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Susan H
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Edge HD 8" EP recommendations
      #6036764 - 08/20/13 03:35 PM

The Edge HD will come with a 40 mm EP, and I have a Nagler 7mm Nagler. Plus I do have a 2x Barlow as well. I'd like to have one more EP for now. I would like good eye relief too. I'm open to suggestions. Thanks.

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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6036789 - 08/20/13 03:48 PM

Hi Susan,

I'd get something 'around' 20mm with 20mm eye relief. It all depends on what you have to spend. Maybe a 22mm Vixen LVW?
-Chuck


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loudupe
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: JustaBoy]
      #6036933 - 08/20/13 05:08 PM

Hi Susan,

I was getting ready to ask this very same question so I hope you don't mind if I jump into this thread alongside you. I also have an 8" EdgeHD and it seems to me that most EP questions are tendered with Dob's or refractor's in mind so I was glad to see your post.

It was recently recommended to me that for DSO's (nebulae in particular), I should be using something along the line of a 55mm TV Plossl. But it's interesting to note that I've seen no other mention of the TV 55 Plossl for DSO viewing in this forum.

Anyone?


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: loudupe]
      #6036944 - 08/20/13 05:18 PM

you will not use the 7t6 that often, depending on your seeing conditions.

with my c8, i lke to use 24mm, 20mm, 12-14mm and 10mm EPs.

to answer your question we need to know your budget


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Susan H
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: coutleef]
      #6036991 - 08/20/13 05:44 PM

Loudupe please tag along. My budget is around $200.

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loudupe
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6037038 - 08/20/13 06:06 PM

Thank you, Susan!

Since I am a newbie to all of this, shortly after I got my scope, I picked up a few Celestron X-Cell LX EP's to play around with. I just wanted to see the differences in magnification so I bought a 9mm, 18mm (because I have no Barlow), and 25mm. All three for $190 from B&H Photo.

They seem to work ok for me from my red/orange zone backyard. But what do I know!?

Lou


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: loudupe]
      #6037094 - 08/20/13 06:37 PM

I sold my 6mm Radian when I got my Edge 11. At 466x there was no way I was going to be able to use it any more. I now have an 11mm Nagler now that's around 250x and its plenty. I also have a 20mm ES100 which I really love.

As far as a good, all around, EP... take a look at the 14mm ES100. Its a great EP and not very expensive, about $300. It'll give you 140x and 0.69-degrees. About what my 20mm gives me.

Your 7mm Nagler will be 290x and 0.28-degrees. Not unreasonable, but you won't be using it often. You could sell it and pick up the 14mm ES100. You will need a 2" diagonal to use it though. I don't think the Edge 8 comes with one.

Alternatively you could sell the 7mm and get a 13mm or 16mm Nagler which are also 1 1/4" EPs and would still be more useful than the 7mm.



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Susan H
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: WesC]
      #6037225 - 08/20/13 07:53 PM

Since I'm still a relative newbie at this please answer a question. Why is the 7mm Nagler not so good with the new scope I'm getting? Will it make the objects I seek fuzzy, distorted, out of focus? I realize humidity, wind, light pollution all play a role in this selection, I just don't understand how. I appreciate y'all's help. I think I'd like to keep it because we plan on going to some dark skies for some serious observing in the spring.

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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6037255 - 08/20/13 08:20 PM

At the power you will be reachinf with a 7mm you will need good seing conditions which may be rare or else the image will not be sharp.

I use the 7 on the moon mainly or planets.

I would rather have a 13 or 14 mm Ep, more versatile.

At these prices look for ES eps


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6037265 - 08/20/13 08:29 PM

Ultimately it comes down to your "seeing" conditions, ie how steady your air is. On planets with my CPC800 I rarely get to go over 160x unless the air is very steady then I can use my 11mm. My 8.8mm holds a place for things like alignment and a few other things or the rare air.
In my 8" I use my 34mm 68*, 24mm 82*, 14mm 82* most it seems.

Edited by troutinco (08/20/13 08:30 PM)


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Rand Barthel
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: troutinco]
      #6037461 - 08/20/13 11:03 PM

I'm going to jump into this forum also because I just had the folks over at Cats & Casses ratify my choice of an 8" EdgeHD to be purchased around Tax Time next year. My current scope is a 40-year-old Criterion RV6 6" f/8 Newtonian (1200mm FL).

