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Den Mama
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Reged: 05/14/05

Loc: montana
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: JS999R]
      #5951986 - 07/02/13 07:53 PM

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Just figure their motivation why they are out there away from people in the first place




Well, I'm out in the country. Let's see why am I out here Peaceful quietness, beautiful scenery, lots of wildlife, able to take long walks in the country, right out my door. Oh, and last but definitely not least; beautiful dark skies with no street lights, etc. to enjoy the views of the night skies.

I must be crazy to live out here!



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dakota
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5952058 - 07/02/13 08:44 PM

Carol,

You have a piece of heaven.

I live in a small South Dakota town and wouldn't go back to "big city life" for all the tea in China so to speak.


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Mike B
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5952109 - 07/02/13 09:15 PM

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I must be crazy to live out here!






No, but i'm sure it helps.

Sorry, couldn't resist...


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...and wouldn't go back to "big city life" for all the tea in China so to speak.



That's okay, i'm sure "the big city" is not where they keep it, anyway.

Actually, i think i envy you both. When we were first married, we lived in Santa Barbara, CA- a gorgeous, idyllic city "on the beach", having practically "perfect" year 'round weather. Yet it was soooo crowded, expensive, and intense- not at all calm or peaceful.

We've since relocated to a modest sized town of 35k... i can see mag 5 stars from my backyard. 'Tain't too bad here... but whenever we travel the 45 minutes to a nearby "big city", i can feel my hackles go up. I hate the thot of ever moving closer to a major population center! Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to head a bit the other direction...


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csa/montana
Den Mama
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Reged: 05/14/05

Loc: montana
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: dakota]
      #5952188 - 07/02/13 10:24 PM

Hans, indeed I do have a piece of heaven! I only have one neighbor living here year around, so very secluded and peaceful. My observatory gets a lot of use!

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REC
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Loc: NC
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5952810 - 07/03/13 10:02 AM

Carol, what's your address, I want to come and visit you

Bob


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Cotts
Just Wondering
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Reged: 10/10/05

Loc: Toronto, Ontario
Re: The battle with HOA has began. [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5952893 - 07/03/13 10:57 AM

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As we have seen moving out to the country is not always a solution because there are a fair share of weirdos there as well. Just figure their motivation why they are out there away from people in the first place, many of them are anti this and that to the ridiculous and especially get stranger when they have to follow a rule or two.




Sounds like my kind of folks; the type who value their liberty and resent unwarranted intrusion.

Being a suburbanite, I don't know the exact phrase that rural dwellers might use to describe those who must have not only their own lawns manicured, and their own houses without flaw, but in addition seek to inflict the same standards upon their hapless neighbors; however, I doubt that "weirdo" would be a sufficiently strong descriptor.

Fred




Regarding moving to a rural site. Two stories, one successful, one horrible.

My story. In 1991 I bought a country home, mag6.2 skies about 90 minutes from Toronto to build an observatory. There was one neighbour who had three of the dreaded 400 watt mercury vapour lights. They put up their own light dome halfway up the western sky. I put up with it for a month and invited the farmer and his family over for a bar b q and some observing. They enjoyed the views and my tale of moving from the city for dark skies. The farmer looked to the west and said, "Well, it's not so dark here, look at that glow." I said, "that's the lights of your farm. Pretty bright, eh?" From that night onward those lights never came on again.

Cautionary tale: A former teaching colleague of mine bought a rural property as a weekend and summer retreat for birdwatching and nature photography. He had the place for at least ten years with no problem until one day when he caught a local man hunting on his property. My colleague had the man charged by the OPP and there was a conviction and a fine imposed. One week later while my friend was in Toronto at his teaching job, thieves backed a truck up to his house and emptied it to the four walls. They took everything down to the toilet paper in the bathroom, pictures on the wall, food in the cupboards etc. When he went up the next weekend he saw the truck wheel marks in the driveway and his house was empty except for a piece of paper which had the message, "Go Back To Toronto" written on it. No one was ever charged for the theft. He sold the place soon after.

