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semmyboy
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Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds
      #6032859 - 08/18/13 01:18 PM Attachment (59 downloads)

Hello,
i completed a full week of photos of Venus from 2013/08/11 to 2013/08/17 with the new Astrodon UV filter. This is a picture that shows the entire sequence and below a video of the changes recorded in the clouds ( (I have to improve it ...)
I hope you enjoy it.

See you soon

Meade LX200 16" ACF - Magzero I Nova Pla MX - Astrodon UV filter

Stefano

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4dwvCm1YzI


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rolo
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6033228 - 08/18/13 05:10 PM

Nice series of images, good job!

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semmyboy
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: rolo]
      #6033889 - 08/19/13 01:40 AM

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Nice series of images, good job!




Thanks Rolo


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sfugardi
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6034164 - 08/19/13 09:02 AM

Stefano, excellent image set and animation! Venus is a tough target since it always appears unsteady. I tried last Friday evening and I'm not sure how much is from the scope not being thermally stable or the atmosphere. I'm going to try pre-cooling my dome before imaging Venus the next time. Also, maybe add a white sheet to keep the excess heat off the OTA. My smallest barlow yields f22 and ideally I'd like to be at f16. Do you prepare the scope in any special way before imaging Venus? Thanks for posting

Regards,
Steve


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: sfugardi]
      #6034203 - 08/19/13 09:33 AM

Thanks Steve,
after many attempts I realized that taking pictures during the day with the sun still high is useless though some say the opposite. Even if the planet is more 'high daylight absorbs the UV! I wait for the sun to set so 'the telescope, which is located in the basement, maintains a temperature more' lower than outside when I take him out and the turbulence is low.
In addition, IR have never been able to resume details. These in my opinion are seen well only in UV. The Astrodon filter is slightly better than the old Baader (slightly!). With both already in recovery i see the central area or arms laterlai more 'dark.
I work with Celestron Ultima Barlow lens Apo 2x, then at about 8-9 meters focal length. If you do not use the barlow the planet is much more 'small and the details dilapidated and poorly defined....
Stefano


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6034304 - 08/19/13 10:45 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

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after many attempts I realized that taking pictures during the day with the sun still high is useless though some say the opposite. Even if the planet is more 'high daylight absorbs the UV!



Not in my experience ... daylight does reduce contrast in the UV so you have to record with very low gamma. In my experience so long as Venus is above about 35 degrees altitude and the Sun is lower, you stand a chance of getting some sort of image. This apparition is impossible for me, at this latitude the Sun is always higher until Venus is practically on the horizon ... but I did get some reasonable results with a lot less aperture than you during the last evening apparition.


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semmyboy
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: brianb11213]
      #6034387 - 08/19/13 11:36 AM

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Quote:

after many attempts I realized that taking pictures during the day with the sun still high is useless though some say the opposite. Even if the planet is more 'high daylight absorbs the UV!



Not in my experience ... daylight does reduce contrast in the UV so you have to record with very low gamma. In my experience so long as Venus is above about 35 degrees altitude and the Sun is lower, you stand a chance of getting some sort of image. This apparition is impossible for me, at this latitude the Sun is always higher until Venus is practically on the horizon ... but I did get some reasonable results with a lot less aperture than you during the last evening apparition.



Hello,
i read this in a book and I have done several tests. Venus sets almost 2 hours after the sun and if I take half an hour after sunset, with Venus about 20 degrees I get the best results. west from me and 'very clear almost to the horizon. but as you say, I have not tried lowering the range. I feel.


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sfugardi
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6035537 - 08/19/13 10:46 PM

Stefano, Brian, thanks for the feedback. For my last Venus attempt, I set the gamma to the usual 0.5 and cranked the gain down to nothing. Next time, I'll switch them and see what happens. I may have a decent shot tomorrow evening

Regards,
Steve


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: sfugardi]
      #6035867 - 08/20/13 05:51 AM

Hello Steve,
Test if you can gain a maximum and adu 50%


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: sfugardi]
      #6035923 - 08/20/13 07:11 AM

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Stefano, Brian, thanks for the feedback. For my last Venus attempt, I set the gamma to the usual 0.5 and cranked the gain down to nothing. Next time, I'll switch them and see what happens.



Hmmm, I found it necessary to increase the gain to maximum because the UV image is rather dim at f/28 ... shoot 10,000 frames & stack about 10% ... Venus rotates so slowly that it doesn't matter if the movie capture takes a long time. My shooting gamma is around 0.4.


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: brianb11213]
      #6036960 - 08/20/13 05:27 PM Attachment (4 downloads)

New video animation and another IR G UV image.

http://youtu.be/wqpKbmICyZo


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6037263 - 08/20/13 08:28 PM

The good seeing afforded when Venus is very high in the sky always trumps better contrast when the Sun is set in my experience:
http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/Venus-by-Sean_3-20-2012.jpg
http://www.masil-astro-imaging.com/SWI/UV%20montage%20flat.jpg


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semmyboy
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: swalker]
      #6037651 - 08/21/13 02:17 AM

Great shot Sean.
But the next day something changes during the filming? example, contrast or gamma? or do you have a trick processing? I picked up so many times on the same day with the sun high and at night, and those at night are much more 'obvious. But maybe something wrong in the works for those with the sun high.
Stefano


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6037953 - 08/21/13 09:38 AM

Not sure I understand your question.
UV transmission is greatly affected by humidity and transparency. I simply set my gain so that the histogram peaks at roughly 60% in ICCapture when recording these images. Only once in 2007 did I have a 4-day run where conditions were consistent, allowing be to create a map of the clouds in UV that is today included in WinJUPOS.
The second image I linked is every UV image I took throughout a 5.5 month period in the evening apparition of 2007.


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: swalker]
      #6038109 - 08/21/13 10:58 AM

Sean,
i noticed that during the day the image on the monitor during the video and 'more' light. This, however, 'both to Venus and to the sky. You only adjust exposure and gain or even the range gamma and contrast in IccCapture?
Stefano


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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: semmyboy]
      #6038370 - 08/21/13 01:30 PM

no, I don't mess with the camera's gamma to boost contrast, because it leads to the dreaded "onion ring" kind of artifact. I simply allow the background to be bright, and use curves in Photoshop to suppress it afterwards. The image I posted captured on 3/20/2012 was recorded when the Sun was about 20 degrees up, while Venus was 61 degrees high.


Edited by swalker (08/21/13 01:40 PM)


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semmyboy
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Re: Venus-animated sequence of changes in the clouds new [Re: swalker]
      #6038402 - 08/21/13 01:52 PM

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no, I don't mess with the camera's gamma to boost contrast, because it leads to the dreaded "onion ring" kind of artifact. I simply allow the background to be bright, and use curves in Photoshop to suppress it afterwards. The image I posted captured on 3/20/2012 was recorded when the Sun was about 20 degrees up, while Venus was 61 degrees high.





ok
As soon as i get home from the sea, for the weekend, i want to repeat on Venus as you say.
Thanks


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