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Jon Isaacs
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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5991747 - 07/26/13 06:07 PM

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I think at the under $100 price point, phase coating is not part of the expected package.

Jon




Jon,

$82.86 for this phase coated marvel.

http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Barska-WP-Huntmaster-Phase-Coated-8x42-B...

Stan




I have owned a pair of Barska's, not these. I am reluctant to purchase anything from a from vendor/manufacturer who is willing to put their name on poor quality stuff. Phase coating or not, I would go for the Eagle Optics.

But that's just me.

Jon


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5991759 - 07/26/13 06:15 PM

8X42 - $91.01 Phase Corrected, ED Glass, close focus and great warranty/customer service.

http://www.hayneedle.com/sale/8x42ed.cfm


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FrankKD
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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Stacy]
      #5992131 - 07/26/13 10:38 PM

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8X42 - $91.01 Phase Corrected, ED Glass, close focus and great warranty/customer service.

http://www.hayneedle.com/sale/8x42ed.cfm




Mine is due to arrive tomorrow. Will post when it gets here.


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Stacy
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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: FrankKD]
      #5992158 - 07/26/13 11:00 PM

Quote:

Quote:

8X42 - $91.01 Phase Corrected, ED Glass, close focus and great warranty/customer service.

http://www.hayneedle.com/sale/8x42ed.cfm




Mine is due to arrive tomorrow. Will post when it gets here.




Oh great! Mine are not scheduled until wed. Next week. I called today and they gave me a price adjustment, since I paid a bit more. The rep I talked to mentioned he has a pair from the Signature series that he likes very much. The Nova's are a short barrel design, so I'm quite curious about their performance. If the reviews are any indication, we should be in for a nice inexpensive treat.

I plan to do a head to head with my highly regarded Vanguard 8x42 Endeavor's.

I am looking forward to your initial impressions.

Stacy


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Stacy]
      #5992679 - 07/27/13 10:01 AM

Yes wow some of these Zhumell clearance prices seem pretty good.

Here's a Yosemite clone at 7x30 for $60 link also.

BTW supposedly none of the Zhumells are phase coated. So please test!


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: MrJones]
      #5992842 - 07/27/13 11:37 AM

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BTW supposedly none of the Zhumells are phase coated. So please test!




Interesting.. Where did you get this information and how does one test to see if a binocular has been phase coated?



Jon


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5992970 - 07/27/13 12:56 PM

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BTW supposedly none of the Zhumells are phase coated. So please test!




Interesting.. Where did you get this information and how does one test to see if a binocular has been phase coated?



Jon




Why not just fire off a quick email to Zhumell and get the answer directly from the horse's mouth.

http://www.zhumell.com/contact-us/

Stan


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5993043 - 07/27/13 01:31 PM

Phase correction is not the end all and be all of a good roof prism binocular, I have looked through non phase coated instruments and found them to perform better than those loudly exclaiming they are phase coated.
For example I own a Meade Rain Forest Pro 8x56 roof prism binocular bought NOS about 5 yrs ago, its made in Japan and its views are outstanding and that's what made me buy it after I took a casual look through it at my local optics store, however its not Phase coated, to me its not relevant, would it be even better with Phase coating?, maybe however the technology wasn,t available in its day.
My advise is try the binocular you are interested in if possible and if its what you like, get it, use it, don,t waste the hours procrastenating, "what if, what if". DA.


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5993127 - 07/27/13 02:31 PM

The Nova EDs are phase coated. The Short Barrel is not.


Thumbs up on the Zhumell Nova EDs.

Brief comments since I just received them today and am typing on my eye-phone.

-generous sweet spot

-good apparent sharpness

- good CA control

- eyecups are rounded so good face-bin interface

-plenty of eye relief and ocular lens surface is close to eyecup surface level

-no problem with floppy hinge tension

-compact for a 42 mm (see pic)

- excellent focusing tension

Cons

- a bit of a yellow green color bias compared to Sightrons and McKinleys.