So there's two ways to go if you move into someone's 'territory'.

Dave


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Adam Taylor
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Loc: Arizona
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Cotts]
      #5953000 - 07/03/13 12:08 PM

Chilling story!

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Tony Flanders
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Cotts]
      #5953062 - 07/03/13 12:46 PM

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A former teaching colleague of mine bought a rural property as a weekend and summer retreat for birdwatching and nature photography. He had the place for at least ten years with no problem until one day when he caught a local man hunting on his property. My colleague had the man charged by the OPP and there was a conviction and a fine imposed.




Where I own my country home, that would be a violation of an unwritten convention. It's sort of assumed that people can go onto their neighbors' land for legitimate purposes, which certainly includes hunting.

Obviously, it's polite to ask permission first. But when I catch somebody hunting on my land or my neighbor's land, I speak to them nicely, find out about their credentials, and if necessary, ask them politely to leave. Suing somebody would truly be a last resort.

Not everybody operates according to this code. Some would escort you off their land at the point of a gun, for instance. But if your friend violated the code out of simple unawareness, that is indeed a characteristic city-transplant sin.

Mostly, the more deer get killed on my property, the better ...


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hm insulators
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Smittty692k4]
      #5953113 - 07/03/13 01:10 PM

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While I'm not in HOA's control, my neighbor's lights blind me sometimes as well. The worst is when they have to take their little poodle/chihuahua/terrier thing outside at like 11pm to make "tink-tink" or potty or whatever they ungodly call it after my dark adaption has hit high gear.







"'Tink-tink'"?! That's one I've never heard before!


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orion61

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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: JS999R]
      #5953117 - 07/03/13 01:12 PM

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As we have seen moving out to the country is not always a solution because there are a fair share of weirdos there as well. Just figure their motivation why they are out there away from people in the first place, many of them are anti this and that to the ridiculous and especially get stranger when they have to follow a rule or two.




Wow that is the single most offensive thing I have ever heard! I can tell you are a city boy, and have never even met someone living in the country who supplies the Food you eat.
I have lived in both places and can attest the Country folks
are a lot more "normal" per 100 than most my City Neighbors I have lived by in the city, They also work longer and harder hours than simply 9to5, and do not get nearly the thanks or credit from the people they feed and cloth during their 70 plus hour work weeks...


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Wmacky
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: orion61]
      #5953162 - 07/03/13 01:43 PM

I have the pleasure of living in the country, with the long work commute to go with it, but there is a problem. I only own 1 acre of land. What should be some what dark sky's with just 1 large light dome, is ruined by 2 neighbors that surround me with their powerful electric fire suns. The worst one across the street offered to keep the closest light off. However, when the husband got kicked out. the wife turned the fire sun back on.

You see living in the country means nothing unless you own a very large track of property that can be left "wooded" around the perimeter as a giant light block. Even better is a trac within a state park area to keep out walmarts, and sports complexes.

I spend over 5 grand to build an observatory with high walls just to block the lights from my rude neighbors, but you know what? It still just burns me up having to shield my eyes from the blinding lights. I how noe decided to spend thousands more to line my lot front, and back with rows of those tall cone shaped evergreen type trees. The ones you see on estates that look like soilders lined up!

Edited by Wmacky (07/03/13 01:52 PM)


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Mike B
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Loc: shake, rattle, & roll, CA
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: hm insulators]
      #5953177 - 07/03/13 01:53 PM

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"'Tink-tink'"?! That's one I've never heard before!



Must be the sound gerbil kidney-stones make when hitting sheet-metal?

