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Sky Safari 4
      #6062612 - 09/04/13 12:50 PM

I am anxiously awaiting the release of SS4 due out any day now. I thought it would be good to have a place to consolidate all reviews, questions and comments about the release hence this post.

One of my questions is how have the major releases been handled in the past? I just purchased Pro a month or so ago and would expect it to be a either free or reduced price being so recent of a purchase.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #6062762 - 09/04/13 02:05 PM

Really? I thougth SS4 was next year sometime

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: obrazell]
      #6063315 - 09/04/13 08:07 PM

SS4 is scheduled to come out around the end of the year or early next year. Nothing imminent.

We have not made any firm decisions on how we will handle upgrades.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6063584 - 09/04/13 11:43 PM

how is it looking to run with iOS7? will it get along? i ask because if there are potential issues, i would rather keep my iPad 2 running iOS6 where it works fine.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: helpwanted]
      #6063846 - 09/05/13 06:44 AM

Sorry Bill, I thought I remember reading in Yahoo Groups that you were releasing a new version soon after Tim returns in early Sept. Maybe not SS4?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #6063967 - 09/05/13 09:07 AM

We are releasing a new Android version today to address a couple of issues. That's what you remember reading.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: helpwanted]
      #6063988 - 09/05/13 09:18 AM

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how is it looking to run with iOS7? will it get along? i ask because if there are potential issues, i would rather keep my iPad 2 running iOS6 where it works fine.



There are two known problems with SS3 on iOS 7. First, the toolbar buttons lose the text under them and you have only the icons. Second, the popup alerts are bright white in Night Vision mode. We have a fix for the first and are waiting for the next iOS beta to see if the alerts revert back to the old style. We will be releasing a new SS3 soon after iOS 7 comes out to fix these problems.

IOS 7 is requiring extensive rework of SS4's UI so it will fit in well to the new look and feel. I've spent the better part of the last 2 weeks making UI changes. SS4 will *require* iOS 7. It is just too hard to design it to be back-compatible with older versions of iOS.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6064248 - 09/05/13 11:32 AM

Hi Bill,

I hope you don't mind me asking a question. Will there be a version for android that will run on a external SD card instead of internal memory?

Kind Regards.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: GlenM]
      #6064870 - 09/05/13 05:22 PM

Glen,

There may happen eventually. Hopefully it will make it into the initial release of SS4. Note that only the data could be moved to the external SD card. There is also a good chance that the app will run noticeably slower after doing so. Most removable SD media is slower than internal.

Bill


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6064931 - 09/05/13 05:53 PM

Thanks for the info,Bill.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: GlenM]
      #6067342 - 09/07/13 07:55 AM

Bill,

Any plans for a Windows release in the future?


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ilovecomets]
      #6067427 - 09/07/13 09:24 AM

No, there are no current plans for a Windows version.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6068957 - 09/08/13 06:38 AM

Bill,

I have a first gen ipad running SS3. When you release SS4, will you keep SS3 available in the app store? I don't want to accidentally overwrite my current app and then not have a version that runs on my hardware. What will users of iOS 6 or earlier have to do to prevent losing SS3?


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: karstenkoch]
      #6069093 - 09/08/13 09:17 AM

Yes, I think the current plan is to keep SkySafari 3 on the App Store as well.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6069477 - 09/08/13 01:04 PM

You can always download the app from the cloud once purchased.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6070713 - 09/09/13 05:43 AM

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Yes, I think the current plan is to keep SkySafari 3 on the App Store as well.




Bill:

Any plans to build in a credit card reader into SkySafari 4? It seems to have everything else...



Jon


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: pjglad]
      #6071212 - 09/09/13 12:17 PM

Piglad, can you explain that more? That would only work if someone had parked a copy of their app in the cloud, right?

As to the App Store, old versions of apps are often, if not typically, removed, so they can no longer be downloaded again.

That's why it's a really smart idea to save a backup of your iTunes folder (or, more precisely e Mobile Applications folder), especially before a major set of app upgrades.

As another protection, after upgrades, you can also fish the old versions out of the Trash just in case, you discover a new version drops features,adds ads, or is problematic. It's pretty easy to reinstall an old version of an app.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Roger Corbett]
      #6071511 - 09/09/13 03:00 PM

All purchased apps are stored in the Cloud. Open the App Store app and click on the the Purchased tab. Apps that are installed have an OPEN button. Apps that are not installed have a CLOUD button so you can download again.

Edited by pjglad (09/09/13 03:12 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: pjglad]
      #6071852 - 09/09/13 06:28 PM

Yes, but if the app is removed from the App Store then it is no longer in that "cloud" and you will no longer be able to run it. Some of our customers got bitten by this when we had to remove SkySafari 2 from the App Store.

I highly recommend backing up to your home computer.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6075018 - 09/11/13 12:43 PM

Bill:

Will SS4 take advantage of any of the announced new features of the Iphone 5S (e.g., 64-bit architecture, M7 co-processor)?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: paulabel]
      #6075274 - 09/11/13 02:41 PM

Unknown at present. Everything is too new.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6076189 - 09/12/13 12:41 AM

Any guidance on SkySafari and iOS7?

I can hold off updating my iPad for some time (SS is the primary reason I bought the device), but for those of us getting the 5s time is almost up.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6076681 - 09/12/13 10:15 AM

We've fixed a few problems in SS3 that were caused by iOS 7. We will submit a new version to Apple tomorrow. Not clear how long it will take for approval. I can imagine they are pretty backed up with developers submitting new versions right now.

The bugs were mostly aesthetic things so it's not like you can't use the existing SS3 on iOS7. The tool bar lost the text labels under the icons and the alerts that pop up when in night vision are bright white.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6076833 - 09/12/13 11:53 AM

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No, there are no current plans for a Windows version.




That's a bummer. I hope you get to explore this option in the future. Switching back to Windows from Macs (after 9 years), it's the program I miss the most. Luckily it works great on my Nexus 7.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ilovecomets]
      #6082079 - 09/15/13 01:41 PM

Considering it's going to be an iOS 7 centric product, one really cool addition would be utilization of the new bluetooth game controller support. Would allow people to slew the scope and select slew speeds from physical buttons on a game controller case without taking up screen real estate.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Zamboni]
      #6082150 - 09/15/13 02:15 PM

Tristan,

Thanks for pointing that out. We are currently redesigning the slew button layout and this suggestion is something to think about.

Bill


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6084683 - 09/16/13 08:27 PM

I've been using SkySafari 3 on all the iOS7 beta releases including the Gold Master Candidate... with virtually no issues. Certainly none worth worrying about. I use a red plastic sheet on my iPhone and iPad when running SS, so I never noticed the white alert box.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: HeyJP]
      #6084903 - 09/16/13 10:23 PM

The update for the basic version just downloaded to my iPhone 4S running iOS 6. It works fine until you try to use night mode. Then it crashes and won't open again. I guess I can't use the program until Wednesday.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Zamboni]
      #6085543 - 09/17/13 09:19 AM

Tristan,

This is not a simple incompatibility with the new release and iOS 6. We tested this thoroughly. First try rebooting your device. If the problem continues, contact us at our support email.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6085726 - 09/17/13 10:58 AM

Tristan (et al),

I've looked into this and it is a real problem. Some code crept into the iOS 6 flow that should only be happening in iOS 7. We thought this had all gotten tested but obviously not.

NOTE: this only affects the basic version of the app. We are resubmitting new binaries today that will fix it. In the meantime, you will have to uninstall and re-install the app to get it working again. Just don't use Night Vision until the fix is released.

Sorry.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6086051 - 09/17/13 01:44 PM

Yeah, I rebooted, uninstalled, reinstalled AND tested it on two other iPhones in the household (everyone in the house has a 4S) before posting about it to make sure it wasn't a one-off glitch.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Zamboni]
      #6097600 - 09/23/13 10:49 PM

i just downloaded the update, 3.8.2 - is this v4.0? will this (3.8.2) work on both iOS 6 & 7?
thanks for all your work,
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: helpwanted]
      #6098063 - 09/24/13 09:36 AM

David,

Why would you wonder if this was 4.0 when it is called 3.8.2? As we've said, SS 4 is not due out until around the end of the year. 3.8.2 is compatible with iOS 4 through 7. SkySafari 4 will be iOS 7 only.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6098109 - 09/24/13 09:56 AM

Thanks for the clarification.
I was asking if it was the the fourth version because you were talking as if the next thing out was a new version, not just an update. You mentioned one version for iOS6, and another for iOS7, so when I saw an update saying it was compatible with both, I though this was a major, not just an update.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: helpwanted]
      #6100056 - 09/25/13 10:11 AM

I have Sky Safari Pro and have found that when going to "tonights best" a lot of times it gives targets at or below horizion, is anyone finding similar issues? thank you, Kasey

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6100104 - 09/25/13 10:42 AM

Quote:

David,

Why would you wonder if this was 4.0 when it is called 3.8.2? As we've said, SS 4 is not due out until around the end of the year. 3.8.2 is compatible with iOS 4 through 7. SkySafari 4 will be iOS 7 only.

Bill




Thanks for that bit on V4; I'll be dragging my bum to upgrade due to bugs and just plain ugly UI, I'm loath to drop a rather good looking user interface.

On version numbers the software industry has a spotty history. For example I'm running Office 2010 on my work computer but Microsoft calls it version 14.0.7106.5001. Sun played similar games with its' OS version numbers and there are other examples of version number abuse (I blame marketing more than the programmers).

So for some of us that have been exposed to this version number game this is sadly, a legit question. Good know you guys don't play this game.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: dragonslayer1]
      #6100279 - 09/25/13 12:27 PM

Quote:

I have Sky Safari Pro and have found that when going to "tonights best" a lot of times it gives targets at or below horizion, is anyone finding similar issues? thank you, Kasey



It will show objects below the horizon, but the entry should be grayed rather white. The list should show the "best" objects from your location that are observable sometime that night.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6100505 - 09/25/13 02:16 PM

thank you Bill,
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: rboe]
      #6100784 - 09/25/13 04:22 PM

Quote:

Thanks for that bit on V4; I'll be dragging my bum to upgrade due to bugs and just plain ugly UI, I'm loath to drop a rather good looking user interface.




Sadly, it is inevitable. My iPad Mini us updating as I type, and my new phone is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Bye bye iOS6.

Could be worse though. The changes at Yahoo are both hard-to-read and hideous (whereas iOS7 is just hard to read in the sunlight). A second grader has more design-sense than the graphic designers Yahoo hired.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6101488 - 09/25/13 11:07 PM

It is, but I'm in no hurry.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: rboe]
      #6101512 - 09/25/13 11:19 PM

I'm really liking iOS 7. And the redesigned SkySafari is looking really great on it.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: rboe]
      #6103579 - 09/27/13 07:13 AM

Good news. Some questions:
What about the version 2 for android?
What is expected in the new version SS 4 for iOS?


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: R.bak]
      #6104351 - 09/27/13 02:19 PM

SkySafari 2.0 for Android ( which we might call 4.0 ). Is coming along as well. It should be ready for release soon after the iOS version.

We are not releasing a list of new features yet. Sorry.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6104711 - 09/27/13 06:25 PM

Hi Bill,

Would you expect SS 3 to run better on iPhone 5S? The faster process will help some, but the new co-processor should really help.

