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tim57064
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In the process of Building my Observatory.
      #6105667 - 09/28/13 10:37 AM

Okay here we go. I got the go ahead to put an observatory in our backyard from the wife. Thank goodness because I was really getting tired of the time it takes to haul out the scopes,dealing with dew,and then only being able to view for a short period of time because of clouds. Sooo many times the skies would look clear or the forecast was suppose to be clear and clouds would roll in even thin high cirrus clouds will mess up your night if you want to image.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105672 - 09/28/13 10:39 AM

You won't regret it.

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wavecloud
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Scott Busby]
      #6105694 - 09/28/13 10:49 AM

What sort are you planning on making it?
Rolloff? dome? Something else?


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105704 - 09/28/13 10:57 AM

I have settled on on 10'x12' size for a roll off roof. My property is not all that large, 98'x130' including our house which is a ranch that takes up 28'x74'including the 2 car garage and a woodworking shop,16'x18' on the back of the garage.
The observatory will be directly south about 50 feet of our back deck which is off our dining room.
Now my wife will have a complete view of this as she spends most of her time at the dining table on her computer, during the day,this is her favorite spot. Being able to watch the birds and other wildlife that show up in the yard,mainly Squirrels, Rabbits,Hawks,Wood Ducks,even the occasional Muskrat and the many other species of birds we have in our area. We are by no means in the woods or even out in the country which would be so cool as would also have deer.


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csa/montana
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105706 - 09/28/13 10:57 AM

Tim, Congratulations on your upcoming build! However, this requires you to post lots of photos so we can follow along with the build.

This is one decision you won't regret. The convenience of an observatory is second to none!


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105740 - 09/28/13 11:17 AM

Well I wanted to get started on it before posting so that I could get some pic's put up of the build as I started this thread. So far, I have,or I should back up here a little bit.
In building the decks on the house a few years back, I was able to dig the footings with a one man hand auger.
I started to attempt this again for the OBS build.No Frickin' way, as I attempted to dig the first of 7 holes it took me 2 hours to get down to 24"s. So I decided to go rent a single man gas auger and give it a try. What the heck?****
No way,already this thing is kickin' my tail. No boulders, not even a rock, just solid dried out clay. I was able to get down to 36 inches after an hour fighting the auger and the auger winning.
So my next resort was to try and get my stepson here to dig the holes with his Bobcat and 12in auger. Okay,okay I know, you say why didn't you just do that to begin with?
Well first of all my backyard is surrounded by neighboring yards and completely fenced in. Second and foremost It has only been a week since I got the go ahead to build this thing and very short notice for just about anyone to come help. I am the type that when I decide to do something,I want to do it now and not wait for others.


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105744 - 09/28/13 11:19 AM

Carol and others, Thanks for your quick replies. I have pic's , I am just trying to setup what has already transpired.

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105773 - 09/28/13 11:38 AM Attachment (84 downloads)

Well I have run into a bit of a problem. I took the shots/pic's of what I have already done and tried to upload them and am not able to do so as it states they are too large. Now I thought I thought of that to begin with, yet I guess 1.45 to 2.38 meg images are also too large. I am not sure how to re-size them. Never done that before. I have a Canon T4I. Help here would be appreciated as I would love to upload them for all to see. Thanks
Well I have since taken more shots of what I have already built and this is the only one that is small enough to upload. Not sure how to set the camera,other than S3,to take smaller resolution images.

Edited by tim57064 (09/28/13 01:12 PM)


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wavecloud
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105810 - 09/28/13 12:02 PM

You sure about the Roll-off? In the windy Prairies perhaps you want the wind, dew, and light protection of a Dome. If you've already broken ground for a 10x12 ROR you could still m make a 10x10 or 10x12 dome...

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: wavecloud]
      #6105834 - 09/28/13 12:16 PM

wavecloud,I Thank you for your reply and yes, I have already broken ground. I have the floor joists already up and have chosen a concrete pier for mounting scopes on. ROR's are a good choice for my location as there are a few of them within 150 miles of me.I have already built one yet it is 75 miles away, not close enough to use on a regular basis.
The winds are rather a constant here and are frequently in the 20 to 30 mile an hour range. With the use of turnbuckles to lock down the roof when not in use, it is pretty secure. They, the turnbuckles, can also be used if the winds are a little strong while the roof is open. Thanks again for your reply.


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6105994 - 09/28/13 01:40 PM

wavecloud, I decided to build a Hip roof for the roll off design and already special ordered the Red Steel roofing for it. I thought about asphalt shingles yet the weight of that style of roofing is what has caused me to go with steel.
This will be my first time building a hip roof and I am going to make it vaulted inside for clearance issues using 2"x6"s for the trusses, hand built.
If anyone out there knows how to reduce the size of images so that I can download what I have ,around 15 shots, I would appreciate your advice here,Please. thank you.

Edited by tim57064 (09/28/13 01:42 PM)


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6106017 - 09/28/13 01:56 PM

Looks great Tim. Glad to see you went with a wood deck. The pier looks mighty nice!