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I have lived in both places and can attest the Country folks are a lot more "normal" per 100 than most my City Neighbors



That's what i would've thot... yet around these parts the rural, hilly areas are a significant crime & law-enforcement issue re: uhhh... let's just say "maryjane"-farms & "twinkie"-labs. And as with the city population, it's likely a relative minority that are the problem... but a very visible & frightening problem! In fact, what d'ya wanna bet its the percentage cookin' "twinkies" in the hills that are providing it to the percentage in the city who use it?

Even so, a while back our own neighborhood had a "twinkie"-house; it was unbelievable- a clean, modern subdivision, cul-de-sacs, young children playing everywhere... and then these brain-donors, too! And to tie-in the small dog theme, they had a "poodle/chihuahua/terrier thing" named "Crystal".


Perhaps it's here that an aggressive HOA would be majorly useful?


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bunyon
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Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Mike B]
      #5953243 - 07/03/13 02:26 PM

<i>Perhaps it's here that an aggressive HOA would be majorly useful?</i>

Society has a HOA-type mechanism for this: the police. Call them.


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Achernar
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Wmacky]
      #5953376 - 07/03/13 03:59 PM Attachment (12 downloads)

I build light blockers, such as the three poles I just welded today for hanging a large tarp off of to block flood lights. I would do the same in your situation, and try plating trees or tall bushes that will turn into a barrier between your yard and the bright lights around it. Here is a photo of one solution that can work, if it's not windy. As for the man whose house was cleaned out, in his shoes I would not have moved, I would have reported anyone on my land with a gun thereafter as a threat to the police, and they would find out that I like many others WILL prosecute if they are lucky. Tresspassing on people's land is now a potential felony in most, if not all states. In Alabama, people go to jail for five years in the state prison for tresspassing while armed with a gun.

Taras


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auriga
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: AstroTatDad]
      #5953412 - 07/03/13 04:28 PM

What is an HOA? You have only used the initials. Home owners's association? We didn't have them in Manhattan! Are they like condo owners' associations? Tell more.

I live in park-like suburb now that has rules about what you can and cannot build, and for years i lived in an early planned community with similar rules, and they never bothered me. We just had rules from the town, not from any HOA, whatever that is. Please explain rather than posting in acronyms. Thanks.

What is annoying to me is neighbors with klieg lights. I am thinking of setting up a series of 8 foot insulation pads as temporary light blocks. I got this idea from CN.

Bill


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Jmax
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Loc: Alabama
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Achernar]
      #5953427 - 07/03/13 04:37 PM

Your part of Alabama is definitely not like my part. Sometimes people accidentally get on others' land while hunting, and most people around here would understand. Now if a person were asked nicely not to do it again, I'm sure they would respect that. If they didn't, I could see a possible call to the authorities. But I highly doubt a jury around here would send anyone to prison for hunting, even on someone else's property.

John


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Mike B
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: auriga]
      #5953429 - 07/03/13 04:38 PM

HOA = Home Owners' Association... this might be helpful to explain?

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AstroTatDad
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Mike B]
      #5954162 - 07/04/13 01:17 AM

Well it's been good so far guys, only thing that happened to night was: I setup my scope brought everything out, just set my light blockers up took a look through my EP then stepped back.. boom marine layer. Lol figures, I was going to drive out to our dark spot but got lazy now I wish I did.

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Mike B
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Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: AstroTatDad]
      #5954227 - 07/04/13 01:59 AM

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...boom marine layer




We get a lot of that here, too. May need to extend my light-blockers up a thousand feet or so... see if that helps.


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AstroTatDad
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Loc: Los Angeles - San Diego
Re: The battle with HOA has began. new [Re: Mike B]
      #5954267 - 07/04/13 02:35 AM

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...boom marine layer




We get a lot of that here, too. May need to extend my light-blockers up a thousand feet or so... see if that helps.





Hehe.

yeah we have been getting a lot of it this summer.
I will take pics of my blockers tomorrow, works great. It's kinda cool we have a small enclosed area out front with a 4 foot wall. Are front area is about 4 feet off the ground so makes it kinda private. It's kinda like a mini observatory,


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