhu Xinqiang serves as General Manager of Shanghai Sunny Hengping Scientific Instrument Co., Ltd. a subsidiary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He is responsible for daily operational management of Sunny Hengping Instrument. Zhu obtained a Bachelorís degree in optical instrument from (Shanghai Technology and Engineering University) in 1986 and a Masterís degree in Business Administration from (East China University of Science & Technology) in 2003. Prior to joining the Group in November 2007, Zhu worked in (Shanghai Third Analytical Instrument Factory), (Shanghai Analytical Instrument Overall Factory) and (Shanghai Hengping Scientific Instrument Co., Ltd.). He served as the deputy factory manager of (Shanghai Analytical Instrument Overall Factory) and the general manager of (Shanghai Hengping Scientific Instrument Co., Ltd.). Zhu was accredited as a qualified engineer by the local authority of Shanghai in 1991.

Hu Yanyu is Joint Company Secretary, Head - Investors Relation of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Company Limited. She joined the Group in 1999 and has taken up positions in various departments of the Group such as administration, marketing & sales and investorsí relationship. Ms, Hu is responsible for investor relationship management and company secretarial matters. Ms. Hu is an affiliated person of the Hong Kong Institute of Chartered Secretaries. Ms. Hu holds a masterís degree in Business Administration from Shanghai University of Finance and Economics and bachelorís degree in Administration from Zhejiang University.

Wong Pui Ling, CPA, is Joint Company Secretary of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Company Limited. Ms. Wong is authorized representative and agent of the Company. Ms. Wong is primarily responsible for company secretarial matters and financial management. Ms. Wong joined the Group in 2007. Ms. Wong has 9 years of experiences in the financial reporting, accounting and auditing. She is a qualified accountant and is a member of the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants and the Hong Kong Institute of Certified Public Accountants. Wong holds a bachelorís degree in Business Administration from the Chinese University of Hong Kong and a postgraduate diploma in Finance and Law from the University of Hong Kong.

Sha Ye is Non-Executive Director of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He currently is the managing partner of Chengwei Ventures Evergreen Fund L.P., a private equity investment firm headquartered in Shanghai, PRC. Before joining Chengwei Ventures Evergreen Fund L.P., Sha was the general manager, China and global vice president of Convergys Corporation (NYSE: CVG) responsible for China business development and its global customer relationship management, and product research and development. Sha was the founder and chief executive officer of BMI Asia (which was acquired by Convergys Corporation in March 2008) since 2000. Sha was the inventor for a real time billing patent (7,233,918) of Portal Software Incorporation (NDAQ: PRSF, later acquired by Oracle Corporation). Sha holds a masterís degree in Computer Science from Wesleyan University in the United States and a bachelorís degree in Computer Science from Shanghai Jiao Tong University in the PRC. He was appointed as a non-executive Director in September 2010.

Chu (Richard) Peng Fei is Independent Non-Executive Director of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. He was the chief financial officer of AAC Acoustic Technologies Holdings Inc. (ďACCĒ, a company listed in The Stock Exchange of Hong Kong Limited (ďStock ExchangeĒ), stock code: 2018) during the period from April 2004 to November 2007. Before joining AAC, Chu held various finance management positions in Shanghai Viasystems Electronic Manufacturing Service Company Limited, Aurora Company (China) the e-Millenium Two Fund and Shanghai New Margin Venture Capital as well as Yunan Ximeliu Aluminium Foil Co. Ltd. Chu has over 20 yearsí experience in finance. Chu holds a masterís degree in Science from the University of Houston-Clear Lake in the United States. He was appointed as an independent non-executive Director in September 2010.

Dr. Liu Xu serves as Independent Non-Executive Director of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. Dr. Liu currently is the standing vice dean of the College of Information Science and Engineering, Zhejiang University. Dr. Liu graduated from Universite Paul Cezanne, France with a doctorís degree in Information and Material Science. He was then engaged in his postdoctoral research in instrument and meter science in Zhejiang University from 1990 to 1993 where he obtained a postdoctoral certificate. Dr. Liu also holds a bachelorís degree in engineering from Zhejiang University. Dr. Liu has over 17 yearsí experience in education, and has been an associate professor of Zhejiang University since 1992. In 1995, he became the head of the National Key Lab of Modern Optical Instrument. In addition, he is a director of a private company engaged in sales and manufacturing of optical engines of projection displays. He was appointed as an independent non-executive Director in May 2007.

Zhang Yuqing serves as Independent Non-Executive Director of Sunny Optical Technology (Group) Co Ltd. Prior to joining the Group, Zhang worked in Shanghai Port Bureau as the head of the financial division as well as the auditing division. He was appointed as a director of Shanghai Worldbest Industry Development Co., Ltd. from 2001 to 2003 and acted as its chief financial officer. Zhang graduated from Shanghai Maritime University in 1982 with a bachelorís degree in Economics and is a certified public accountant of the Chinese Institute of Certified Public Accountants. He currently sits on the board of each of Rizhao Port Co., Ltd and Shanghai Xinmei Real Estate Co., Ltd. He was appointed as an independent non-executive Director in May 2007.


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: rmollise]
      #6004896 - 08/03/13 02:25 PM

Quote:

Quote:



I have two of them and they both worked as advertised . I've seen plenty of others at star parties that also worked as advertised . A buddy of mine bought the mount separately to get his 8" SCT off of his old LXD500 and have a Go-To mount . It worked as advertised . This one was one of the last ones out if I'm not mistaken . Maybe he got lucky . Maybe I got lucky . Maybe all the guys at GMARS all got lucky .
Were all the LXD75s flawless ? No . Of course not .
But the CG5GT was far from flawless and having superior QC also . What can be expected for a six hundred dollar mount ?
For twelve you could get the Vixen .