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6106045 - 09/28/13 02:08 PM

Hi Tim

Photo Reducer Plug in tool

It sits in your browser window. Click, resize, check size, post


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MHamburg
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #6106488 - 09/28/13 07:27 PM

Hi Tim,
I love BD Sizer 3.3.3

Michael


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: MHamburg]
      #6107164 - 09/29/13 10:18 AM

Hello to all.I am still having trouble with uploading images.I have tried the suggestions by Tom and Beth and Michael and have had no luck. Please if you are able to,help me with this so that I am able to share with you what I have accomplished so far. Thank You

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MHamburg
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6108099 - 09/29/13 07:54 PM

Hi Tim, go to this site. You will love it.

http://en.softonic.com/s/free-download-bd-sizer-3.3.3

Michael


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wavecloud
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: MHamburg]
      #6109296 - 09/30/13 01:36 PM

Can you knock down the resolution on your camera? Or have you got a cellphone?

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: wavecloud]
      #6110826 - 10/01/13 09:30 AM Attachment (64 downloads)

Lets try this again.This is an image of the placement of the footings of which are 42" deep.

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6110862 - 10/01/13 09:52 AM Attachment (50 downloads)

here is another

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6110871 - 10/01/13 09:55 AM

Okay I finally figured out how to downsize images I want to upload here, Yeah! Thanks Michael, took a little bit yet figured out how to use bd sizer.

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6110876 - 10/01/13 09:58 AM Attachment (38 downloads)

Here is another shot,different angle.

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6110879 - 10/01/13 09:59 AM Attachment (44 downloads)

Another shot

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csa/montana
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6110880 - 10/01/13 10:00 AM

Nice! All those sacks in the foreground equal lots of work!

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6110892 - 10/01/13 10:09 AM

Carol the main part of the footing is finished in that image the main pier took all ten of those bags + another half bag I already have.
I have the walls up on the building and the outriggers and will post the images of them later after I resize them.
Have to get out there now and get busy as the Duke would say,"We're Burning daylight!"


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csa/montana
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6110896 - 10/01/13 10:11 AM

Looking at those sacks made my back hurt! We'll be anxious to see more photos of your build!

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6113963 - 10/02/13 08:27 PM

Tim it's looking real good , I'm glad to see Your feeling better to , I hope your Wife is doing better also , If memory serves last time we posts You and your Wife were not feeling so well and had a Doctors appointment ,I hope everything is OK, And put that Stepson to work

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Megabusa]
      #6114352 - 10/02/13 11:38 PM Attachment (43 downloads)

Here is another shot of the build.Walls are up as are the outriggers and roll off roof supports/4x4 posts. The steel angle iron,for the roofs v-casters,is mounted on the top plate and painted with Rustoleum flat black. I also painted the floor of the OBS last early last night as it was suppose to start raining this afternoon,it did and is suppose to continue on and off thru Saturday.

Edited by tim57064 (10/03/13 01:09 AM)


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6114366 - 10/02/13 11:52 PM

Nate,Thanks for your reply, both my wife and I are feeling much better. As far as getting help from the kids,yeah right ,like that's going to happen. Honestly though,I prefer to work by myself unless it is way to heavy for me to handle by myself. My stepson did get the footings all dug for me with his Bobcat loader though and I was very appreciative for that.A case was waiting for him afterwards.
I will tell you though even though I had just built an observatory last year at a friends house,75 miles away, I kind of forgotten how heavy those 2"x8" treated boards can be let alone with 3/4" 4x8 plywood. I worked my tail off on that OBS yet this one seems to be really kicking my tail.

Edited by tim57064 (10/02/13 11:55 PM)


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Megabusa
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6114432 - 10/03/13 12:49 AM

I did mine by myself to and I know what ya mean about the Boards getting heaver , I think every year they add weight to them It's coming out grate , can't wait to see the finished product , Keep the coming

Nate

Edited by Megabusa (10/03/13 01:02 AM)


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Megabusa]
      #6114448 - 10/03/13 01:13 AM

Nate,I had a few other things that had to get done today before the sky decided to fall. So the only 2 things I got done today were installing a window and spray painting with rustoleum flat black,the angle iron after it was installed.

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Megabusa
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6114462 - 10/03/13 01:41 AM

Quote:

Nate,I had a few other things that had to get done today before the sky decided to fall. So the only 2 things I got done today were installing a window and spray painting with rustoleum flat black,the angle iron after it was installed.


Ya I feel fa ya , I know you must be fighting time to , I think the weather over there is starting to get cold also

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Megabusa]
      #6114592 - 10/03/13 06:04 AM

looks like it is coming along nicely
Norm


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: stmguy]
      #6115748 - 10/03/13 05:38 PM

Thanks Nate and Norm for your comments. All I got accomplished today was painting the siding for the OBS in my garage. Been raining most of the day and suppose to continue on and off thru Saturday.I had 11 4'x8' sheets and it took 1 1/4 gallons of Behr all in one primer and paint to get the job done. Good thing I had the extra 1/4 gallon left over from painting my woodworking shop a few years ago. The cost of paint has really gone up in the past couple of years!