I hung out on the Eyepieces forums for awhile a few months ago when I was debating catadioptric vs. bigger, shorter-focus Dob. The good news I heard then is that the f/10 optical train of an SCT or Edge scope is more forgiving than most when it comes to eyepieces. I also came to the tentative conclusion that the Explore Scientific eyepieces represent generally good value for money and are a step up from the Celestron plossls I am using with my RV6. I picked 4 ES eyepieces to trick out my 8" Edge:

1. 6.7mm 82-degree gives about 300x for those rare really clear nights when you can crank up the power on the planets. Eye relief 14mm; True FOV 0.26 degrees; cost new $100

2. 11mm 82d-degree gives 185x to serve as a "high power eyepiece" in more typical rural Massachusetts seeing conditions. Eye relief 15.6mm; True FOV 0.44 degrees; cost new $150

3. 16mm 68-degree gives 127x to serve as a "medium power eyepiece". Eye relief 11.9mm; True FOV 0.54 degrees; cost new $120

4. 24mm 68-degree gives 85x to serve as a low power eyepiece. Eye relief 18.4mm; True FOV 0.80 degrees; cost $160

Total Eyepiece budget new: $530 plus tax & shipping

This line-up does not have a "really" low-power eyepiece (I use a 32mm Plossl with my RV6, which gives 37.5x). But the main reason I use such low powers with the RV6 is that it's a non-go-to, no-slow-motion-controls German equatorial mount, and I have to steer it by grabbing the end of the tube. I need the really low power (with the modest AFOV of a Plossl) to get a wide enough true field of view to find targets. I see that as less important with a go-to scope like the 8" Edge, where I would rather have higher power with a wider apparent field of view.

And of course the scope comes with a 40mm Plossl which gives 51x.

I'm open to anyone's suggestions on how to improve this line-up without spending gobs more money.


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6037542 - 08/21/13 12:35 AM

Quote:

I would like good eye relief too.




Having mentioned good ER as a requirement, the ES eyepieces will have to take a back seat, although they are very good value EP's. And with a budget cap of $200, that rules out the Delos ($310 on sale) or Vixen LVW ($269) which both have good ER's. One of the more popular choices for the C8 (I have this scope too) which is on the budget with good ER (20mm) would be the Baader Hyperions ($139); they have a relatively wide field too of 68-deg. I have the 21mm and it works very well with my C8. But there's more, the Hyperions are "modular" i.e., one can purchase fine tuning rings (14mm & 28mm) that allow them to be converted into shorter focal length EP's for higher magnification without buying a new EP. In the case of the Hyperion 21mm, these rings convert the 21mm into 17.6mm, 15.4mm, and 14mm additional focal lengths. (Did a blog post about the tuning rings, click here) The same can be done with the Hyperion 17mm and 13mm which would be good choices for the C8 too.


Hyperion 21mm & Delos 6mm

Best,


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: ibase]
      #6037744 - 08/21/13 05:56 AM

I have an Edge 8" with a AVX mount, got it this June. But before it arrived, I was already shopping for EP's. Live and learn I guess.

But besides the 40mm Plossel that comes with the Edge 8", I went ahead and got me a WO binoviewer set with twin 20mm EP's. I also got from Orion, a set of Flat Edge Planetary EP's in the 3mm, 6mm and 12.6mm. I've since found that the 3mm doesn't work so well, but it may just be my red/orange zone that keeps me from getting a good focus.

I also got a Celestron 2 inch XLT diagonal which I use instead of the 1.25 diagonal. Then I can use my 2 inch EP's and my 2 inch 2X barlow.

My 2 inch EP's are the Orion Q70 set and I really like these.

One more addition to the EP collection was my 1.25 lighted reticle which helps me immensely with my alignment.

Lastly, to store all of this glass treasure, I got the large Orion pluck foam case. It holds everything mentioned here and a few more things as well...like my maps, planesphere, and laser pointer.


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: seawolfe]
      #6037757 - 08/21/13 06:17 AM

With your budget and setup, I would look for a good used Baader Hyperion Mark III zoom. Unfortunately, I just sold mine not too long ago, but this ep will get you all the focal lengths between 8 - 24mm. Second choice would definitely be the 13mm Baader hyperion (good for planets, although the 10mm should be good in Texas seeing), and third, a 17mm Baader hyperion (this will nicely frame the entire moon and some open clusters).
Happy hunting.


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: ibase]
      #6037771 - 08/21/13 06:40 AM

I have the 8" EdgeHD. I started out with the 10 and 13mm Hyperions and a 19mm Panoptic. I was very happy with the choice, although doing it again I would have opted for a 24mm Panoptic instead.

It may be possible for you to find a 24mm pan in the $200 range second hand, and if you do, together with your barlow, you would cover the (to me anyway) most important focal lengths (12-14mm and 20-25mm) with this one, very good, eyepiece. This would be my main recommendation.

I have had the scope for two years now, and have moved on from the Hyperions. My most used eyepiece now is the 13mm Ethos, which is fantastic in this scope. It is also extremely comfortable to use, despite its only 15mm rated eye relief, it feels just as easy as my Delos 10mm with 20mm rated eye relief.