My GF has SS3 as well and needs to upgrade to a 5S, so I suppose I'll find out soon enough. If it works well enough, I may upgrade to a 5S just for your app.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: mattz]
      #6104950 - 09/27/13 09:20 PM

Just a general question about SSPro Is it possible to list comets by magnitude?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: mattz]
      #6104986 - 09/27/13 09:43 PM

Well, it will certainly run faster. Floating point operations, which SkySafari is heavily dependent on, are much faster on the A7. The graphics processor is also much better which should help.

I'm not sure the motion co-processor will help that much, certainly not with SkySafari 3. In SS4 we have changed how we handle compass and gyro integration. That might be more efficient with the M7 processor. We have not had time to explore this yet.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ischua]
      #6104990 - 09/27/13 09:44 PM

Quote:

Just a general question about SSPro Is it possible to list comets by magnitude?



Coming in SkySafari 4. You wil be able to sort object lists based upon many characteristics.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6105013 - 09/27/13 10:09 PM

Shhhhhhh!!!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Gil V]
      #6105242 - 09/28/13 02:15 AM

Thank you for the response, Bill. Being able to sort by mag will be a biggie.

Great program, keep up the excellent work.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6105518 - 09/28/13 09:04 AM

Any word on ServoCAT performance?

I have been experiencing a constant offset error on GOTO commands issued from SkySafari. The direction of offset appears to be the same also, but I need to confirm this.

The displacement is rather large, about 1/4 degree even after centering after using the Align function in the latest iOS release.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6105589 - 09/28/13 09:52 AM

Just a question regarding version numbers vs. name.

On the Southern Stars website, and on the iTunes store, the name of the app is prominently labelled "SkySafari 3 Plus". However, the one I have on my iPhone is just "SkySafari +" . The version I have is 3.8.2 so I assumed that I have SkySafari 3.

On the other hand I have seen software where the number in the name is unrelated to the actual version number. For example, I have Photoshop CS3, which has a version number of 10.0.

Since I bought my version of SkySafari quite a while back, I guess I just wanted to be sure I actually have "SkySafari 3" if it doesn't show up that way in the name on my iPhone. Thanks!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Midnight Dan]
      #6105594 - 09/28/13 09:55 AM

I have an ASUS TF700T 32gb tablet with wifi.
Can I use Sky Safari without an internet connection?
Want to use it in the field. Thanks.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Sgriffith62]
      #6106153 - 09/28/13 03:19 PM

Dan,

You have SkySafari 3. Apps don't generally put the version in the displayed title.

Sgriffith,

SkySafari does not need an internet connection to work. It is entirely self contained. You only need an internet connection to update the solar system data every week or so.

Guys,

I may need to stop answering so many questions on CN. This is not our support site and we do have our own Yahoo Group. I'm slipping down a slippery slope.

Bill


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6108640 - 09/30/13 03:22 AM

Bill:

Just a thought... How about listing surface brightness for extended objects???

Jon


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6108825 - 09/30/13 08:33 AM

Let the man do his job

Sky Safari is a great program.

Edited by SporQ (09/30/13 08:34 AM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: SporQ]
      #6108934 - 09/30/13 09:38 AM

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Let the man do his job

Sky Safari is a great program.




No doubt about that..

But a great program doesn't happen in a vacuum.. Bill and Tim listen to the users. It was people like myself that encouraged Bill and Tim to port Sky Safari over to the Android OS... They listened...

Surface brightness is very useful..

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      #6109026 - 09/30/13 10:39 AM

Great programs stay great with input from the customers and future customers.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: rboe]
      #6109300 - 09/30/13 01:38 PM

Surface brightness is not generally reported in the databases we take our info from. We could always attempt to calculate it using the object's size and its integrated visual magnitude. I'll add it to our list of things to consider.

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      #6115658 - 10/03/13 04:58 PM

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Just a thought... How about listing surface brightness for extended objects???




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I'll add it to our list of things to consider.




It would be much used.


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      #6115687 - 10/03/13 05:13 PM

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Just a thought... How about listing surface brightness for extended objects???




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I'll add it to our list of things to consider.




It would be much used.




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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: mattz]
      #6142276 - 10/17/13 04:42 AM

I am running SS3 on 5s. Runs crazily fluid and fast. I cannot describe how "WOW" I was when I first ran it.

Quick! Get the 5s!

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Would you expect SS 3 to run better on iPhone 5S? The faster process will help some, but the new co-processor should really help.

My GF has SS3 as well and needs to upgrade to a 5S, so I suppose I'll find out soon enough. If it works well enough, I may upgrade to a 5S just for your app.




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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Paulimer]
      #6144833 - 10/18/13 12:52 PM

There have been reports of sensor (e.g., gyroscope, compass, level and accelerometer) miscalibrations on the 5s. Have you noticed these issues with Sky Safari?

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      #6146029 - 10/19/13 03:22 AM

Great input Paulimer. That is what I needed to know. My GF has one on order and I was going to see how well it worked on hers, but I may go ahead and order one now.

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      #6146049 - 10/19/13 04:33 AM

There is no issue with any of those whatsoever with my phone, or when using Skysafari with it.

BTW I have been using Skysafari pro on my IP4s and iPad3, the difference is huge.

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There have been reports of sensor (e.g., gyroscope, compass, level and accelerometer) miscalibrations on the 5s. Have you noticed these issues with Sky Safari?

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      #6148714 - 10/20/13 04:54 PM

Thanks Paulimer. Just received my iPhone 5s and will load SS on to it.

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      #6157479 - 10/25/13 01:29 PM

SS works fine on the iphone 5s. Apparently IOS 7.03 fixed the sensor issue.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: paulabel]
      #6158485 - 10/26/13 12:23 AM

Shame no Windows version in the works. The new 8.1 tablets are looking pretty good and Sky Safari is the only app I would truly miss on the iPad.

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      #6165230 - 10/29/13 07:45 PM

My GF just got her phone. I agree with Paul, SS works very well on the 5S. SS now works like I hoped it would. Now I need to go get a new phone...

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: mattz]
      #6190247 - 11/12/13 09:52 AM

Bill, just wondering if SS4 will take advantage of the 64 bit processors in the newer devices?

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      #6190436 - 11/12/13 11:20 AM

We have done tests and don't see any benefit to us. It makes the code larger but does not give us any noticeable performance improvements.

We will continue to test this up to the time of release and make a decision then. It is a simple change to the compile options so it is easy to do at the last minute.


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      #6191570 - 11/12/13 08:48 PM

Thanks!

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      #6222827 - 11/29/13 05:06 AM

Is SkyQ compatability going to be possible in V4 for IOS? I'm considering SkyQ but I'd rather use it with Skysafari than Celestron's software.

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      #6223019 - 11/29/13 09:19 AM

We are working on SkyQ compatibility in SkySafari. It likely won't make it into version 4.0, but should hopefully be in 4.1 coming a month or so later.

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      #6223242 - 11/29/13 11:44 AM

I have Purchased Skysafari 3 Pro and awaiting delivery of the Skyfi. I am very hopeful that my LX80 mount with AudioStar HBX will allow proper communications. The LX80 is not listed in your specifications but shall I assume that it will work in the same way as the AutoStar 497 HBX.
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      #6223305 - 11/29/13 12:22 PM

In SkySafari 3.8.5, the LX80 is one of the options in the Scope Setup settings. Have no fear.

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      #6223396 - 11/29/13 01:21 PM

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We are working on SkyQ compatibility in SkySafari. It likely won't make it into version 4.0, but should hopefully be in 4.1 coming a month or so later.




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      #6223811 - 11/29/13 05:23 PM

Great to hear about SkyQ. That's awesome news!

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      #6224832 - 11/30/13 09:41 AM

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Great to hear about SkyQ. That's awesome news!




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      #6227064 - 12/01/13 01:22 PM

I wonder how it'll work.

Celestron's SkyQ app seems to override the hand control while Skywire lets you use both.


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      #6232049 - 12/03/13 07:42 PM

Interfacing directly to SkyQ adapter means they'll have to program in their own alignment routine as it is simply a TTL level interface to the motor controllers allowing the SkyQ app to replace the hand controller. Pretty ambitious... Very cool though.

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      #6244056 - 12/10/13 03:29 AM

That's a shame because presumably that means you won't be able to use use Starsense for auto alignment then Sky Safari as a touchscreen HC replacement.

Currently I use the standard HC and SkySafari by cable. I align with the HC then I can use either the HC or Sky Safari on the I
Ipad interchangeably without breaking the alignment. Apparently using SkyQ input totally misses out the HC, input via the HC breaks the alignment, yes.

What is like to do is align with Starsense then use SkyQ Skysafari on the iPad or the HC interchangeably. It doesn't sound like that will be possible.


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      #6263041 - 12/20/13 05:16 AM

Will SS3 still be supported? I'm not real keen on updating my iPhone 4S and iPad2 to ios7

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      #6263230 - 12/20/13 09:07 AM

We are not planning further work on SS 3.

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      #6263396 - 12/20/13 10:23 AM

I'll upgrade to SS4 Pro, but only for one of my iPads for evaluation.. Otherwise, I'll still use SS3 on my iPhone 4s. I really dislike almost everything about IOS7 and looking at SS4 screenshots that follow the IOS7's icon design failures....ugh...

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      #6263513 - 12/20/13 11:14 AM

Mark,

Of course I'm biased but I think we did a beautiful job of incorporating the iOS 7 design features. Most people don't like the lack of contrast in iOS 7, but I don't think that is an issue with SkySafari given its dark theme.

What particularly don't you like?


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      #6263545 - 12/20/13 11:34 AM

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Mark,

Of course I'm biased but I think we did a beautiful job of incorporating the iOS 7 design features. Most people don't like the lack of contrast in iOS 7, but I don't think that is an issue with SkySafari given its dark theme.




Indeed. I sometimes think that with iOS 7 Apple was trying to deliberately tweak those of us that are starting to need reading glasses.

But the SkySafari 4.0 release is very legible, actually quite beautiful in virtually every respect. Very fast and supple on my iPad Mini. The new scope control menu is great. The new feature set is strong. While people will always ask for more feature, there is nothing not to like in the this release.

As much as I have enjoyed 3.x I think I have used it for the last time.

IMHO 4.0 is a bargain at twice the normal price, a steal at the intro price.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6263574 - 12/20/13 11:52 AM

You've been bought out by the Starry Night folks Bill?

http://www.southernstars.com/company/news/2013-12-20.html

The way they let Starry Night wither on the vine is why I use SkySafari today.

Disappointed, as they don't seem like a company that puts their customers first, but rather markets a product with no ongoing development, and then throws that product away when they're done with it.

Hope I'm wrong in the case of SkySafari.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: silverking]
      #6263582 - 12/20/13 11:57 AM

I'm buying a 64gb iPhone 5S tonight. Seems like a perfect time to finally get SS Pro. Great timing for 4 to arrive!

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      #6263599 - 12/20/13 12:06 PM

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You've been bought out by the Starry Night folks Bill?

http://www.southernstars.com/company/news/2013-12-20.html

The way they let Starry Night wither on the vine is why I use SkySafari today.

Disappointed, as they don't seem like a company that puts their customers first, but rather markets a product with no ongoing development, and then throws that product away when they're done with it.

Hope I'm wrong in the case of SkySafari.