Edited by tim57064 (10/03/13 05:39 PM)


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6116165 - 10/03/13 09:54 PM

Tim, it's really coming along nicely. The first night you view from your new observatory, you will forget how heavy those boards, etc. were! It will all be well worth it!

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6116816 - 10/04/13 09:21 AM Attachment (46 downloads)

Thanks Carol,I appreciate all the comments of encouragement from everyone on the cloud.The most difficult part for me is coming up. I plan to build a Hip roof for the OBS. Now I have never built a Hip before and since I have already ordered and received the red steel roofing,there's no going back and building a gable end style roof.
I am using 2"x6" boards and making it a vaulted ceiling so as to have plenty of head room for the scopes.

One thing I really wish I had done,was had my 10" LX200 scope here when before I had poured the pier. As it stands now,The pier height from the floor up is 48 3/4" tall. I had planned to make the wallsto a 6' height yet after pouring the pier,had to go with the 4' height. I am 6'3" tall yet and with the walls now set at a height of 86 1/2", so that the one scope stays within the OBS,I am going to have to build a platform around the pier base so I will not have to use a ladder for viewing lower in the sky. I feel so much like an idiot for not having checked the height of the LX200 10" at zenith before pouring the pier.

There will be times when I want my CR150 HD 6" Refractor mounted on the pier ,so the height of the pier will be an advantage,yet will still have to add an additional pier extension to it so I am not on my knees to view thru it. There seems to be way too many variables to think about when building this permanent structure.

The one main thing to consider for me, was and still is aesthetics of the OBS as far as my wife is considered. She has stated the outrigger portion looks like a car port. I will have to think of something to kind of disguise or otherwise enhance the looks of that end somehow. The OBS is next to the area that is our vegetable garden. In fact,the support posts are partially in the garden.

Edited by tim57064 (10/04/13 09:48 AM)


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6116856 - 10/04/13 09:43 AM

I have a question for anyone that has used steel roofing for their OBS. Normally when steel is used for roofing on a pole barn , you place purlins on the trusses and attach the roofing to them.
I am using 7/16" OSB plywood for the substrate on the roof then placing the steel on that.
The roof will have a 3/12 pitch so as not to block as much of the view when rolled off.

There are 2 main reasons for the OSB sheathing in my opinion. One reason is without it,using purlins,condensation will form on the underside of the steel as it has on a previous OBS build I have done.
The other reason in my mind, at a 3/12 pitch,with snow on the roof, OSB will strengthen the roof.
Now, Is there really a need to apply roofing felt prior to the steel? You definitely would if using asphalt shingles,yet is it really necessary for steel?
Stupid question Right? Of course, the more protection the better. Just thought I would throw that out there and get some insight since I have only used this type of roofing once before..

Edited by tim57064 (10/04/13 09:46 AM)


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6117218 - 10/04/13 12:46 PM

yes as I think you will still get condensation on the underside of the steel roofing panels. I used steel roofing panels , plywood, and used a self sealing membrane from Home Depot as I didn't want to take any chances of leaks
Norm


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: stmguy]
      #6117234 - 10/04/13 12:53 PM

Yes use the paper. Like Norm said, you still want the vapor barrier. Another good reason for the OSB on the roof is to strengthen the structure, especially if you motorize it.

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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Scott Horstman]
      #6117381 - 10/04/13 02:33 PM

Thanks, Norm and Scott for your replies. I will definitely use either 15 or 30 lb tar paper for added protection.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6117639 - 10/04/13 05:00 PM

Tim , I think it was you asking about a seal to keep dust down on a other Tread for your ROR Obs, This would be something to look into , Because of the radius of My Dome I could Not get it to work , But this Stuff could be used on All Sides of a ROR Obs. www.Memtechbrush.com

Nate


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Megabusa]
      #6117942 - 10/04/13 08:29 PM

Nate,thanks for the link. I checked those out and it appears as though the bristles would not be long enough to be useful for my application. thanks anyway.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6118291 - 10/05/13 12:36 AM

Try here; all different thickness/lengths

Link

I had planned on using these on the railing sides; but am very happy with the garage door strips.


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6118675 - 10/05/13 09:27 AM

Carol,Thank You for the link. I believe though that the price is way more than I can afford or would like to spend.Maybe,I will look into what you have,the garage door strips,hopefully they won't be too high in cost.
I attached the casters yesterday to the 2'x8' boards yesterday and wow they are going to be quite a bit higher off the top plate of the wall than I had anticipated.
With the design I have now,4" V casters
,the roof will be rolling at least 7 inches higher than the top plate of the walls. On the other OBS I built the casters are smaller and only have the roof rolling about 4 inches higher than the walls. I guess this is no big deal though.


