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Robert Ellis
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Has anyone had any interest in these or used a pair yet?
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Nikon Action 7x35
Nikon EII 8x30
Nikon EII 10x35
Nikon Monarch 10x36
Swift Audubon 804 8.5x44
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HfxObserver
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Hmm, IF oculars in such a small bino, not many of those around, I wonder what the cost is?
Wish I'd seen a pair earlier his year, probably easier to get then the Vixen 7X50's I picked up.
3.5lbs, so they are in the tripod mounted for Astro Use category, same as the Fuji.
BTW I really like the Williams gear, scopes and diagonals I've used so far and the company is great to deal with, once on a weekend I wrote them with a problem and William replied within an hour or so!
-Chris
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Robert Ellis
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They sell them on their "shopping" section for $299.
-------------------- Leupold Yosemite 6x30
Nikon Action 7x35
Nikon EII 8x30
Nikon EII 10x35
Nikon Monarch 10x36
Swift Audubon 804 8.5x44
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brocknroller
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If "seeing is believing", this could be one of the best bargains in binoculars if the optics are on par with the quality of their scopes and their bins are not outsourced like other telescope companies. The build quality looks similar to Fujinon, and ED glass bins usually cost about $100 more than than the non-ED model. The price is on par with the other ED bin bargains such as Celestron 9.5X44 ED bins that Eagle Optics sold under their label and the 820 Swift Audubon ED. However, neither of those have the mil spec build quality of a Fuji.
WO lists FedEx ground shipping as $14.05, but the shipping goes up sharply from there to $26 for 3-day ground to $90 for overnight AM service. Not sure where they are shipping from, if this is their USA warehouse or one of their distributors (a google search found no stores carrying this binocular in the US, only one in the UK, which is sellng it for $325).
With my 5mm dark adapted pupils and moderately light polluted skies, I'm not likely to get more than 35mm aperture out of a 7x50, and the views will likely be more washed out than a 7x35 bin. I'm going to write Perhaps Mr. Yang has plans to market a 10x50 ED.
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Mark9473
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so guys, what do you think the benefit is of having ED glass in a 7x binocular?
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Robert Ellis
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Bragging rights and better color on the moon. Binoculars have fast optics and it shows on very bright objects as false color.
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Nikon Action 7x35
Nikon EII 8x30
Nikon EII 10x35
Nikon Monarch 10x36
Swift Audubon 804 8.5x44
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ngc6475
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I have also seen complaints by birders that the fringe of false color evident on high contrast objects is distracting and adversely affects the image. Some binoculars are definitely better than others in this regard.
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Robert Ellis
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Yup, I started out as a brider and still spend most of my viewing looking for birds. One of the things that separates many $500 bins from $1500 bins is control of CA.
-------------------- Leupold Yosemite 6x30
Nikon Action 7x35
Nikon EII 8x30
Nikon EII 10x35
Nikon Monarch 10x36
Swift Audubon 804 8.5x44
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brocknroller
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Quote:
so guys, what do you think the benefit is of having ED glass in a 7x binocular?
I have Celestron 10x50 ED binoculars. It's true that CA is difficult to control completely in "fast" refractors ~ f/4 (which is what you have two of in most binoculars) using ED and other exotic glasses. Even some Zeiss FL owners have even found some CA. The 10x50 ED is slightly better at controlling CA than my other binoculars, even 8x and 7X FMC, but in extreme contrast situations (birds against clouds), a very small amount of CA can be seen on-axis, with a fair amount off-axis.
The main benefits of ED glass bins are increased color saturation and a bit more resolution compared to a comparable non-ED bin (e.g., Celestron 10x50 Ultima or Vixen 10x50 Geoma). The 10x50 EDs are only slightly behind the 10x42 SE in resolution, and those are the reference standard for 10x porro binoculars. Comparing each bin side by side, the ED is noticeably brighter (and though 42mm, the SEs have been compared to 50mm bins in brightness), and the colors are more vibrant and reveal subtle gradiations not seen in the SEs. As the CN member who did the RAF chart testing said, "it's as if the images in the SEs are washed out." Of course, the SEs deliver very nice neutral color views, only a side by side comparison can you see the difference the ED glass makes.
The ED glass makes little difference if any on globs and nebulae, which are a whitish-blue in binocualrs and can' t be resolved to a fine focus, but you can see the difference in the color of stars, and with a 7x50, you'll be looking mostly at stars.
ED glass is more important to birders since the increased color saturation can reveal subtle field markings on birds. For example, the 10x50 ED shows subtle markings on the head and throat of male Cardinals that are difficult to see with a 10x42 SE.
If you've ever used Fuji color film to take photos of fall foilage, and noitced how much more vibrant the colors look than other color film, that's the difference, the colors "jump out at you".
My main interest in the 7x50 EDs are for birding since my skies are too light polluted for a 7x50 binocular. The IF does not present much of a problem for feeder birding and the WP is a plus. If they focus like the 6x30 FMT-SX, everything beyond close focus is in focus, so they might be good for wildlife observation, though limited for birding.
7X is a bit low for distance observing. For wildlife observation, the new Minox BD 9.5 x 42 IF Magnum Binoculars with one touch focusing might be a better choice. http://www.buytelescopes.com/product.asp?pid=9476
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moynihan
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If you've ever used Fuji color film to take photos of fall foilage, and noitced how much more vibrant the colors look than other color film, that's the difference, the colors "jump out at you".
Good way to put it. Two binos i have are the same model, except one is ED. Have compared both, on daylight and night stuff. at 8.5x44, not much difference at night, since you would not probably use such magnification for moon or planets. Daylight is a different story.
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Mark9473
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thanks Brock, you had me sold right until you mentioned Fuji film - never liked Fuji film much. But seriously, the colour saturation argument is a good one.
-------------------- Mark
Leica 8x20; Vixen 8x42; Swift 8.5x44, 10x50 and 20x80; TS 7x50; Orion 15x63
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ngc6475
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I've often wondered why ED glass is not universally used for mid- to high-end binoculars. It can't be that cost is the deciding factor, because it couldn't possibly add a prohibitively high premium on an already expensive pair of binoculars. I therefore think there must be another explanation, and I would like to read more on this subject.
By the way, those WO binos look dandy...I wonder if they're any good?
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Edited by ngc6475 (09/20/05 12:01 AM)
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Not only is ED glass expensive to make, it is more difficult to work.
On top of that, ED glass in itself may provide no better color correction than a standard achromat. It requires alternative mating glass to perform better.
So a number of non-standard issues crepe into the equation when ED glass is used. The manufacturer not only has a slightly more expensive glass to incorporate into his instrument, but also to get the desired performace characteristics from the ED glass it must be mated properly with a second element to get that better image with less color. If done properly, it may give a better image even with small aperture.
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ngc6475
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Thanks Ed! You're right, no doubt. I guess I was thinking that increased material and production costs represent minor obstacles when considering the extent to which a manufacturer will try to appeal to a consumer...and in this case, a very well-heeled customer...particularly when premium binoculars routinely go for well over $1000.00. I wonder, in addition to the fine points you raised in your post, if its because the use of an ED doublet may not achieve consistently positive results in the type of optical system generally used for binoculars? Of course, I'm trotting out my ignorance of binocular optics for public display, but this question has been on my mind as I see the subject of CA in binos frequently come up. You may have answered my question, however. Thanks again!
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A recent circle of discussion led back to this thread and in the meantime I had written a review of the William Optic 7x50 ED.
One question above may be answered in that review and that is, Why use ED glass in a small aperture binoculr? is it worth it?
So here is a link to that review.
William Optics 7x50 ED binocular minireview
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