I must admit that worried me too when I saw the news - there hasn't been any substantial updates to Starry Night in years. Is Simulation Curriculum committed to supporting continued development of SkySafari?
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: microstar]
      #6263751 - 12/20/13 01:28 PM

Yeah, I find that very concerning. Sky Safari is a great app and I would hate to see it wither. :/

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      #6263798 - 12/20/13 01:58 PM

Guys, have no fear. We wouldn't have joined with Simulation Curriculum without a strong understanding that Tim and I would be able to continue to develop SkySafari as we have in the past. I think we will be able to leverage each other's strengths and do great things together.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6263863 - 12/20/13 02:28 PM

Great to hear that's the set-up Bill.

BTW, V.4 Pro looks stunning in iOS 7!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6264311 - 12/20/13 07:01 PM

Like perhaps a Windows version of Sky Safari so I can uninstall Starry Night that I never use anymore because I have Sky Safari? Would be cool to create observing plans with Sky Safari for Windows and send them on over to its tablet counterpart then send back the observing logs to the computer.



Drooling now must stop...


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      #6264347 - 12/20/13 07:31 PM

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Mark,

Of course I'm biased but I think we did a beautiful job of incorporating the iOS 7 design features. Most people don't like the lack of contrast in iOS 7, but I don't think that is an issue with SkySafari given its dark theme.

What particularly don't you like?




Hi Bill, The bottom row of icons which in SS3 were white against a black background, while is SS4 ( at least looking at your screenshots ) appear to be dark blue ( outline only) against a black background. To me that is a step backwards in usability and function. It's a design choice that Apple implemented ( one might say, "inflicted") upon users in IOS7. Ideally, I'd like a preference to give me solid white icons like SS3. I'd also be concerned how well the default icons show up when in night vision mode out in the dark. Most users who use their iPad/iPhone at the scope in the dark are also using a red screen cover to further dim the screen. So, I'm assuming those outlined icons will likely be difficult to be seen due to their lower contrast. At age 52, that will be an issue for me:)

To me, IOS7 looks like it was made by Fisher Price ( or Avon) , with a cute eye candy design. It's a chick OS now.....I'll be the last holdout on IOS6 ..I'll turn out the lights after the party is over:)

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Markovich]
      #6264358 - 12/20/13 07:43 PM

The icon color is actually a fairly light blue and shows up very well against the dark background. I lightened the default color just for this purpose.

At night when you use a red film, you want to either select a monochrome screen or use night vision. With the monochrome screen all icons and buttons are white. With night vision they are red. In either case they show through a red film just fine.

We really did think through this stuff.

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      #6264361 - 12/20/13 07:46 PM

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Like perhaps a Windows version of Sky Safari so I can uninstall Starry Night that I never use anymore because I have Sky Safari? Would be cool to create observing plans with Sky Safari for Windows and send them on over to its tablet counterpart then send back the observing logs to the computer.



Drooling now must stop...




+1000000 for this. A windows version is about the only good I can see coming out of this purchase. Except for some extra $$$$ for Bill and Tim. Kudos to them for all their hard work.

But seriously has Simulation Curriculum actually released anything in the past 8 years? Starry Night Pro Plus 6 was my favorite planetarium software from about 2006-2010 when it basically stopped working.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ilovecomets]
      #6264740 - 12/21/13 01:47 AM

Bill, I am planning on getting an iPad Mini to replace my iPad Gen 1 for use with Sky Safari. Two questions... Does the Retina display really make much of a difference espcially in low light and with a rubylith film over the screen? Does having the cellular option provide any kind of edge over the wifi version as far as accuracy of location (cellular has GPS unit) is concerned? I pretty much just use my ipad for controlling my scope so i do not need those features for anything else. Thanks.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: crazyqban]
      #6264921 - 12/21/13 08:37 AM

Sergio,

I don't think the retina display is as important at night as it is during the day. That is because our acuity is so much less in the dim light. It might help a bit in seeing faint, small stars on the screen.

I wouldn't get the cellular option just for the GPS. I find I generally have a pretty good idea of the Lat / Lon where I'm observing. Doesn't need to be exact, just within 20 or 30 miles.

That said, if you don't carry a smart cell phone, it can be pretty useful to look things up when away from a wireless hotspot.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: crazyqban]
      #6264925 - 12/21/13 08:41 AM

I don't have the the first gen ipad but I do have the fourth gen ipad, the gen ipad mini, and the retina ipad mini. The ipad 4 has a very bright backli display that is difficult to dim down to a reasonable level. The minis are better in this regard and the retina mini will dim down to a lower level then the 1st mini. The backlight on the new mini is also a little bit dimmer than the first. There is also a noticeable difference in the resolution between the minis in low light. Just be aware of the difference in size of the screens, some peoples eyes won't do well with the mini. Charts are much easier to read on the larger screens, I almost wish I had gotten the Ipad Air.

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      #6264980 - 12/21/13 09:32 AM

The update was announced by a happy user at our club Christmas party last night. I'm out and about early this morning, but will download it later today. Although the program must apparently be repurchased as it is a new total revision, the 50% off for a limited time is a great marketing move for us loyal fans.

I am also a Starry Night Pro fan too, as it was the best Mac program for its time. It still runs well on my 6 year old Mac. I'll probably update my Mac in 2014, as it is time, so I'll get the OSX version of Sky Safari when I get the new hardware.

It is actually pretty incredible as Starry Night Pro is still well north of $100 for an old program, while Sky Safari is so modestly priced. I mean when you consider how much we often pay for an eyepiece, software as sophisticated and easy to use as Sky Safari is a real bargain.

Congratulations to Bill and the team, and I hope the acquisition brings you the resources to continue with this fine software program.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: demiles]
      #6264998 - 12/21/13 09:40 AM

Just downloaded SkySafari 4 Pro while watching the spacewalk outside the ISS. Looks great! And it is nice to have 4 Pro's icon on my iPad right next to SkySafari three (Pro). I will play around with four for a while and then see if I can delete 3 as well as AstroAid and AstroPlanner apps. Looks like I will still have to build or import (?) a Herschel 400 list, however. Next: I will have to order sky wire and see how that works with my scopes. Fun Saturday!

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      #6265017 - 12/21/13 09:52 AM

When will the Android version be released?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: paulabel]
      #6265120 - 12/21/13 11:06 AM

After reviewing the list of new features in SS4, I'm disappointed to see that it includes things like animated meteor showers instead of the following which I and others have been requesting since 2011: A quick data screen to show sun set, astronomical twilight and moon rise/set times, or even better, a month of this info on one scrollable screen or in calendar format. This would have been especially helpful for astrophotography planning. Oh well, still a great app in any event.
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: elwah]
      #6265480 - 12/21/13 03:15 PM

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When will the Android version be released?



We are working on it but plan on 1 to 2 months.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Poochpa]
      #6265489 - 12/21/13 03:19 PM

Quote:

After reviewing the list of new features in SS4, I'm disappointed to see that it includes things like animated meteor showers instead of the following which I and others have been requesting since 2011: A quick data screen to show sun set, astronomical twilight and moon rise/set times, or even better, a month of this info on one scrollable screen or in calendar format. This would have been especially helpful for astrophotography planning. Oh well, still a great app in any event.
Mike




Well, believe it or not, lots of folks have asked about meteor showers as well. Probably more than have requested what you want.

Look, we can't do everything. There are other astronomy apps out there that will do what you are asking. Nothing says you can't use more than one app.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6265576 - 12/21/13 04:06 PM

Downloading observation lists from the Southern Stars Yahoo group worked exactly as described in SkySafari 4's help section ... fabulous! I now have the Herschel lists for all four seasons and the "Pensack 500" to play around with. And WOW is the new Pro version FAST! (And pretty!)



Thank you, Bill!!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ScottAz]
      #6265638 - 12/21/13 04:37 PM

Going from SS3 Basic on an iPhone 4S to SS4 Pro on a 5S was an amazing shift. What a great piece of software. Well done!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Zamboni]
      #6265873 - 12/21/13 06:53 PM

I second all the praise for SS4. I just bought it yesterday and it's awesome!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
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Sergio,

I don't think the retina display is as important at night as it is during the day. That is because our acuity is so much less in the dim light. It might help a bit in seeing faint, small stars on the screen.

I wouldn't get the cellular option just for the GPS. I find I generally have a pretty good idea of the Lat / Lon where I'm observing. Doesn't need to be exact, just within 20 or 30 miles.

That said, if you don't carry a smart cell phone, it can be pretty useful to look things up when away from a wireless hotspot.

Bill




Bill/Demiles... I went ahead an purchased a 16GB iPad Mini with AT&T but no Retina Display. I installed the new Sky Safari Pro 4 and it really looks and feels nice. I have not gotten to play around with it and the scope yet but I am really digging the list sort options, a feature that I have wanted more than any other. It may take some time to get used to the much smaller size and lighter weight of the Mini, quite a difference. Bill as always, many thanks to you, Tim and the rest of the Southern Stars crew for making a great product superb!!! Merry Christmas.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: crazyqban]
      #6266174 - 12/21/13 11:02 PM

Looking good Sergio! I think the Mini may be the perfect size for wireless goto control, and I'm very interested in your opinion at the scope. I already purchased SSv4 Pro.

You know you're going to make me spend more money...

See you at the WSP!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Vic Menard]
      #6266180 - 12/21/13 11:11 PM

Pro 3 really is a great app. and works flawlessly with my CPC 800.
Is it worth it to upgrade to Pro 4 from Pro 3? What are the differences?
I have ios7 already running.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: jhkayakr]
      #6266414 - 12/22/13 04:51 AM

I'll not upgrade, v4 runs on iOS 7 only. I'm disappointed. If a new v3 (3.9?) release will came out including a complete WDS, even charging it, I'll reconsider my decision.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: jhkayakr]
      #6266641 - 12/22/13 10:40 AM

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Pro 3 really is a great app. and works flawlessly with my CPC 800.
Is it worth it to upgrade to Pro 4 from Pro 3?



I like to support software companies that are responsive to their users, and I also like being given the opportunity to get a discounted price for being an early adopter--so for me it's a win-win. I've supported Sky Safari since its inception, and Voyager since v1.2. The current pricing, in my opinion, makes the feature-rich Sky Safari application one of the "best" values in astronomy software.

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What are the differences?



http://www.southernstars.com/products/skysafari/whats_new.html


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6266911 - 12/22/13 01:34 PM

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Guys, have no fear. We wouldn't have joined with Simulation Curriculum without a strong understanding that Tim and I would be able to continue to develop SkySafari as we have in the past. I think we will be able to leverage each other's strengths and do great things together.

Bill




This is a bit scary. I rely on Skysafari for its great detail compared to the disappointment of Starry Night Enthusiast with basically no customer support.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: NeilMac]
      #6266944 - 12/22/13 01:56 PM

I have the iPad Air, iPad 3rd version with retina display and the first iPad mini. I find with a red screen overlay, my eyes appreciate the larger format screen. I no longer use the iPad mini or iPhone for for dark site astronomy due to difficulty reading the smaller text. I am 56 so my eyes need a bit more help.