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tim57064
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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6118689 - 10/05/13 09:37 AM

It is only going to be 52 degrees f today,burr,yet if the rain holds off,I am going to try and get something done outside. I do not like to have construction lumber out when it can get wet as it tends to warp when not secured properly,if you know what I mean. Guess I worry too much when it comes to this though as house construction always goes on in all kinds of weather.
Blizzard still going on 200 miles to the west and we could still get more rain here thru tomorrow. Extremely weird weather here,Tornadoes 90 miles away last night while Blizzard going on a less than a couple hundred miles to the west.

Edited by tim57064 (10/05/13 09:43 AM)


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6119015 - 10/05/13 12:55 PM

Tim, This is what I used.

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the roof will be rolling at least 7 inches higher than the top plate of the walls.



However, it you are going to have a gap this large, this stripping will not cover it. I have a very small gap between the roof and the base of the observatory. I worry that you will be getting lots of uninvited "guests" thru a gap that large. You may have to figure some sort of cover on the outside of the building, attached to the moving roof section.


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6119090 - 10/05/13 01:57 PM

Carol, I guess I should have stated a little more than the gap height. I do plan to install a skirt to cover the gap distance and the way you took care of closing the gap left over would work for me. Thank you for your continued replies and help. Tim

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      #6119105 - 10/05/13 02:14 PM



You're most welcome, Tim!


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      #6119702 - 10/05/13 09:57 PM Attachment (43 downloads)

Today I got the casters mounted on the 2"x8" runners and placed on the top of the walls.Even though I have been working on this project for merely a week,it doesn't seem to be going fast enough. I think I would be further along if the weather would just co-operate. Today only got to 45 degrees f and rain threatened all day. Tomorrow is another day yet with a 40 percent chance of rain again,I feel as though not much will be accomplished again. Hopefully forecasters will be wrong.

I stated above that I have merely been working on this build for a week yet after going back to another thread that I had discussing concrete,I realized that I had started the OBS build on Sept.24th so it has been 2 weeks now since I started. Good grief ,am I getting that old to where I forget so easily the time that has passed. No wonder I feel as though this is going so slow.

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In the last image, the window is facing north towards our house. Here is a send image of the back side showing the runner with the casters in place. Tomorrow I am going to see about getting the siding on that I painted in the garage on Thursday. Even though the wood the casters are mounted on is not treated,they are quite heavy at 12' long.

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      #6120024 - 10/06/13 03:27 AM

(Cloudy) I see what you are saying about the Weather TIM ,It kind-Da reminds Me of when I lived in Louisiana, I hope it clears up Fa-Ya , If not you might have to turn your Obs into Noah's Ark

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Hello,Today I got the siding,that I painted in the garage last Thursday, and the door installed. I have yet to pick up the 1"x4"s for the vertical trim to make this look like board and batten style siding.
Tomorrow if all goes well, I hope to get a good start on building and installing the Hip Roof Trusses.
The weather has changed for the better for the next 3 days it will be in the mid to upper 70's , so gotta get my tail in gear and get this thing done.


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      #6123977 - 10/08/13 01:08 AM

Looks great Tim! And you're making great progress despite the weather issues.

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      #6124296 - 10/08/13 08:27 AM

Thank You so much Bob,I appreciate the sentiment yet I surely wish that it was as cool looking and as large as yours. My wife is right,After getting the siding on,It now does look like just a big box sitting out in the yard.

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      #6124336 - 10/08/13 08:48 AM

Last night I went out and spent a little time inside to see how well the height of the walls blocked the annoying lights from around the neighborhood. It works great as far as the neighbors,yet the street light that is on the northwest corner of my property now can be clearly see from inside the OBS.
This was one light I was really hoping to avoid. The light actually shines over the front wall and reflects off the back wall.
My thoughts are,to tear down the OBS now and forget about the whole thing,Not, No Way. Too much invested. What I would like to know is if anyone out there has successfully dealt with their power company and either had a street light moved to a different location or,were able to get them to put a switch on it? I would like to thank anyone that can help in this matter ahead of time.

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      #6124355 - 10/08/13 08:56 AM

You might want to consider some kind of a swing up panel to block that light. Something like a piece of plywood attached near the top of the wall with hinges. When you roll the roof off, you could swing the panel up into place and latch it. Just a thought.

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      #6124425 - 10/08/13 09:33 AM

Dan, Thanks for your advice and reply. I was thinking possibly of something like that as a temporary solution while I deal with the power company. The light shines down on my back wall about 20 inches or so and if I stand towards the back wall,I can clearly see the offending light. Extremely annoying as I have already spent enough on this build. Thanks

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What I would like to know is if anyone out there has successfully dealt with their power company and either had a street light moved to a different location or,were able to get them to put a switch on it? I would like to thank anyone that can help in this matter ahead of time.





Don't know how it is elsewhere, but here they will not allow a switch to be installed. Rather ask them if they could "shade" paint the side reflecting on your house (don't mention the observatory)!

My power company did this willingly for the yard light that used to be in my yard.