My second most used fl eyepiece is one of my several eyepieces in the 20-25mm range, usually a 21mm Ethos, 24mm pan or a Zeiss 25mm ortho type eyepiece I like.

For planetary I use either orthos in the 8-18mm range, a binoviewer or occasionally the 10mm Delos or 8mm LVW. These two are also very good with globular clusters. I have never had a seeing situation where I have found higher magnifications than what I get with an 8mm eyepiece to provide for a better, sharper or more contrasty image. So 8mm (around 260x) is pretty much the most magnification I ever use.

I have a 35mm Panoptic I use for low magnifications, and sometimes a 48mm Brandon. The included 40mm however I never use, I find the comfort, presentation and image to less than mediocre, and have literally only used it twice, despite it being my only low mag eye piece the first 6 months I had the scope. It just wasn't worth it. The 24mm pan would provide the same field of view, at higher magnification with much sharper and nicer image, and blacker sky background as well (this is especially nice if you have light pollution where you generally observe).

The 24mm explore scientific 68 degree comes well recommended by many here on cloudy nights as a good alternative to the 24mm Panoptic. I have however heard that the waiting time may be very long for this eyepiece, as I believe it is currently out of stock everywhere, and there are many threads here about long waiting times for ES eyepieces.

Sorry for the long ramble, in conclusion, I recommend a second hand 24mm Panoptic!


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6038016 - 08/21/13 10:16 AM

I have 3 eyepeices that I use 95% of the time with the Edge HD 8" (when I monoview, but these days I do almost all binoviewing).

The 31mm Nagler. Magnificent in the EdgeHD 8". The view is as sharp to the edge as in my 6" APO and brighter to boot.

20mm T5 Nagler. Again, views equal to my 6" APO right tot he field stop. Again, a view that I enjoy more than my 6" APO used with the same size true field.

In fact, the 20mm T5 is was my most used eyepiece in the EdgeHD 8" before I went to binoviewing.

It is important to remember that the EdgeHD has a longer focal lenght than the standard C8, and when used with a 2" diagonal, the actual focal lenght is more like 2300mm, so the magnificaiton of the 20mm Nagler is more like 115x.

This is a great DSO exit pupil and is useful for all kinds of medium and small clusters.

The last eyepeice I use is the 12mm T4 Nagler. This is one of the most immersive eyepieces I have ever used. The eye relief and placement make it comfortable and the field is very expansive.

Again, I don't monoview much anymore, but I used these three eyepeices almost exclusivelly in the EdgeHD 8 and still have them.

My advice. Don't be to granular with your magnifications.

I see this as a common "Mistake." People tend to get too many small steps and sometimes duplicate true field sizes.

I advise that you buy far fewer but excellent quality eyepeices than waste a lot of money on more eyepieces that you won't use (or will wind up swapping a lot).

The ES 82mm eyepieces are reported to be excellent as well (I own several 68 degree versions, and I find them to be excellent) so this is a great alternative.


The EdgeHD 8" is one of those scopes that rewards your investment. With many reflectors, you can spend as much as you have on eyepeices and not get a sharp view across the field. With the EdgeHD 8" though, your investment is rewarded with APO quality field sharpness right to the field stop of excellent quality eyepeices.


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Rand Barthel
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Eddgie]
      #6038447 - 08/21/13 02:24 PM

I think a lot of people wind up having a lot of eyepieces because they have to figure out what's best for their scope, eyes, etc. by trial and error. Then there are folks with multiple scopes, often of different kinds and calling for different eyewear.

I'm going to fiddle around with my eyepiece lineup (I have months in any case), and see what a smaller-number-higher-quality lineup might look like. I also neglected to consider barlow lenses as a way to add magnification options, probably because in my early experience, barlows were optical junk that reduced the quality of the view. Maybe I could do with two carefully chosen TeleVue or Pentax eyepieces and a good barlow to fill out the options.


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Eddgie]
      #6039008 - 08/21/13 07:24 PM

All,

Thank you very much for the input. This is exactly what I had been missing; scope-specific EP information. Ha! I'm eating this up! I had no idea a 2" Diag would increase my scope's fL!

Lou


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Susan H
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: loudupe]
      #6039019 - 08/21/13 07:30 PM

I ended up with a Celestron X-Cel 12 mm...for now to go with my new scope. I'm sure there will be more...many more.

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loudupe
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6039055 - 08/21/13 07:56 PM

Susan,

From one newbie to another, I think that was a good choice. The LX's are cheap enough to play around/experiment/learn with. As our experience grows, so too can the cost of our EP's.

Also, as one other has previously mentioned, I found an illuminated reticle EP helps me with my star alignment. That, and a polar finder scope has really enabled me to get GoTo and tracking down to pretty darn good accuracy. Maybe I'll now take up astrophotography!