I just started the version 4 pro download and am looking forward to using it.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: JMW]
      #6267251 - 12/22/13 05:01 PM

For those using the ipad mini, you can magnify the screen with a three finger double tap on the screen. You can turn it on under Settings/General/Accessibility/Zoom.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6267375 - 12/22/13 06:32 PM

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After reviewing the list of new features in SS4, I'm disappointed to see that it includes things like animated meteor showers instead of the following which I and others have been requesting since 2011: A quick data screen to show sun set, astronomical twilight and moon rise/set times, or even better, a month of this info on one scrollable screen or in calendar format. This would have been especially helpful for astrophotography planning. Oh well, still a great app in any event.
Mike




Well, believe it or not, lots of folks have asked about meteor showers as well. Probably more than have requested what you want.

Look, we can't do everything. There are other astronomy apps out there that will do what you are asking. Nothing says you can't use more than one app.




I'm with Mike on this one.

I could care less about animated meteor showers, hopefully they can be turned off. A quick data screen in calendar format would be great and very useful.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Darren Bly]
      #6267426 - 12/22/13 07:14 PM

Try SolarCalc.
It's free.
Or Twilight & Moon Calendar for 99 cents...


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Vic Menard]
      #6267467 - 12/22/13 07:48 PM

Good call, Vic. I also recommend SolarCalc....

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ilovecomets]
      #6267495 - 12/22/13 08:10 PM


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But seriously has Simulation Curriculum actually released anything in the past 8 years? Starry Night Pro Plus 6 was my favorite planetarium software from about 2006-2010 when it basically stopped working.




Hi,

Our last feature update was in 2011 (version 6.4 - particle galaxies, hour angle lines, new horizon panoramas), followed by some minor features and mostly bug fixes since then. We are currently at 6.4.3. http://tinyurl.com/ktdxvgn

I'm sorry to hear Starry Night stopped working for you. It's compatible from Windows XP to Windows 8 and from Mac OS X 10.4 and higher. If you have one of those operating systems, feel free to contact us (we have extensive support) or me offline and I'm sure we'll get it running for you.

I agree that we have been at version 6 for a while. We have however been working hard over the last few months to change that.

I should also say that Simulation Curriculum might be a new name but we are essentially the same team that brought you Starry Night - including founding developers, who are still actively working on the code.

We have also expanded in education, in the planetarium and into other subject areas. As a company we've never been healthier, and are looking forward to meeting your expectations and delivering new products.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ordep]
      #6267772 - 12/23/13 12:17 AM

Will there be a way to transfer my V3 observing lists to V4?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Spaced]
      #6267884 - 12/23/13 03:18 AM

OK, perhaps a change of plan, I was comparing the brightness of the iPad Gen 1 to the iPad mini and to my surprise they are pretty close perhaps even the mini being a tad brighter. This kinda defeats the purpose the whole purpose of why I wanted to go with an iPad Mini. The Mini's screen is sharper and easier to read with less glow than the iPad Gen 1 when the brightness is turned down but the iPad Gen 1 wins when I use the rubylith. This really throws a wrench into things, should I just hang on to my iPad Gen 1 even though Sky Safari 3 lacks a couple of features over SkySafari 4 or should I go with the Mini or even an iPad air and embrace the change? Hhhhmmmm??? What to do? Any thoughts?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: crazyqban]
      #6268116 - 12/23/13 08:38 AM

Sergio,

How about a second layer of rubylith? The Air is $200 more than the mini and won't fit into an observing vest pocket (if you use one). I'm considering the mini myself, but others like the larger screen of the 10" iPad. Tough call. I really think the Air is overpriced.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: rockethead26]
      #6268439 - 12/23/13 12:09 PM

I've been using Star Chart on my Samsung Note and I like it quite a lot. How does Sky Safari compare to it? Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a free trial version. I see they have a couple versions that cost as much as $40.00, can that possibly be worth the price?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: demiles]
      #6268617 - 12/23/13 01:39 PM

I just received an iPad Mini (the older one, not the new model with Retina display). What would be the limitation compared to the other full iPad's for SkySafari Pro or Plus? I have been using the ASUS Transformer (the very first model) with SkySafari 3 Plus with GPS and all. I need to decide whether to get the iPad version or Android version for SF4.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: StarCurious]
      #6268706 - 12/23/13 02:17 PM

Sergio, I think a night using your Mini will turn you into a fan. The combination of large-enough screen and light-enough weight make it -- for me anyhow -- an ideal tool at the eyepiece.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Spaced]
      #6268719 - 12/23/13 02:23 PM

I'm a total neophyte when it comes to smartphones and apps. Can I use Sky Safari 4 on my Samsung Galaxy S3

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Spaced]
      #6268729 - 12/23/13 02:27 PM

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Will there be a way to transfer my V3 observing lists to V4?



There is no automatic way to transfer then. Apple doesn't allow one app to access another app's data ( SS4 and SS3 are separate apps).

However, it is easy to transfer them using iTunes File Sharing. Google it if you don't know how.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6268953 - 12/23/13 04:21 PM

Downloading to iTunes now. FWIW - the Pro version was $19.99 when I bought it. (Regularly $39.99). Early Christmas present?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Spaced]
      #6272042 - 12/25/13 11:41 AM

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Sergio, I think a night using your Mini will turn you into a fan. The combination of large-enough screen and light-enough weight make it -- for me anyhow -- an ideal tool at the eyepiece.




The Mini definitely is the Goldilocks solution. Not too small. Not too large. Juuuust right. I also find that to be the case for non-astro use too.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6272125 - 12/25/13 12:30 PM

I found the mini to be too small for me. I got one with the intention of it becoming my every day device. I found the slightly smaller fonts caused just enough eyestrain to give me a headache after reading a while on it. I took it back and exchanged it for an iPad Air.

I'm sure it is a great solution for someone with slightly younger eyes.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6272171 - 12/25/13 12:56 PM

Merry Christmas everyone!
I bought the new Sky Safari 4 last Friday and used it with my CGEM and scope with SkyFi two nights ago. Everything worked beautifully on my iPad 2. I had a lot of fun!

I did find one little bug though. When reading object info in night vision mode, when I select an object photo in the description the red overlay doesn't cover the image fully. It's just a red box in the middle. Just a small thing, but for some reason it made me laugh out loud.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6272206 - 12/25/13 01:17 PM

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Will there be a way to transfer my V3 observing lists to V4?



There is no automatic way to transfer then. Apple doesn't allow one app to access another app's data ( SS4 and SS3 are separate apps). However, it is easy to transfer them using iTunes File Sharing.

Google it if you don't know how.








If you have Pro. At the bottom of your observing lists is a button that says "Email Observing List" Just send it to yourself. I use the iPad. When I open email with iPad and click on object/file it will ask what to open it with. click the "open with button" it will list compatible apps. Open in what version you want. Transfered all of mine this way.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: ischua]
      #6273403 - 12/26/13 10:52 AM

I emailed the lists to myself as well. It worked in seconds.

I'm very impressed with SS4. This is a great program. My GF and I were texting each other about its new features the other night.

It is worth upgrading to ios7 to get this program. Without a doubt.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DeanAK]
      #6273502 - 12/26/13 11:48 AM

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I've been using Star Chart on my Samsung Note and I like it quite a lot. How does Sky Safari compare to it? Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a free trial version. I see they have a couple versions that cost as much as $40.00, can that possibly be worth the price?




Dean - IMHO it is well worth the price of $40 for the pro version. If that seems a little steep the next version down (I believe it's "Plus") gives you telescope control and most of the features of the "Pro" version (with less stars) for a fraction of the cost.) It is by far the best astronomy app I have. They periodically have specials on the price (I got my SS4 "Pro" version for $19.99 which is a "steal" IMO.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Tora]
      #6273562 - 12/26/13 12:17 PM

The best deal in astrogear right now is SS4 pro for $20.

Sell grandma, dig around your couch for loose change, dig around your grandma's couch for loose change, in short do what you need to and gather up $20 for this program.

It is that good. Grandma will understand.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: mattz]
      #6273574 - 12/26/13 12:21 PM

I should note that I use it on the iPhone 5S. It was a bit much of a program for my old 4S and really was way too much for my GFs 4.

But if you have a 5S, you will love the way it essentially gives you a window to view the sky with where the window puts labels on everything. The amount of information provided and thought that went into this is amazing.

Almost unfair to call it an app, it is really more of a program.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6274551 - 12/26/13 10:22 PM

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I found the mini to be too small for me. I got one with the intention of it becoming my every day device. I found the slightly smaller fonts caused just enough eyestrain to give me a headache after reading a while on it. I took it back and exchanged it for an iPad Air.

I'm sure it is a great solution for someone with slightly younger eyes.






I thought all of you coding geniuses were young guys!

For my next birthday I'll ask for an observing vest with larger pockets for the eventual full-sized iPad.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6275274 - 12/27/13 12:12 PM

One set of features I would really love to see in future releases is a couple of slight changes to observing lists and observing logs:

1. An option for when you click "observe" in an object info screen to show only observing lists that include that object.

2. When you select an observing list at that point, have it edit the entry for that object already in the list rather than creating a duplicate.

3. Ability to copy one observation to other observing lists that feature the object.

4. When emailing observing logs as text files from the app, including the equipment and seeing condition information.

The reason for all of these? Astronomical League observing programs. I'm currently working on the Messier, Herschel 400 and Urban Observing programs and there's a lot of crossover between them where a single observation can count towards multiple programs. The way the system is now in SS4 Pro, if I go to log an observation from an object info screen, I select an observing list and it creates a duplicate entry and I have to go back and edit the list to delete the original entry. Then I have to manually go into the other lists that feature the object and recreate the log entirely. Some cross-referencing features would be immensely helpful.

As for including the conditions and equipment info when emailing text files of the logs from the app, that makes it FAR easier to generate an observing log for sending to the awards coordinator.

Just my $0.02. Loving everything else about the app. Glad to finally be running the pro version.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Zamboni]
      #6275647 - 12/27/13 04:06 PM

Please send us an email with any suggestions. We do not keep track of things posted in this forum.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6275985 - 12/27/13 07:27 PM

Will do!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Zamboni]
      #6278264 - 12/28/13 11:40 PM

I downloaded Sky Safari 4 Pro on my iPad Air, wow! Clearly a well thought out app., nice work. I'm mostly new to astronomy so may be missing something, but I was playing around with the "meteor showers" feature and couldn't find a sort by peak date, am I missing something here? Would be nice to have the showers sorted by date.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: rustyprice]
      #6278680 - 12/29/13 08:39 AM

We will try to add sorting by peak date in a future release. That sorting characteristic doesn't fit with the other object types so it wasn't immediately obvious how best to add it.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6279333 - 12/29/13 02:55 PM

I downloaded Sky Safari 4 (Plus) today.
I have been playing with it on and off all day - I must say I am extremely impressed!
I think the general look and polish of the User Interface has been implemented very well, and I feel fits in with the IOS 7 intended ‘look and feel’. Love the search features, and the general smooth scrolling of the display (running on a iPhone 5). Well done the developers.

One small request (probably dependant upon your external databases you use) - any chance of adding the new Gaia astronomical satellite to the app’s database ? This is Europe's most advanced astronomy satellite yet, and fits in with this astronomy app!

I am working at the European Space Agency in Darmstadt (Germany), currently for the Gaia astronomical Star mapping satellite that was launched very recently (currently heading for a parking slot at the L2 Lagrangian point for start of observations). Gaia’s star catalogue will, compared to the previous Hipparcos mission, bring a gain of a factor 50 to 100 in star mapping accuracy, and a factor of 10,000 in star numbers when the star catalogue is eventual completed. Would love to track Gaia with the app !