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6124507 - 10/08/13 10:15 AM

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I would like to know is if anyone out there has successfully dealt with their power company and either had a street light moved to a different location or,were able to get them to put a switch on it? I would like to thank anyone that can help in this matter ahead of time.




Hi Tim -- It doesn't hurt to explain the situation and ask.

I had a HPMV light ~ 30 ft from our house that shined directly into the bedroom window a while back where we lived. We requested the PUD to remove or shield it, and they applied some kind of coating to the inside facing the house that dramatically reduced the brightness.

So I would try that route.


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      #6124512 - 10/08/13 10:16 AM

Call your power company and ask. You never know till you try. Just explain to them what you're doing and why it's important. Even a simple metal shield would work.

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      #6124524 - 10/08/13 10:20 AM

not sure what color your inside walls are but I painted mine flat dark blue which helped with reflections somewhat. You could also build a shade of plastic pipe and black plastic if the plywood is too heavy.

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      #6126143 - 10/08/13 11:51 PM

Carol,Hello again.We have got to quit meeting like this. Sorry,Bad ,very bad attempt at humor.

In all seriousness, I called the electric company today and they are supposedly going to call me back tomorrow so I will see what happens then. If they do return my call,I am thinking I will ask or suggest the possibility of putting up a screen/shade of some kind to block the light intrusion. Thanks again for your continued help and advice.


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      #6126166 - 10/09/13 12:06 AM

Thanks your your replies Bob, Chris-SD. As I just stated in my reply to Carol, I did call the electric company and we will see what comes from that.

Norm,Thanks for your reply. I haven't gotten that far yet,as far as finishing off the interior.Though as I said in my statement last night,the light intrudes so terribly that it actually shines directly in my eyes. As the OBS has yet to be finished,hopefully in the next couple of days,I will have a solution for the light intrusion by then. A shield on the street light fixture may be a good choice yet not sure,since I can clearly see the entire fixture. Will just have to wait and see.

You know before I was given the okay to build,by my better half,that particular light was not a problem as I was closer to the ground. You don't realize how 2' in height really changes your field of view and the the problems that may arise. Oh well,I will deal with it one way or another.


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      #6126180 - 10/09/13 12:21 AM Attachment (40 downloads)

Okay,an slight update. I spent an hour and a half this morning squaring up the plates attached to the casters of which the roof rafters will be attached to. After which I was finally able to get started on the roof structure itself.
I was able to get 6 of the 8 main rafters up on the building along with the very small ridge beam,a little over 2 feet long. Also was able to get 2 of the 4 Hip rafters up.
Will see how far I can get tomorrow,hopefully by the end of the day I will have at least half of the roof sheathing up.
Rain suppose to be on the way again on Friday then clear for the weekend,yet colder, then rain again Monday and Tuesday, so I need to have the roof sealed up.


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      #6126200 - 10/09/13 12:35 AM Attachment (35 downloads)

As you can see in the last image,I just ran the rafters long and will take care of them just before I sheath the roof. As I said before,this is my first attempt at building a Hip roof. When I had gotten the first 2 sets of rafters up with the ridge beam, I stepped back to take a look at it. What the heck,when facing the front of the building while standing on my deck near my shop,it was clear that the ridge was not level. Long story short,one of the rafters was out away from the building too far causing the lean. Took at least 40 minutes to figure that out and take care of it.

You know,I think building Our kitchen cabinets and cedar chests and things of that nature are easier than putting up a building by yourself.

Here is another shot of a different angle of what I was able to get done today.


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      #6126207 - 10/09/13 12:39 AM Attachment (32 downloads)

One last image showing the days accomplishments.

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      #6126291 - 10/09/13 02:32 AM

Any dew that forms on a hip roof can flow off the edge into the observatory unless the roof rolls far enough off the building or you install a small gutter to catch the water.

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      #6126556 - 10/09/13 08:57 AM

JJK, Thank you for your reply. The roof length is 13 feet and with that in mind prior to building,I made the outriggers,hopefully long enough to handle that.They extend off the building to 13 feet 9 inches.

Not a bad idea though to attach a gutter all around so that the occasional torrential rain coming off the roof is properly taken care of. Thanks again.

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      #6128262 - 10/10/13 01:18 AM

Looking good TIM , I like the Hip Roof design

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Thanks Nate,I like the design also. The thing I am finding that I do not like,is having never built this style of roof before ,it is a pain and takes way too long.I was hoping to be installing the roofing by now. Yesterday I was only able to get half of the creeper rafters up. Having a second pair of experienced hands on this particular style of roof,would be a more enjoyable experience.

The other thing is,I have a son that loves to pointing out what I could have done better. Now he has a family of his own and beside his regular job, he is continually working side jobs as he has been a full time construction contractor in the past.
I love the kid yet as the saying goes,"Don't you just love to hate em ?" Loads of advice after the fact.