Lou


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: seawolfe]
      #6039074 - 08/21/13 08:13 PM

I think the 3mm won't work well because it gives a mag. of 666X in a 2000mm F/L telescope, try backing off to about a 9-10mm ep. if your viewing Jupiter wait until almost sunrise when its at its highest, you might be able to use these with planetary nebs. with pleasing results.

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Susan H
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: loudupe]
      #6039129 - 08/21/13 08:45 PM

Good for you, Lou. Be sure and post your photos on here! I might consider a polar alignment scope too. I was able to do those with my last scope.

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Susan H
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: T1R2]
      #6039141 - 08/21/13 08:52 PM

Hi T1R2, my 7mm Nagler is as low as I will go. Anything any lower than that just won't work. The guys that sold me my scope said the 12mm I bought and the 40mm that came with my scope will work good for now and with the 2x Barlow that I also have. I'm sure I'm going to be doing some serious upgrading later on.

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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6039493 - 08/22/13 01:57 AM

Sorry Susan, I was referring to seawolfe

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Susan H
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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: T1R2]
      #6039597 - 08/22/13 05:11 AM

Not a problem T1R2.

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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Ava]
      #6039665 - 08/22/13 07:23 AM

My advice. Don't be to granular with your magnifications.

I see this as a common "Mistake." People tend to get too many small steps and sometimes duplicate true field sizes.

I advise that you buy far fewer but excellent quality eyepeices than waste a lot of money on more eyepieces that you won't use (or will wind up swapping a lot).

The ES 82mm eyepieces are reported to be excellent as well (I own several 68 degree versions, and I find them to be excellent) so this is a great alternative.




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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Susan H]
      #6040126 - 08/22/13 01:13 PM

These and the Meade version are good lower cost alternative fpr higher power for moon and planets where you don't need the super wide angel views, they are 60* FOV and have long eye-relief.

Just an FYI, I just posted a X-Cel LX 9mm for sale. It was about as high a power I could use in my LS-8 at 240x, but where I live the skies rarely let me use it, so selling it. For now I stop at 11mm for 180x on good nights.

My most used EP range is around 20mm as you get a 2mm exit pupil.

Have fun with your new scope!

Bob


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: WesC]
      #6040478 - 08/22/13 05:09 PM

Quote:

I sold my 6mm Radian when I got my Edge 11. At 466x there was no way I was going to be able to use it any more. I now have an 11mm Nagler now that's around 250x and its plenty. I also have a 20mm ES100 which I really love.

As far as a good, all around, EP... take a look at the 14mm ES100. Its a great EP and not very expensive, about $300. It'll give you 140x and 0.69-degrees. About what my 20mm gives me.






Is anyone using an ES100 20mm in the C8 Edge? Loved the eyepiece but I sold it when I sold my 10" dob. I remember it vignetting badly in the C8. The ES100 14mm worked well, but I also sold it and went with a set of narrower FOV eyepieces. I was on some nerve meds at the time and rolling my eye around wasn't good. Maybe it was just me.

I'm using the ES68 34mm, 20mm, and 16mm mainly. I occasionally use the ES82 14mm and have an ES82 11mm as my highest mag. ES82 6.7mm is too much in my skies.


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: kwjohnson]
      #6041223 - 08/23/13 04:18 AM

I use a 21mm Ethos with no vignetting issues. I see no reason why the 20mm ES100 should vignette but I have not tried it.

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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Ava]
      #6041255 - 08/23/13 05:30 AM

Perhaps the vignetting issues were associated with the (unreported) use of a focal reducer.

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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: T1R2]
      #6041260 - 08/23/13 05:40 AM

Quote:

I think the 3mm won't work well because it gives a mag. of 666X in a 2000mm F/L telescope, try backing off to about a 9-10mm ep. if your viewing Jupiter wait until almost sunrise when its at its highest, you might be able to use these with planetary nebs. with pleasing results.




Thanks, T1R2 for the explanation.

As I said, I was a total newbie when I bought this scope. While I was getting purchase fever, I got the scope ordered and then went on a shopping spree at Orion. Nothing wrong with their products, but I didn't do the math correctly with the magnification factor before I bought the 3mm.

So, I have one eyepiece that doesn't work all that well for me. I'm sure others have made the same mistake.

But all of the others give me great views

As for Jupiter, well.... I'll have to wait until the almost continuous cloudy weekends have finished to get a view of that planet. As I work nights to noon, I don't get to see dawn much.


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Re: Edge HD 8" EP recommendations new [Re: Lamb0]
      #6042699 - 08/23/13 11:28 PM

Quote:

Perhaps the vignetting issues were associated with the (unreported) use of a focal reducer.




Hi--no focal reducer. Baader 2" Clicklock visual back with GSO diagonal.

Like I said, could have been the meds. I could hardly walk without hanging on to walls.

Kevin


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