Keep up the good work !


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: cilio]
      #6279688 - 12/29/13 06:20 PM

Our satellite code is set up for Earth orbiting satellites. Gaia orbits the Sun and cannot currently be displayed. Maybe in a future release.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6280783 - 12/30/13 10:25 AM

I have had SS3 Pro for over a year now and have loved it. Got it on sale during the Venus transit of 2012. When I saw SS4 Pro go on sale for half off, I jumped at it. My reasons for purchasing it were:

1. Many more stars than SS3.
2. I figured eventually SS3 will no longer be supported
3. Ability to setup more field of views
4. I was going to have to move to iOS7 eventually.

I think Southern Stars has achieved a good balance of keeping much of the functionality the same for us existing users with some nice improvements.

My only gripe is that the field of view setup appears to be limited. I would like to be able to configure my own telescopes, eyepieces and cameras like I can do in Stellarium. Perhaps there is a way and I just don't see it. Is there a file that can be edited for this?

Edit: Never mind on the gripe. I RTFMed and discovered I could setup my own equipment using the Equipment setup under telescopes.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: paulabel]
      #6293159 - 01/05/14 02:11 AM

Bill,
Are there any plans to include mosaic imaging assistance? Even a manually input coordinate option (not centering on stars or objects only) would be very useful.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Paulimer]
      #6293445 - 01/05/14 09:39 AM

We really do have any special imaging feature planned. Neither Tim nor I are imagers and you do what you know.

You can center on arbitrary coordinates.

1. Center the chart on the coordinates you want to GoTo using the Coordinates settings.
2. Tap the Target field in the scope control panel. The label should change to Chart Center.
3. Do a GoTo.

I fully admit this is somewhat obscure. We have talked about making it more explicit in a future release.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6294671 - 01/05/14 07:44 PM

Get that, thanks.
It would be even nicer if I can save the list of coordinates like the observing list


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Paulimer]
      #6296474 - 01/06/14 05:20 PM

with respect to imaging (i know you said you are not imagers, but this is probably useful to anyone controlling a telescope with SS), the ability to draw a "dead zone" around the meridian line would be really useful. with a GEM there are places near the meridian that you can't slew until they have gotten far enough away from the meridian, typically close to the zenith.

heck if SS refused to issue the goto command for a target within the "dead zone" that would be even better. as it stands now i have to eyeball it and in fact two nights ago i got perilously close to crashing the camera into the mount.

thanks for all the FOV options in SS4 - my only pony request here is that SS4 could ask what side of the pier the scope is on and automatically mirror the guidescope FOV. when using an OAG without a rotator the guidescope FOV is first on one side of the main imager and then after a meridian flip it's on the other… absent that a way to just quickly mirror a guidescope FOV would be great.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: pfile]
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Quote:

with respect to imaging (i know you said you are not imagers, but this is probably useful to anyone controlling a telescope with SS), the ability to draw a "dead zone" around the meridian line would be really useful. with a GEM there are places near the meridian that you can't slew until they have gotten far enough away from the meridian, typically close to the zenith




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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6300548 - 01/08/14 06:08 PM

I read on this forum the other night that someone used Sky Safari to show what time the red spot would be visible on Jupiter. Can someone tell me how to find this info? I have searched for it and cannot find it.
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: poodle]
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I read on this forum the other night that someone used Sky Safari to show what time the red spot would be visible on Jupiter. Can someone tell me how to find this info? I have searched for it and cannot find it.
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Do a Search on Jupiter. GRS ephemeris is located in the Upcoming Events section.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: pjglad]
      #6300628 - 01/08/14 06:53 PM

OK found Jupiter but where is upcoming events located?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: poodle]
      #6300633 - 01/08/14 06:56 PM

Never mind, I figured it out.
Thank you anyway.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Darren Bly]
      #6303295 - 01/10/14 12:02 AM

Quote:

Quote:

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After reviewing the list of new features in SS4, I'm disappointed to see that it includes things like animated meteor showers instead of the following which I and others have been requesting since 2011: A quick data screen to show sun set, astronomical twilight and moon rise/set times, or even better, a month of this info on one scrollable screen or in calendar format. This would have been especially helpful for astrophotography planning. Oh well, still a great app in any event.
Mike




Well, believe it or not, lots of folks have asked about meteor showers as well. Probably more than have requested what you want.

Look, we can't do everything. There are other astronomy apps out there that will do what you are asking. Nothing says you can't use more than one app.




I'm with Mike on this one.

I could care less about animated meteor showers, hopefully they can be turned off. A quick data screen in calendar format would be great and very useful.




For those with Android devices, I love Mobile Observatory. It does a good deal of what you're looking for. Clear skies!

http://zima.co/

Edited by thebigeast44 (01/10/14 12:05 AM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: thebigeast44]
      #6310155 - 01/13/14 12:10 PM

Hi Guys,

I have Sky Safari 3.8 on my iPhone 5S and like it, but I want more screen size and the option on running my servo cat with it.

What do I need? iPad full, mini, air? Mini sounds a bit small for my 57 year old eyes. Kindle has a new HDX but is that a different OS ? Could I transfer my current SS from my phone to an iPad?

Thanks for suggestions and recommendations.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DeanS]
      #6310190 - 01/13/14 12:30 PM

I would make the leap to an iPad running Sky Safari 4-- I think it's still on sale. I had SS Plus on my iPhone, and I've played with it on a Mini, but my old eyes (I'm 72) prefer the larger screen.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: mountain monk]
      #6310242 - 01/13/14 01:02 PM

Is the iPad air the new version or is there still a regular iPad?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DeanS]
      #6310853 - 01/13/14 06:47 PM

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Is the iPad air the new version or is there still a regular iPad?



You can choose iPad Air or iPad 2
http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/
But for the $100 difference, and considering the numerous iPad Air upgrades, there's really not much of a choice.

(I'm still on the fence for a new iPad--but the Air is pretty amazing...)

FWIW, I'd also consider upping the storage to 32G (or more) depending on how many images you want to store (and show on the Retina Display). I'm not sure that cellular is that important...

And SkySafari for iOS is a universal app--works on your iPhone and your iPad. (SkySafari for MacOS is a separate app for laptop/desktop Macs.)

Edited by Vic Menard (01/13/14 06:57 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Vic Menard]
      #6310890 - 01/13/14 07:00 PM

And finally, get SkySafari 4 Pro while it's still on sale ($19.99 through January 20th)!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Vic Menard]
      #6311350 - 01/13/14 11:06 PM

Downloaded it but it will not load up on my 5S iphone. Will wait and try it on what ever pad I end up with.

Thanks for helping me spend my money hahaha. Like I really need help

Update, it did finally load and start. Big file so maybe it took that long to get it all. Looks nice. Can I uninstall all the older versions still on the iPhone?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DeanS]
      #6311360 - 01/13/14 11:11 PM

I just went through the whole which iPad thing. I tried a mini and I tried an air and I went with the air. Found it to be more contarsty and better to see. Brightness was about equal.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DeanS]
      #6312207 - 01/14/14 12:21 PM

You can uninstall older versions (SkySafari 3) if you want. If you have observing lists or saved settings that you really want, be sure to copy them off using iTunes File Sharing before you delete SS3.

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      #6315114 - 01/15/14 06:40 PM

Bill,

Could you go into more detail about how to do this?

Thanks,
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Vic Menard]
      #6315332 - 01/15/14 08:26 PM

Why doesn't the telrad
circles show up?


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: John K]
      #6321582 - 01/19/14 02:37 AM

I have been so busy with other things I missed the release of SS4 and almost missed the sale on SS4 PRO. Glad I came out here tonight and saw that there was one day left on the sale. I am really looking forward to seeing all the improvements over SS3 PRO. Now I just need to get all my observing lists in there.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Cindy K]
      #6322395 - 01/19/14 03:01 PM

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Bill,

Could you go into more detail about how to do this?

Thanks,
Cindy




Cindy - I'm not Bill, but to share the files, open up iTunes on your computer and select your device with SS3 in the left pane (your iPad, iPhone or whatever). Click on the "Apps" Button at the top of the screen. (You'll see a list of the applications you have on your device and a graphical representation of all your screens on your iPhone/iPad.

Scroll down (using the scroll bar on the right) and you'll see "File Sharing" (Header) with a list of apps below it. Find SS3 and click on it. Your list(s) will have a file name(s) with a .skylist (i.e MyFavorites.skylist) suffix. Click and drag to your desktop. (If it is MyFavorites.skylist that is the Default file name and you'll need to rename the file (SS3.Skylist as an example - You just can't copy an identical filename) before continuing. You then drag the file on your desktop to the SS4 App (in the File sharing portion of iTunes.) This will put the observing list in your new app and you can confirm my looking at the bottom of the search button in SS4 to confirm your imported list is there.

If that sounds to complicated, let me know and I'll try to post some screenshots to help you out. I probably made it sound harder than it really is...

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Tora]
      #6322882 - 01/19/14 07:34 PM

I just installed Sky Safari 4 plus, it runs good looks good, nice changes, thats all, Im happy.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: kurat]
      #6322920 - 01/19/14 07:58 PM

I am really liking these new search and sort features.
Exactly what I wanted in the product.

They did a great job on this new version !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Lane]
      #6324231 - 01/20/14 01:48 PM

Will Southern Stars be making a windows rt version of Sky Safari?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: kurat]
      #6324399 - 01/20/14 03:26 PM

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Will Southern Stars be making a windows rt version of Sky Safari?



No plans to do so at this time. That doesn't mean we are not always reevaluating that position.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6325843 - 01/21/14 10:18 AM

Thanks for the reply, I understand your position, during christmas time and even right now, the surface 2 is sold out in most places and from what I was told is the demand is high, I do think Microsoft did not intend to see such high sales and decided to stock only so many, but I had a chance to use the surface 2 for a while and I did find it a nice tablet to use, it is much different then the ipad, what I liked about it was the fact you can tweak it to your own personal likings, also the ability of adding a microSD card and a usb 3 port, it did make things much easier if you are doing a-lot of transferring.
wether the surface survives and or thrives is yet to be seen, my bottom line is that I do like it although the availability of 3rd party apps are limited.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: kurat]
      #6327312 - 01/21/14 11:05 PM

Bill I emailed support yesterday wondering why the gyro feature has been removed from SS4 pro? I know the iphone 5 compass has improved but still suffers from interference thus making the gyro, at least my situation, a highly useful feature. Hoping it can be added to a future SS4 update.

Edited by Drjag2000 (01/21/14 11:07 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6327833 - 01/22/14 08:47 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Will Southern Stars be making a windows rt version of Sky Safari?



No plans to do so at this time. That doesn't mean we are not always reevaluating that position.




Bill:

Do you have any idea when the Android version will be ready?

Thanks

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6327954 - 01/22/14 09:56 AM

At least a month. Probably a bit more.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6328565 - 01/22/14 02:44 PM

The compass function on my new SS4+ seems quite a bit smoother than the SS3+ version. I wonder if it's gotten good enough for manually aiming a shortish FL scope using one of those phone or tablet brackets?