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When I built My house I went Hip Roof , mainly because of the winds here , and I like the looks better , On a ROR design I think the Hip is better , you don't have the Gable side of the Wall sticking up , I would think it would be easier to make a close and even gap all the way round also, And yes I would agree some times a Hip could be a challenge , When I lived in Louisiana I built My Wife a 14' round Gazebo , From the top of Brass Cone that I used to close in the top to the bottom of the Roof was 18'-6" , What a steep Pitch , My Storage Buildings and My Control-Room on My Obs is a Hip Roof design , I guess you can say we are all(HIP) here

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      #6129026 - 10/10/13 12:43 PM

Very nice! I remember building the roof on my observatory. It was the first roof I've ever done. After a few days of reading and watching you-tube videos, I got it done in 3hrs.

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I used 2x6 framing in my roofs also. I wanted all the weight I could muster up. Mine would have also been hips but I wanted to match the house inch for inch right down to the slightest detail. That way it doesn't look like an after thought. Also I used architectural grade asphalt shingles to match the house. They weigh more than standard asphalt shingles and withstand heavy hail also! Mike

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Very nice! I remember building the roof on my observatory. It was the first roof I've ever done. After a few days of reading and watching you-tube videos, I got it done in 3hrs.



Three hours! Come on now,I have been working on mine for the past 3 days. Did you use pre built trusses then? I have done a bit of construction in my time yet never a hip roof before. How big is your roof. I believe I followed your build yet do not remember.


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      #6129955 - 10/10/13 09:43 PM Attachment (22 downloads)

Well hello again to all.
I did the best I could today.
Tried to get the roof totally enclosed, yet,with the 2 separate nail guns jamming up and finding out the nails I had were junk,all I could do is finish off the creepers that were left to do from yesterday and get all but 4 small pieces of the roof sheathing attached. No felt on yet so if it rains tomorrow ,as it is suppose to will be dealing with water again.
Sorry folks,I guess I not only tend to ramble on in person, I do it here also. Here is a pic from today.


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Another angle.

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One last shot for the day.

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      #6130174 - 10/10/13 11:33 PM

Mike / mikey cee as you can see now, I opted not to build the split roof design. My wife had a little to do with that.She said that it looked like wings and did not like it. I had drawn up quick sketch for her to get an idea of what it would look like.
If I had gone ahead with the split,I would not be as far along as I am now. I think it would have looked cool though with the 4"x6" timber framed outrigger roof supports,mortised and tenoned together, I had planned.
As always,thanks for your reply.

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      #6130307 - 10/11/13 01:31 AM

Tim it looks like you got the heavy stuff done , Its coming along good , When I was at this point with mine , I went down to one Ibuprofen a day from three

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      #6130530 - 10/11/13 08:20 AM

Ah, yes, Ibuprofen. A must for building an observatory. I am lucky that I am beyond that point!

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      #6130659 - 10/11/13 09:52 AM

We had a little bit of rain this morning ,not enough to leak thru the seams of the roof sheathing.Winds are suppose to gust to 40 mph today so I am glad I got the full size sheets up yesterday.
My neighbor dropped off some 30 lb tar paper this morning! A few days ago he told me not to buy any as he had some that he has had for a while and had no use for it.
So as soon as I know the rain has passed,I will be out there to finish up the few pieces of roof sheathing that are left and put the paper on.
Do not think I will attempt installing the steel roofing though with the winds as high as they are,at least not by myself. That stuff will cut right thru ya.

I also have been on the Ibuprofen regimen. Times though it does not help much.


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      #6130691 - 10/11/13 10:03 AM

Tim, it's coming along very nicely! That roof is beautiful!

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      #6130694 - 10/11/13 10:04 AM

Steve,your AP 1600GTO mount would be a pipe dream for me. Something that would truly enhance my viewing and imaging endeavors.

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      #6130703 - 10/11/13 10:10 AM

Thank you so much Carol. I hope that soon,very soon I will have it completed in time to view and image the Orion Nebula before winter sets in. My dream is to be able to view/image from the comfort of my heated woodworking shop some 60 feet away.
There will be no need to automate the roof just the scopes and my camera.


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      #6131918 - 10/11/13 08:28 PM

I'd think about automating it. You have no idea how wonderful it is.

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      #6131945 - 10/11/13 08:42 PM

Thanks Tim. The AP160GTO and associated software is one very nice piece of equipment. Your observatory is looking really good! It is an exciting project for sure. All the little details at the end are lots of fun but will keep you thinking. Love this thread.

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      #6131970 - 10/11/13 08:57 PM

Chris hello,Thank you for your response. My reasoning for not automating the Observatory roof is, it is not cost effective for me. I do not think I could get my wife to go along with the added cost. Besides,like I said,it is only about 60 feet away. I do want to run both the scope's mount and my camera remotely though. I do love the idea though.

Steve,Thank you for your kind words. It is exciting to be getting close to finishing the OBS. I still have electrical to run inside and 'til next spring I will b running an extension cord out to it.I can deal with that for a while.
I will be putting a female adapter style plug on the outside of the building to make it easier to plug into it.I believe they are kind of like an rv plug of some kind.
I'll be checking those out next week.
Carpeting will be going down inside soon also,as soon as I get the skirting installed around the gap between the top plate and the casters.