Reread my post. IF THE LX80 HAD WORKED PERFECTLY.

Some LXD 75s worked well, but the last couple of years were mostly pitiful.





Good morning all!

I have to say with all my travels it has been very frustrating not being able to respond to this forum, however it is a fun read.

Also, I think I will be banned from most locations - everywhere I go with my "grab and go" setup there are clouds. Correction - there was one clear night, but heavy winds. Grrrrrr....

Now onto the topic at hand...

- I don't know if the LX80 had to work perfectly, but close to as advertised. It seems like all the mounts under $2k I read here on CN seems to have a batch of their problems, glitches, issues. Which then I have to ask...this seems acceptable in our hobby, which is weird. If I had a glitch on my iPhone, truck, etc. I would be ticked.

- Meade did seem to rush many of their product launches over the last decade, but they are not immune to this. I sense we as a collective for the industry are the beta testers for many products.

- Someone confirmed in an early post this week about the impact CN might be having on Meade sales. I said that and got reamed big time. Curious, absolutely curious.

- Meade still is selling products, though my guess is they are either selling what they have left in stock or its product they can manufacture themselves. They are still cranking out LX600s and LX850s, and the lower end models. I think also PSTs. I will be getting another OTA from them in 2 weeks.

- LXD75. I really love this little mount (mine is the 3 year old version). I do understand the QA issues in recent times. Yes, it is supplier's fault for the shoddy last run on the mounts, however Meade needed to be on top of their supplier. I sense we will see a new incarnation of this mount in the near future.

- I think we can all agree going public was poor for Meade, great for the initial stock holders.

- The "emotional" factor. Yes, Meade is just a business. Businesses come and go. And it is about making money - not bleeding it all away. However, Meade has been around long enough and has had an impact on many of us such that there is an "emotional" factor. I oogled over their ads as a kid, the two page spread showing all their goodies. Then at 13 I got my first goodie as you know - the "research grade" ortho; over course this would vastly improve my RV-6. I was very happy as a kid - and Meade was there.

Then I got my first "High end" telescope - the LX200. I drooled over the ads, and saved for it. It was a remarkable achievement when it came out, this cannot be denied. It was delivered to my lab at the University of Michigan and it was MAJOR exciting day for me (everyone at the Aero department was pretty excited too!). My 10" LX200 works flawlessly to this day.

And now, I patiently waited through all the LX800 drama and finally got my LX850. And contrary to some folks it is quite a remarkable unit. My family loves it! Students love it! I will post videos of it and from it when I get back home. FYI - no one has taken me up on my AP/Celestron/Meade LX850 shoot out. If no one shows up I will compete against card board cutouts lol.

So yes, Meade is just a business, however their products have touched many of us.

Thats it for now - time for the Redwood Forests and more clouds!


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: rmollise]
      #6005067 - 08/03/13 04:01 PM


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Reread my post. IF THE LX80 HAD WORKED PERFECTLY.





Okie Dokie , ......here's your post .

Quote:

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Yeah, the demise of the LXD75 line was disappointing. The LX80 is and odd alternative.




It wouldn't have been if it had worked as advertised.





Any questions ?


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6005072 - 08/03/13 04:04 PM

Actually here's the page in its entirety .
Are you lacking sleep Rod ?
I know I have my ups and downs .


Quote:

Quote:

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Yeah, the demise of the LXD75 line was disappointing. The LX80 is and odd alternative.




It wouldn't have been if it had worked as advertised.




I have two of them and they both worked as advertised . I've seen plenty of others at star parties that also worked as advertised . A buddy of mine bought the mount separately to get his 8" SCT off of his old LXD500 and have a Go-To mount . It worked as advertised . This one was one of the last ones out if I'm not mistaken . Maybe he got lucky . Maybe I got lucky . Maybe all the guys at GMARS all got lucky .
Were all the LXD75s flawless ? No . Of course not .
But the CG5GT was far from flawless and having superior QC also . What can be expected for a six hundred dollar mount ?
For twelve you could get the Vixen .




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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: rmollise]
      #6005078 - 08/03/13 04:11 PM

And then in conclusion ;


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I have two of them and they both worked as advertised . I've seen plenty of others at star parties that also worked as advertised . A buddy of mine bought the mount separately to get his 8" SCT off of his old LXD500 and have a Go-To mount . It worked as advertised . This one was one of the last ones out if I'm not mistaken . Maybe he got lucky . Maybe I got lucky . Maybe all the guys at GMARS all got lucky .
Were all the LXD75s flawless ? No . Of course not .
But the CG5GT was far from flawless and having superior QC also . What can be expected for a six hundred dollar mount ?
For twelve you could get the Vixen .




Reread my post. IF THE LX80 HAD WORKED PERFECTLY.

Some LXD 75s worked well, but the last couple of years were mostly pitiful.




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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6005086 - 08/03/13 04:16 PM

I dunno what it is about this thread , but it's like Celestron gets a pass in the court of public opinion , but Meade is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law .
You'd think we were dealing with the main stream media here .


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Re: The plot thickens (Meade takeover) [Re: starrancher]
      #6005103 - 08/03/13 04:35 PM

Dude, I read the same thing as Ron had intended, i.e., that losing the LX75 wouldn't have been a disappointment if the LX80 had worked right. I just didn't want to say anything at the time.

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