Has anyone tried this yet?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6330317 - 01/23/14 10:55 AM

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At least a month. Probably a bit more.




Thanks...

I am looking forward to the new Android version but I am more than happy with the current version, waiting a month.. no biggie.

Waiting a month when there was no Android version, now that was different, nerve racking, stressful to say the least. I had sneak around and frequent dark corners so no one could see that I had a iPhone 3G just so I could use Sky Safari.

Such temptation, what a guy will do when the pressure's on.



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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6338918 - 01/27/14 02:39 PM

Jon: +1 on the Android version - I am also patiently waiting for the new release (and I am still very happy with the 1.8.5 release).

It really did suck before the Android version of Sky Safari first came out (when my old Windows Mobile PDA died and I couldn't use Astromist any more).


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6345000 - 01/30/14 11:59 AM

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At least a month. Probably a bit more.




Cant wait to update.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #6345940 - 01/30/14 08:19 PM

Any updates coming for the Mac version?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: helpwanted]
      #6346092 - 01/30/14 09:41 PM

Yep. We'll start working on it right after the Android version is released.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6385726 - 02/19/14 10:51 PM

Can someone confirm which flip view corresponds to a refractor with a diagonal....none, hor, vertical or both? Which for dobsonian? Thx in advance.

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      #6385767 - 02/19/14 11:18 PM

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Yep. We'll start working on it right after the Android version is released.




Any target date for the Android version?


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      #6386075 - 02/20/14 05:32 AM

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Can someone confirm which flip view corresponds to a refractor with a diagonal....none, hor, vertical or both? Which for dobsonian? Thx in advance.




For dobsonian it's both. Don't know the refractor with diagonal.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DuiA1]
      #6386263 - 02/20/14 08:46 AM

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Can someone confirm which flip view corresponds to a refractor with a diagonal....none, hor, vertical or both? Which for dobsonian? Thx in advance.



You want Flip Horizontal for a refractor with diagonal.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: tjay]
      #6386267 - 02/20/14 08:48 AM

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Any target date for the Android version?



Look for something in the later half of March.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6387482 - 02/20/14 08:02 PM

Thanks. I love sky safari btw

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: tjay]
      #6393916 - 02/24/14 09:44 AM

Isn't the view in a dob simply upside down? I.e., just vertical and NOT both?

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      #6394079 - 02/24/14 11:11 AM

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Isn't the view in a dob simply upside down? I.e., just vertical and NOT both?



No, it is rotated 180º which makes it both upside down and reversed right/left.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6424164 - 03/23/14 06:49 AM

Downloaded SS4 yesterday and I have to say, so far I am very pleased. Thanks for the introductory price.
I have already added all of my scopes and some eyepieces into the database.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6424170 - 03/23/14 06:54 AM

Quote:

David,

Why would you wonder if this was 4.0 when it is called 3.8.2? As we've said, SS 4 is not due out until around the end of the year. 3.8.2 is compatible with iOS 4 through 7. SkySafari 4 will be iOS 7 only.

Bill




Bill,
I am confused, did you change the name after you made this comment?


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #6424290 - 03/23/14 09:33 AM

When I said SkySafari 4 would be iOS 7 only, I was speaking in the context of iOS. I just meant it would not run on earlier versions of iOS. We had always planned to release it on Android and Mac (in progress).

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6424336 - 03/23/14 10:17 AM

Will I be able to use my nexus 7 for telescope control?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: elmiko]
      #6424343 - 03/23/14 10:20 AM

I just bought the 1.8.5 version in February.

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      #6424410 - 03/23/14 11:04 AM

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Will I be able to use my nexus 7 for telescope control?



Sure, why not?


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      #6424415 - 03/23/14 11:08 AM

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I just bought the 1.8.5 version in February.



Contact us at our support site and we'll see what we can do.


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      #6427222 - 03/24/14 08:06 PM

Quote:

When I said SkySafari 4 would be iOS 7 only, I was speaking in the context of iOS. I just meant it would not run on earlier versions of iOS. We had always planned to release it on Android and Mac (in progress).




Will the new Mac version include a correction for the problems with the SiTech Servo driver? thanks. Ron


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Ron359]
      #6427307 - 03/24/14 08:47 PM

Don't know yet. It is hard to fix it since we don't have a SiTech that has the problem. I will try to make sure it is worked on though.

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      #6427570 - 03/24/14 11:09 PM

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Don't know yet. It is hard to fix it since we don't have a SiTech that has the problem. I will try to make sure it is worked on though.




Does that mean you have a SiTech that doesn't have the problem? Per my previous p-mail, depending on how long it takes and timing, I'm willing to loan you mine or test a beta fix. Ron


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Ron359]
      #6435116 - 03/28/14 08:27 PM

I am still running ios6 on my iPhone4 and iPad2. I have SS3 Pro already and love it. I have been considering getting SS4 after upgrading them both to ios7 but I've also read that many people are having problems with the older devices running ios7. Anyone here having these issues ?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: FrankenCub]
      #6439273 - 03/31/14 11:18 AM

Good question--I'd be interested in learning about that, too.

How are you finding the move to iOS 7 on your iPhone 4? I've held off going to iOS 7 because of reports of sluggishness, battery hit, etc. 7.1 supposedly helps, yet...

I find SS4 itself OK, but it didn't add anything that would make me want to upgrade my iOS just to get it! (I have SS4 on my iPad Air, so I've given it some runs.). Now, if SS4 had added mag controls by fov and by DSO types and improved key usability aesthetics (separate symbol sizing for planets, turned off the blinking crosshairs, and provided resizable text descriptions with reflow), I'd be upgrading my old i-devices in a jiffy!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Astraforce Paul]
      #6439302 - 03/31/14 11:36 AM

I did the update and seems much faster,programs load very fast. Didn't notice any excessive battery issues.
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: germana1]
      #6439880 - 03/31/14 05:47 PM

I installed SkySafari 4 Pro on my Android tablet last night, and have spend some time with it. I do like the app, though my 22" is just a push-around scope on an equatorial platform. But there seem to be some things missing from the database: for example, quasars. I looked for the Double quasar in Ursa Major, right next to NGC 3079, at the highest zoom (supposedly to mag 19.5), but it was not on the chart, and there seems to be no way to search for it. Also, Abell galaxy clusters and other Abell catalogs, like planetary nebulae, seem to be missing. Maybe there's a way to find these objects, but if so, I can't seem to find it. Or maybe they need to be added to the database and sky charts. Or maybe just cross-referenced. I also appreciate the introductory price.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Shneor]
      #6440041 - 03/31/14 07:40 PM

I just picked up sky safari pro upgrade and there is no "delete" button for the observing lists like there was on the older version(s). So I cannot see any way to delete an observing list I create, not any objects in the said list. Really weird!! Anyone run into this?

The observing list help says nothing about deleting them either.
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: lamplight]
      #6440382 - 03/31/14 09:02 PM

Looking forward to the android version

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: lamplight]
      #6440432 - 03/31/14 09:38 PM

Quote:

I just picked up sky safari pro upgrade and there is no "delete" button for the observing lists like there was on the older version(s). So I cannot see any way to delete an observing list I create, not any objects in the said list. Really weird!! Anyone run into this?

The observing list help says nothing about deleting them either.
Thanks




There is a new Edit button at the top of the screen. That is how you now edit lists. Tap Edit and then select an item. There are buttons at the bottom to move or delete the item.

Yes, we didn't get the Help updated yet.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: maugi88]
      #6440434 - 03/31/14 09:39 PM

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Looking forward to the android version



The Android version has been out for 10 days.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
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Quote:

Quote:

I just picked up sky safari pro upgrade and there is no "delete" button for the observing lists like there was on the older version(s). So I cannot see any way to delete an observing list I create, not any objects in the said list. Really weird!! Anyone run into this?

The observing list help says nothing about deleting them either.
Thanks




There is a new Edit button at the top of the screen. That is how you now edit lists. Tap Edit and then select an item. There are buttons at the bottom to move or delete the item.

Yes, we didn't get the Help updated yet.




That did the trick thanks! I wouldn't call it a button though , or I would have seen it.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: lamplight]
      #6441603 - 04/01/14 01:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I just picked up sky safari pro upgrade and there is no "delete" button for the observing lists like there was on the older version(s). So I cannot see any way to delete an observing list I create, not any objects in the said list. Really weird!! Anyone run into this?

The observing list help says nothing about deleting them either.
Thanks




There is a new Edit button at the top of the screen. That is how you now edit lists. Tap Edit and then select an item. There are buttons at the bottom to move or delete the item.

Yes, we didn't get the Help updated yet.




That did the trick thanks! I wouldn't call it a button though , or I would have seen it.



I think that is basically the same steps as editing and deleting the default equipment such as EP and scopes.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #6442759 - 04/02/14 12:57 AM

Is the Celestron AVX Mount SS4/SkyFi compatible? I don't see the AVX on the SkyFi "Telescope Compatibility" list.

thanks! btw, really like SS4 Pro on my iPhone 5c

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: zawijava]
      #6442973 - 04/02/14 06:46 AM

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Is the Celestron AVX Mount SS4/SkyFi compatible? I don't see the AVX on the SkyFi "Telescope Compatibility" list.

thanks! btw, really like SS4 Pro on my iPhone 5c

Tim




Just looked at the scope selection, AVX is there as an option.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: zawijava]
      #6443050 - 04/02/14 08:10 AM

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Is the Celestron AVX Mount SS4/SkyFi compatible? I don't see the AVX on the SkyFi "Telescope Compatibility" list.



If you look at the options in the Scope Setup settings, there is a choice for Celestron AVX.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6443388 - 04/02/14 11:56 AM

Yes, I see it there in SS4 Pro on my iPhone. At the time I posted though I was browsing the website for the SkyFi module. It was that "Telescope Compatibility" list that prompted my question. -Tim

Quote:

Quote:

Is the Celestron AVX Mount SS4/SkyFi compatible? I don't see the AVX on the SkyFi "Telescope Compatibility" list.



If you look at the options in the Scope Setup settings, there is a choice for Celestron AVX.




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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: germana1]
      #6447740 - 04/04/14 06:10 PM

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I did the update and seems much faster,programs load very fast. Didn't notice any excessive battery issues.
Pete




Pete, appreciate the feedback. How do you find 7.1 vs. iOS 6?!

It's pretty clear based upon what you and others have reported and tested that 7.1 > 7. But it's the equation

iOS 7.1 << iOS 6 ??

that I'm wondering about!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Astraforce Paul]
      #6448037 - 04/04/14 08:46 PM

I have the latest software on the IPad and IPHONE and battery life withe the phone always uses more battery, the iPad on the other hand lasts a long time only need to charge maby once a week. Just seems more snappy. HTH
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: germana1]
      #6450801 - 04/06/14 01:08 PM

I see the edit button to delete items from an observing list, but for the life of me can not figure out how to completely delete a list that was created. This would be super useful when creating lists for advanced searches to highlight the objects in the search temporarily and add them to another list.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: bluesteel]
      #6450883 - 04/06/14 01:54 PM

There is an Edit button in the Search screen for deleting observing lists at the bottom of the screen.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6451236 - 04/06/14 05:09 PM

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There is an Edit button in the Search screen for deleting observing lists at the bottom of the screen.