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Hi all,Yes it's me again. Today was a little fruitful. It started out a little slow. I got started around 9 this morning as it was just slightly cooler than yesterday and the clouds acted like they were going to open up the flood gates.Thankfully that did not happen.
It was quite windy again today though with gusts up to around 40 again.
I was able to finish up the remaining 3 small corner pieces I had left over from yesterday.
Before that, my neighbor showed up with a partial roll of felt paper for the roof as he had told me not to buy any since he had some. I thanked him and got to work again.
Before too long though,I realized I was not going to have enough and ran out with about 20 feet left to cover.
Well another trip to Menards was in store,no pun intended.
I needed the wood for the Fascia and gutter apron anyway so away I went.

When I returned, an hour and a half later,I finished installing the 20 feet that were left. Now I have merely 130 more feet of felt roofing paper and no where for it.
Storage yes,another project, maybe,hopefully a while from now though.

Okay,next on the agenda was to get the Fascia installed.
My original thoughts on this were to use 1"x6" boards,Douglas Fir,and just paint. Well I stuck with the Fir ,yet went with 1"x8"'s at 8 feet long instead. Joints you say.
Quite alright for me,this isn't a mansion.
It may be my home once in a while the way I get myself into trouble with My wife though. She has already labeled it my new home,smirkenly as she said it.
So any way,I was able to finish the Fascia and started in on the gutter apron before quitting for the night at 6pm.

So cleaned up work area ,got myself cleaned up and had supper by 7 pm. Kind of late for me ,normally. Now on here and watching Nascar Nationwide from Charlotte Motor Speedway.

Here is the first of a few shots I took before the sun went down.

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Here is another at a different angle of today's progress.

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And another

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I know,just a box with a cap on it. Whats the big deal Right? Well here is a shot from inside ,up at the rafters. Way tooo many angles.
All Hand built,cheaper yet a real pain.

Oh by the way,the winching strap you see in the pic was used to square up the roof, since I was by myself,to keep it square while I got all the Rafters in place and corner braces on.
Just haven't taken the time to remove them yet.

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Opposite side of underside of roof.

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Here is a closeup of the casters I chose to use. Thanks to the link provided by Bob of the Mad Observatory,I was able to purchase the greasable Casters that have a 700 lb capacity,for $11.00 each from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/RWM-Castors--V-Groove-Bearing-Capacity/dp/B00426CB5U/re... This was an excellent deal. Thanks again Bob for the link on your OBS build thread.

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Last but not least tonight.One more shot of the casters used and one of the 4 turnbuckles I had used on the other OBS I had built at a friends house,Of Course with his help at the time. This one,so far only help I have gotten was my stepson providing the Bobcat and his time to dig the footings. Paid for by a case of cold Malt and Barley.

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      #6132095 - 10/11/13 10:08 PM

You are very welcome Tim, and your excellent work and the observatory are coming along great!!

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      #6132216 - 10/11/13 11:21 PM

I have made a list of possible names for my Observatory and would like to know what others think of them.

"The Hawk OBS",Because we continually have hawks that come around and chase after the rabbits and Sparrows.

"The Outer House",That was my wife's suggestion as in my new home for when I get in trouble with her I guess,not sure.

"The North Wind OBS" My thought as the winds are furious here quite often.

"The PRST OBS" Those are the initials of our kids.Pronounced the Pursed. Too many grandkids to list,12 of them, and their first initials do not spell anything.Name Not favored by my wife.

"Red Roof OBS" As that is the color of the steel roofing we have chosen to use.

"The TSD OBS" as in Tea,South Dakota

"Cloudy Sky OBS" You Know why I think.

"Clouds Break OBS" or "The Clouds Park OBS" You should also know why.

"Dakota Skies OBS" As in I live under them.

"The TEA POT OBS" As I live in Tea and my wife collects TEA POTS. I get her a new set every Christmas and she has over 50 sets. Also we have a city wide celebration once a year that is called TEA POT Days and there is a huge painting of a TEA POT on the main Water Tower. Also of course,because of Sagittarius,The Great. Kind of a triple or quadruple relationship here.

That is a list of names I have and would like any and all comments on the list.

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      #6132773 - 10/12/13 10:46 AM

Yes Tim the 1x8"s are preferred by me also. It gives your roof the look of heft over "spindly" looking 1x6's. Mike

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      #6133108 - 10/12/13 01:27 PM

Well if I lived in South Dakota, North Winds would seem about right.

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      #6133131 - 10/12/13 01:50 PM

Great job on the roof!

AS far as names, given the story, I kind of like the TEA POT OBS. Then again, there are a lot of good names to chose from.


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      #6133980 - 10/12/13 10:29 PM

Mike,yeah the 1"x 8"'s do look a lot better than the 6"ers. Thanks for your comment.

Steve,I kind of like "The North Winds OBS" myself yet still undecided. Thanks.