-central diopter could be potentially easily bumped

- unusual flared ends around objectives

More to follow but for $91 these ED bins are certainly keepers


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5993133 - 07/27/13 02:34 PM

We know that there are varying levels of non-reflective coatings available (Mag. Fl. Coated, Ultra-Violet Coated, Multi-coated, Fully Multi-Coated...) and there is no doubt varying levels within each of these definitions that will show-up in the performance of a given binocular. Even though it's been used mostly in singular terms... i.e. Phase Coated or NOT Phase Coated... Could it be that there are varying performance levels of Phase Coatings as well?

If this is the case, then we should expect that the cheaper, (and probably) less effective methods will be used on cheaper binoculars, and the best methods would be used on the finest binoculars. This then furthers the line-of-thought that "you get what you pay for," which is more often (though not always) the case with any binocular purchase.


Any insight on this?


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: SMark]
      #5993180 - 07/27/13 03:25 PM

Your reasoning is sound. One thing to keep in mind though is the country of origin in relation to the cost of the instrument.

Case in point, the Meopta Meostar HD is manufactured in the Czech Republic. It's optical performance is comparable to similar models manufactured in Austria, Germany and Japan. Why are similar instruments then twice the cost? Labor rates seems like the likely answer. I have no doubt that the phase coating on the Meoptas is the equivalent of its competitors.

Having said that I am not suggesting that a $225 Chinese made roof has the same quality of phase coating as a $1000 or $2000 model. What I would say is that the performance difference is much closer than one would expect considering the difference in cost.

Edited by FrankKD (07/27/13 03:27 PM)


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5993425 - 07/27/13 06:22 PM

Dave,

http://www.opticstalk.com/phase-coating_topic1739.html

Stan


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5993445 - 07/27/13 06:43 PM

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Dave,

http://www.opticstalk.com/phase-coating_topic1739.html

Stan




Very interesting. Thanks Stan


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5993472 - 07/27/13 07:02 PM

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BTW supposedly none of the Zhumells are phase coated. So please test!




Interesting.. Where did you get this information and how does one test to see if a binocular has been phase coated?



Jon




Why not just fire off a quick email to Zhumell and get the answer directly from the horse's mouth.

http://www.zhumell.com/contact-us/

Stan




Stan:

I have seen enough errors on the Hayneedle website that I don't trust it. And I am not confident that someone at Hayneedle who answered by Email would actually understand my question and be qualified to answer it rather than just look up what the website said.

This is why I was interested in knowing both the source of the information as well as a test to see if a binocular was phase coated. My understanding of phase coating suggests that it would be a difficult test but the implication was that a test is possible.

A test would be interesting because I could test binoculars that I own.

Jon

Edited by Jon Isaacs (07/27/13 07:06 PM)


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5993479 - 07/27/13 07:08 PM

It says "phase coated" right on the focus knob. I also called and talked to someone in the optical department who confirmed they are "phase coated". I am guessing they are phase coated. Anyone who says differently really has no idea what they are talking about.

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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: Stacy]
      #5993488 - 07/27/13 07:19 PM

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- unusual flared ends around objectives




The description on the 10's says they feature a "slightly retro" design, which may account for the unusual flare on the objective end.


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Re: birding bino for < $100? [Re: Stacy]
      #5993904 - 07/27/13 11:32 PM

Here's an easy test to check for phase coating. You can use polarized sunglasses. link

And yes it certainly does say phase coated all over the ads and on the focus knob! I admit didn't know about this model until now - I was thinking about the short barrel and others from when that one came out.


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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: MrJones]
      #5994044 - 07/28/13 02:02 AM

Interesting that the Nova's are Zhumell's newest bino offering, their only ED choice, and as far as I can tell, their only phase corrected model, yet they are on clearance. When I asked about that, I didn't get a conclusive answer. Maybe they are just trying to get some out in the field? IDK

He did say they are selling very well and have about 70 pair left.

Stacy


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Jon Isaacs
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Re: birding bino for < $100? new [Re: MrJones]
      #5994174 - 07/28/13 05:44 AM

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Here's an easy test to check for phase coating. You can use polarized sunglasses.




Thanks for the link. I should be able to do that test with the variable polarizers from a variable moon filter.

Jon


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Re: birding bino for < $100? [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5994736 - 07/28/13 01:18 PM

Nikon ACULON 7x35 for $56.95. I've never used these but < $100.

Nikon ACULON


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