Awesome! Thank you so much for the quick response!!! Other companies could take a page out of your book for responsiveness for sure!
Keep up the great work!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Astraforce Paul]
      #6457337 - 04/09/14 09:01 PM

Quote:

Good question--I'd be interested in learning about that, too.

How are you finding the move to iOS 7 on your iPhone 4? I've held off going to iOS 7 because of reports of sluggishness, battery hit, etc. 7.1 supposedly helps, yet...

I find SS4 itself OK, but it didn't add anything that would make me want to upgrade my iOS just to get it! (I have SS4 on my iPad Air, so I've given it some runs.). Now, if SS4 had added mag controls by fov and by DSO types and improved key usability aesthetics (separate symbol sizing for planets, turned off the blinking crosshairs, and provided resizable text descriptions with reflow), I'd be upgrading my old i-devices in a jiffy!



I haven't made the move yet, it is 7.1 waiting for me but I've been a touch hesitant because last time I updated the phone bricked and had to dig out an old Microlimp PC to redo it through iTunes. Really don't want to go through that again lol. I suppose I should give it a try tonight while I have plenty of time. If all goes well I'll do my iPad too.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: FrankenCub]
      #6458154 - 04/10/14 09:50 AM

Will Sky Safari for OSX ever be updated or is the agreement with the Starry Nights guy requiring us to go that route?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Raginar]
      #6458449 - 04/10/14 12:28 PM

Yes, SkySafari for Mac will be updated to 4.0. I'm working on it now. Couple of months.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6458837 - 04/10/14 04:34 PM

Thanks Bill, wasn't sure how your agreement with Starry Nights was working out.

Glad it will be!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Raginar]
      #6462701 - 04/12/14 07:45 PM

The latest skysafari pro update added wireless support for the skyQ link. Thanks Bill!

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Drjag2000]
      #6465304 - 04/14/14 09:23 AM

Does anyone know if ss4 will work on BlackBerry z10 b10?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6465626 - 04/14/14 12:31 PM

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Yes, SkySafari for Mac will be updated to 4.0. I'm working on it now. Couple of months.




I have Sky Safari 3 Plus on my Mac. Will there be an in app/store upgrade made available?

Edited by LivingNDixie (04/14/14 12:32 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #6465666 - 04/14/14 12:55 PM

Just updated to 4 plus for android and so far I think the only thing I might miss from the older version is the longer arrow pointing to the location of polaris which I found useful for aligning my platform before dark.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DuiA1]
      #6465910 - 04/14/14 03:03 PM

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Does anyone know if ss4 will work on BlackBerry z10 b10?



No, it will not. There are no plans for a Blackberry version.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #6465912 - 04/14/14 03:04 PM

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Yes, SkySafari for Mac will be updated to 4.0. I'm working on it now. Couple of months.




I have Sky Safari 3 Plus on my Mac. Will there be an in app/store upgrade made available?



It will not be an upgrade. Just like SS4 on iOS and Android, this will be a repurchase. We will have a sale when we release it to make this easier.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Drjag2000]
      #6471132 - 04/17/14 09:03 AM

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The latest skysafari pro update added wireless support for the skyQ link. Thanks Bill!



Unfortunately, that bit of user interface was prematurely exposed and the feature does not yet fully work.

We have been working with Celestron on supporting the SkyQ link. The app we are making for them shares the same code base as SkySafari. When we built SS 4.0.5 we accidentally left that bit of code enabled.

We do expect to release a SkySafari in the next month that fully supports the SkyQ link. Until then, just ignore that option in SkySafari.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6531460 - 05/17/14 07:17 PM

Did the latest update activate the SkyQ Link functionality? Just did a "test run" and the interface seems to connect and control the scope (No alignment done yet, but the rest of the interface seems functional.) Since I am a month late checking up on the status, I thought maybe it was now working. Pretty nifty!

Edited by Tora (05/17/14 07:18 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Tora]
      #6531505 - 05/17/14 07:49 PM

There has been no latest update (at least the past month and a half). The SkyQ Link option is still only semi-functional and should not be used. We are working with Celestron to integrate the code to use it. Should be ready before too long.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6531677 - 05/17/14 10:00 PM

Thanks - Looking forward to when it does become "fully functional." Thanks for the quick response...

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Tora]
      #6531824 - 05/18/14 12:00 AM

Is there anything I can do to make the compass mode more accurate? It's often about 45 to 90 degrees off in it's reading. This is on my Samsung Galaxy SII.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: tjay]
      #6532085 - 05/18/14 07:58 AM

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Is there anything I can do to make the compass mode more accurate? It's often about 45 to 90 degrees off in it's reading. This is on my Samsung Galaxy SII.




When it's off like that, do you reinitialize the compass? One technique is wave it around in a figure 8 over your head..

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: tjay]
      #6532186 - 05/18/14 09:16 AM

The compass is really frustrating on these mobile devices. For some people it works well and for others it doesn't. I'm pretty sure this is not a bug in our code but rather glitches in the hardware.

As Jon suggested, try re-calibrating the compass. Turn the compass on using the Compass button. Then turn the device around on all three axes without touching the screen, which would turn the compass off.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: tjay]
      #6532226 - 05/18/14 09:49 AM

Quote:

Is there anything I can do to make the compass mode more accurate? It's often about 45 to 90 degrees off in it's reading. This is on my Samsung Galaxy SII.




If it is in a case, remove it.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: beatlejuice]
      #6533439 - 05/18/14 11:54 PM

Thanks!

I'll give those suggestions a try. My case is a belt clip one, so I never use it in the case.

Edited by tjay (05/18/14 11:54 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6535290 - 05/19/14 11:32 PM

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I'm pretty sure this is not a bug in our code but rather glitches in the hardware.




Me too.. It wasn't so good on my Droid Incredible but Sky Safari 4 seems to be quite accurate on both the Nexus 5 phone and the Nexus 7 (2013) tablet. Almost good enough to use as DSCs.. I would think they would work with my NP-101 which has a 4.5 degree TFoV with the 31mm Nagler.

On occasion the compass seems to be somewhat off but giving the old hand wave straightens them out.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6538357 - 05/21/14 01:46 PM

An article just came out in AppleInsider talking about how inconsistent the compass and gyroscopes are on some Android devices. To be fair, I've seen some to the same problems on iOS devices, but not nearly as frequently.

Read about it Here

This backs up my claim that the compass/gyro support in SkySafari is difficult due to the inconsistent behavior on many mobile devices.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6538693 - 05/21/14 05:09 PM

Ever since my upgrade to 4.0.5 from 1.8.5 on my Nexus 7 tablet I suspected that the earlier version was pointing more accurately to North. I normally just use the compass function to point to Polaris before it gets dark in order to roughly align my platform.
So today I decided to get a better fix on the difference. Before the following pics were taken the procedure was done 3 different times alternating between the 2 versions. There was no visible difference all 3 times.

The ruler of course has not been moved between pics.

Version 4.0.5 pointing towards Polaris:




Version 1.8.5 pointing towards Polaris:




In fact, Polaris is a little to the right of the arrow in the 2nd pic using Version 1.8.5 and thus is the more accurate by some number of degrees over Version 4.0.5.

Is the compass code different in 4.0.5? or is there as yet some unexplained reason for the difference.

In the mean time I love 4.0.5 but am glad that I have the earlier version for this one task.

Just one more thing. I know the directions in my home location quite well but just to be sure I will repeat outside later to-night (weather permitting) just to confirm the location of Polaris with respect to the 2 arrows.

Update, after comparing outside tonight the difference in accuracy is still the same but the older version is actually pointing in the direction of Polaris with an error that is so small I can’t determine what it is. To the naked eye it seems to be perfect.

So the question remains, what’s going on between the 2 versions?


Eric

Edited by beatlejuice (05/21/14 11:12 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: beatlejuice]
      #6539778 - 05/22/14 12:27 PM

I have noticed several people that have had problems with their mobile devices, whether it be phones or tablets, after upgrading to the newest operating system. Does not matter whether it was an Android or Apple operating system. Makes me question thoroughly what is going on with these updates, what other "tasks" are being put into the operating system without our consent or knowledge, and why cell phone signal drops dramatically with the new update even though the cell towers are still in the same place transmitting the same signals. Especially with cell phones, when downgrading the operating systems, the cell signal increases tremendously again, the sensors work better, and the device is overall more responsive and has less lag.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: bluesteel]
      #6548908 - 05/27/14 07:26 PM

Personally, I don't like compass mode. I tried it once or twice and immediately turned it off. I use SSP on my Android tablet like a very advanced star atlas. I don't need it to tell me which way is north.

I suppose if I set up a GEM it would be useful.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Sarkikos]
      #6561551 - 06/03/14 04:53 PM

I see the new update today (for iOS) *removes* the unfinished Sky Q Link coding from the application. Any estimate on when the final Sky Q Link compatibility will be completed for the iPhone/iPad?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Tora]
      #6561744 - 06/03/14 07:01 PM

Expect a month or so.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6561827 - 06/03/14 07:44 PM

Thanks.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6579665 - 06/12/14 11:45 PM

I bought an Orion StarSeek module for use with my AVX mount, SS Plus 4, and iPhone 5s. I would have preferred a unit with the Southern Stars graphics, but the Orion version wound up being considerably cheaper. I've only used it once so far, but it was a pleasant experience.

This might be impractical, but I wonder if it will ever be possible to use Sky Safari to perform the initial star alignment? It would be nice to avoid the use of the hand control entirely.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Joe Bergeron]
      #6580340 - 06/13/14 12:18 PM

If Sky-Q support is fully baked in, will it work with the StarSense Auto-align as well? It would be nice to remove the hand-controller entirely from my setup on my CPC.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Joe Bergeron]
      #6580497 - 06/13/14 02:16 PM

Joe,

I don't think SkySafari will ever duplicate all the functionality of the hand controller. We may be able to do a star alignment ourselves, but it would be local to SkySafari. You would not be able to use the hand controller to do a goto since it would not know about our alignment model.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Sorny]
      #6580499 - 06/13/14 02:18 PM

Sorny,

When we get the SkyQ Link fully baked, you should not need the hand controller for alignment. There still might be other functionality that only the hand controller provides.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6580512 - 06/13/14 02:30 PM

Thanks Bill,

I only use the hand controller for alignment, so being able to get by w/o it would be fantastic.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: bluesteel]
      #6586075 - 06/16/14 07:33 PM Attachment (11 downloads)

People should know by now with any update you don't update just to update. People act like sheep. I use the older version because it does everything I want and until specific things are addressed in a newer version there isn't any need to update it. I'd like to see the following in an update version....
1 T-point pointing algorithm.
2 Voice description of all objects that have descriptions. It blows my mind that people wouldn't want this. I can't imagine anything more fruitful than listening about something I'm observing. It helps observers appreciate what they're seeing. Can't read in the dark that easily.
3 A provision to put in double star perimeters so a list of specific magnitudes and limited separations can be listed.

Other than this It's a beautiful program. Hats off and the double star catalog is off the charts!


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6586270 - 06/16/14 09:04 PM

I agree. I didn't find anything that made me want to upgrade to vs. 4. But I do like the current version of Pro version that I have.
In fact I've actually liked the program since it started out (way back) as SkyChart. I still use SkyChart III.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6590197 - 06/19/14 02:53 AM

Quote:

People should know by now with any update you don't update just to update. People act like sheep. I use the older version because it does everything I want and until specific things are addressed in a newer version there isn't any need to update it. I'd like to see the following in an update version....




I won't bother explaining the various features included in version 4 that were not in version 3. I will say there is no reason to be afraid of version 4.

Jon Isaacs


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6590221 - 06/19/14 03:58 AM

I'm all ears if you'd like to add something Jon. I've asked Tim B. about it a number of times.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6590357 - 06/19/14 08:36 AM

Daniel,

I know you are a double star fan. I would think our new WDS database alone would convince you to upgrade. For stars in the WDS we now show each component pair with their mags, separations and PAs. This is vastly more detailed than in the previous version.

You've probably seen this, but this page talks about all that is new in 4.0

http://www.skysafariastronomy.com/products/skysafari/whats_new.html

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6590632 - 06/19/14 11:29 AM

I've never noticed that sheep are particularly quick to update their software. How do these misconceptions arise?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Joe Bergeron]
      #6590737 - 06/19/14 12:31 PM

I'm so glad I bought SkyFi and using it in conjunction with Sky Safari 4 - I've no affiliation what-so-ever.

I bought SkyQ link sometime last year and it never worked...£130 down the toilet. So, a few weeks ago I took the plunge and bought SkyFi.

Well, my setup includes a CGE Pro, StarSense, married up to the aforementioned Southern Stars kit and it works like a charm. I set my mount up about 25/30 or so feet away from my sofa and after StarSense has done its thing, just attach the cord coming from SkyFi to the StarSense hand controller and just sit back and enjoy scooting around the universe and watching everything being displayed on my T.V... What an absolute joy and exactly what I was looking for in a tactile wireless application.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: CHAPSKINS]
      #6590815 - 06/19/14 01:14 PM

We will be putting full support for SkyQ Link into SkySafari in the next couple of months.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6590827 - 06/19/14 01:24 PM

There's no need to insult people for upgrading their software. Some people act like intestinal parasites sometimes.

Edited by Zamboni (06/19/14 01:25 PM)


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6591207 - 06/19/14 05:17 PM

Bill,
Thank you for the feedback, it's always a pleasure. I'll take a closer look and strongly consider it.
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Joe Bergeron]
      #6591307 - 06/19/14 06:17 PM

Quote:

I've never noticed that sheep are particularly quick to update their software. How do these misconceptions arise?





In your favorite sci-fi film (my favorite as well) 2001, the moral of the story is that if man isn't watchful, vigilant or careful, the machine takes over. If the glass breaks, the spirit stays intact and you have the option to take the next evolutionary step for mankind but I'm not interested in my last supper just yet.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6592050 - 06/20/14 07:06 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I've never noticed that sheep are particularly quick to update their software. How do these misconceptions arise?





In your favorite sci-fi film (my favorite as well) 2001, the moral of the story is that if man isn't watchful, vigilant or careful, the machine takes over. If the glass breaks, the spirit stays intact and you have the option to take the next evolutionary step for mankind but I'm not interested in my last supper just yet.




Daniel:

I am quite sure that upgrading to Sky Safari 4 does not condemn one to eternal dependence on machines. It is a very good program, the best I have ever used and I am not just talking astronomy only...

but it's not that good.

If one is concerned about machines taking over, best to avoid GOTO and PUSHTO, fight the valiant fight. Get out of your car and walk or ride a bicycle, don't let your muscles atrophy. Forget the calculator and computer.. do the math in your head or at least on paper..

I am not big on upgrading, I ran XP until it was no longer supported, the CAD program I use for my drawings at work is a Windows 3.1 program that still runs under Windows 7 Pro. I am pretty much a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" sort of guy when it comes to software and computers.

But Sky Safari is different than other software, Bill and Tim do a great job with Sky Safari... new versions are not more bloatware that does nothing but add useless features and slow your computer down. These guys know what we need because they are out there using it themselves. With each version, the code is more efficient, the compass is more accurate, with each version, it offers features that help me use my time under the night sky more effectively. The advanced search features of 4 alone makes it worthwhile. If there are glitches with a version, they get it fixed muy pronto.

Another reason to upgrade: In terms of the cost to benefit ratio, Sky Safari is way off the charts.. For the price of a basic Plossl, it is a tool that adds more to my observing sessions than the 31mm Nagler, my favorite deep sky eyepiece. Bill and Tim need our support, they deserve our support.. They have designed and built this wonderful tool, I want make sure it's worth their while.

Yes, the previous versions of Sky Safari are totally awesome, amazing.. but this one is even better..

Jon


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6592066 - 06/20/14 07:19 AM

Points well taken Jon, thanks for the insight. They indeed have done a wonderful job. Sky Safari is all I ever use in conjunction with my Burnham's sky Bible.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6592314 - 06/20/14 10:33 AM

Quote:

Points well taken Jon, thanks for the insight. They indeed have done a wonderful job. Sky Safari is all I ever use in conjunction with my Burnham's sky Bible.




Daniel:

Bill and Tim continue to amaze me with what they do.. Recently the close flyby of an asteriod and they found that Sky Safari did not do a good job of predicting the path. Since the moon and the earth and at some point the sun is involved, it's three or more body problem and I do not believe there is an analytical closeform solution..

So, these guys implement a numerical solution, I would guess some sort of time difference code that computes the velocity and force vectors and then updates them in a loop with small time steps.

It amazes me to think that they are putting all this power and capability into a cell phone.. When the US went to the Moon, they would have loved to have Bill and Tim and an Smartphone or Tablet doing the computations...

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6595040 - 06/21/14 10:53 PM

Somewhat ironic since your thread "Best Hand Controller on the Planet" was what brought the possibilities of SkySafari to my attention.

GOTO M13.

I'm sorry Daniel, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Could be worse. The NSA could be tracking our observing habits.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6595045 - 06/21/14 10:56 PM

Quote:

But Sky Safari is different than other software, Bill and Tim do a great job with Sky Safari... new versions are not more bloatware that does nothing but add useless features and slow your computer down. These guys know what we need because they are out there using it themselves. With each version, the code is more efficient, the compass is more accurate, with each version, it offers features that help me use my time under the night sky more effectively. The advanced search features of 4 alone makes it worthwhile. If there are glitches with a version, they get it fixed muy pronto.

Another reason to upgrade: In terms of the cost to benefit ratio, Sky Safari is way off the charts.. For the price of a basic Plossl, it is a tool that adds more to my observing sessions than the 31mm Nagler, my favorite deep sky eyepiece. Bill and Tim need our support, they deserve our support.. They have designed and built this wonderful tool, I want make sure it's worth their while.




Off the charts indeed. In the era of eyepieces that go $500 and up (and up and up) SkySafari is a steal.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6595195 - 06/22/14 02:11 AM

it's still the best controller.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Jeff Morgan]
      #6595198 - 06/22/14 02:15 AM

The fact that my EM11 and EM200 mounts didn't come with a goto controller was a blessing because Sky Safari is the easiest and fastest alignment procedure over any other mount available.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6596400 - 06/22/14 09:10 PM

Daniel,
To align T2M and Skysafari, So the workflow is just:
1) Polar align
2) Use the Skysafari align function to align on first object
3) Align with another object for better accuracy?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Paulimer]
      #6596916 - 06/23/14 06:37 AM

Just steps 1 and 2. Just align it with any ONE star you wish on the side of the meridian you intend to view, not two. My experience has been that the more alignment stars you use, the worse the accuracy gets. That's why I really wish there was a T-point algorithm integrated the system but they haven't implemented one yet or may never.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6597353 - 06/23/14 12:09 PM

So do I need to align again if I flip the meridian?

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Paulimer]
      #6597508 - 06/23/14 01:32 PM

Not if your polar alignment is good and your axes are orthogonal.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6597917 - 06/23/14 05:33 PM

The polar alignment is flawless on that mount, no drift align needed. I tested it on a star towards the south at 215x using a cross hair for15 minutes and it didn't even budge. Now I'm wondering what that must be then. I always re-align on the other side of the meridian but I have to shut the program off and align again which is quick anyway, otherwise it seems to get confused and will be off by a couple of degrees.

This doesn't bother me too much because I only do one meridian flip in a night at most. I don't use EQ mounts for flipping around the sky because I never observe that way. I leave that for AZ mounts. I'm open to Ideas but I'm most likely going to upgrade the program per some suggestions in this thread but I doubt that would fix this unless you'd like to add something I overlooked.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6598143 - 06/23/14 07:59 PM

Sounds like there is an orthogonality problem then.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6600120 - 06/24/14 08:46 PM

The scope points quite wonderful with a one star align so it's hard for me to say. I'd have to test for cone error.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6604916 - 06/27/14 06:02 PM

Is there a way to transfer the lenses and camera settings from one iPad to another? I've transferred the mount settings by sending settings via email...but don't see the same functionality for camera and camera lenses.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: DuiA1]
      #6606023 - 06/28/14 01:40 PM

You have to actually copy the [CurrentSettings].skyset file from one iPad to the other using iTunes File Sharing. Emailing the list and opening it will not work because we only read the Equipment part of the settings if it is the default settings file that is being read.

We realize this is not optimal and are hoping to be able to share settings and observing lists in the cloud in a future release.


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: btschumy]
      #6616321 - 07/04/14 12:13 PM

My wife just got me a Samsung tablet and a friend recommended SkySafari. Does it have functionality to record an observing session if I'm trying to get a Astronomical League Observing Award? I'd like to get away from paper and be able to keep a log electronically. Is there a way to input a file (say from an AL Observing List)?

Thanks,

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: bmurphy495]
      #6617004 - 07/04/14 06:49 PM

It sure does. You can use the SkyList feature to find and display objects that are part of the observing program. There are already many lists on the Yahoo Southern_Stars (SkySafari) list at:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/southern_stars/conversations/messages
and you can always make more. There are directions on the Southern Stars website in the FAQ section... #23
http://www.southernstars.com/support/faq/skysafari.html

There are a variety of ways to get to the Observation screens where you can enter dates, times, notes, locations, equipment, seeing and transparency.

Technically you can use Android's speech-to-text but it a bit rough, but that's not SkySafari's problem.

See: https://www.southernstars.com/support/manual/observing_lists.shtml
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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: S.Boerner]
      #6619167 - 07/06/14 07:14 AM

Thanks, I just downloaded the Pro. Version last night and it seems really well done. I've used Stellarium, Google Sky, Mobile Observatory and the free version of Starry Nights.

It will take me a while to learn but at first inspection I like it. The observing lists are neat and I already managed to re-create the Stellar Evolution Observing list (from AL) in the software. The importing feature seems neat, but without AL providing them in that format, it's probably easier to re-create them in the software instead of manipulating the data from AL into a format for importing. I'm excited to be able to hook it up to the AVX and control my observing without wires.

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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: bmurphy495]
      #6622720 - 07/08/14 02:41 AM

does anybody of you know - how to import equipment to skysafari 4.0.1 on osx?
i tried it via settings-file from 4.0.6 from ios but nothing ...

regards
tom

btw. where are the settings-files saved on osx - especially the [CurrentSettings].skyset etc.?


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Re: Sky Safari 4 new [Re: tom63]
      #6625346 - 07/09/14 02:38 PM

Does anyone know which telescope to choose from the list in order to send information to an Argo Navis unit using a SkyFi link?

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