Adam,Thanks for your kind words. "The Tea Pot OBS" seems appropriate yet the wife still does not seem to be warming up to it yet. Even though she could care less about astronomy,she still comes out on occasions when I ask,to take a look thru the eyepiece.

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Well today started out a little slow again.
My plan was to get the steel roofing installed.
I started by getting all of the gutter apron installed and thought I had enough. I need exactly 48 feet of gutter apron and had purchased 50 feet.
You would think that would have been enough,yet after having about a 3 inch over hang for each seam,at the end,it was 1 single inch short,exactly one inch.
No way,I was going to have to go back and get another 10 feet to get that one inch. After looking in the garage, I just happened to find a 3 foot long section I had left over from my woodworking shop build.
With no time to celebrate,cut a 4 inch piece off and took care of it.

Well then I needed to call Menards for some reason,I do not remember why and after talking to a friend there,that just happened to answer the phone, he had asked what I was using to cut the roofing material.
I had explained that I had worked with some used steel roofing on my friends OBS and had used my circular saw and a concrete blade with good results.
He immediately told me,with no reservations, Not to use the saw on the new steel as it would void the paint warranty.
So I chose not to cut it the way I had planned.
What the heck then? Well my friend said that he had an offset metal sheer that attaches to a drill and I could use it if I wanted. No brainer right? I would just have to wait til he got off work at 2:30 pm in order to get it from him.
That was 10:30 this morning. That would be 4 hours away before I could start putting the roofing on.
Before I got the call from my friend,I tried my hand operated metal snips that took me a half hour to find. It took me 30 minutes to cut 2 pieces for the roof.

Then,
2:30 arrived and no call,3:15 and I was able to get the tool to get started, Thank Goodness.
It only took me 2 hours to get half of the roof installed by having that drill operated metal sheer.
I quit for the night at 5:30 pm satisfied as I will have one more day,Sunday, before the rain comes on Monday to finish the roof.

Here is a pic of the half that is done,except for the Hip ridge cap.

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      #6134170 - 10/13/13 01:13 AM

Looks good!

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      #6134939 - 10/13/13 12:44 PM

Tim very,very nice build you have going. Love the roof.

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      #6135435 - 10/13/13 05:20 PM

Yeah, the roof looks wonderful!

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Thanks much Chris,Tom and Steve for your very appreciated approval.

I spent today finishing up the roof and then had one honey do list item that needed to be taken care of.
Gutters needed to be cleaned before the rain coming tomorrow.
So here a couple of shots of the now finished roof showing the ridge cap.


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Here is another at a different angle.

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And one last shot for the day.

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      #6136112 - 10/13/13 11:57 PM

Looking good Tim ,Got your drip edge up and your roof done , Pretty soon you are going to be looking at the Stars ,

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      #6136121 - 10/14/13 12:02 AM

Thanks Nate, The true test will be tomorrow and Tuesday as to whether it will weather the storm. Suppose to rain for the next 2 days and need to get the skirting and vertical boards on, to finish the siding.

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      #6136172 - 10/14/13 01:02 AM

I'm sure it will hold up to the weather with no problems , I don't recall seeing , but you do have a way to lock down the Roof from winds rights ?

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Nate, thank you for continuing to comment and for asking questions regarding my OBS. Yes , I do have 4 Turnbuckles,1 in each corner inside the OBS that lock it in place when closed.you can see one of them in this shot.

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      #6136622 - 10/14/13 10:42 AM

Wow ,Am I glad I got the roof finished yesterday. The rain gods have opened the the faucets again for the third time in the month I have been working my Scopes new home. Now it is only going to get colder with every passing day.

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      #6136702 - 10/14/13 11:26 AM

Your roof job looks really nice!

Have you decided on how you are going to close that gap where the wheels are? That will let in a lot of moisture, not to mention bugs and possibly critters.


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      #6136773 - 10/14/13 11:57 AM

Thanks again Carol. I have decided to use a 2"x12" board on the west side for a stop when closing and 1"x 12"'s on the other sides for the skirting. Then to close the small gap,I am considering your choice of the garage door seal.
My son suggested the same material that is used on the sides of garage doors that seals them up on the outside.Yet I think that rubber would wear out too fast as it is fairly thin.

I am going to use your idea of the paint brush for over the angle iron that the casters roll on to cover that area.


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      #6136851 - 10/14/13 12:28 PM

Sounds good, Tim.

The garage door seal for the bottom of doors that I used, is pretty stout, yet flexible; and I don't foresee it wearing out. I'm not familiar with the side of the door seal.


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      #6136952 - 10/14/13 01:07 PM

Even though it is not ready for it yet, I have been thinking about what to use for the interior sheathing/finished walls. My wife keeps asking me if I am going to use drywall yet it would take more time to finish that then it would to just use plywood.
Also I was thinking that sheet rock would also tend to absorb humidity more and while the roof was open if dew formed the moisture might cause a problem unless I went with what is sometimes referred to as "Blue Board". What I believe to be a wet location drywall, much more expensive.

I know quite a few on here have just left the walls unfinished or just painted the stud walls,yet I would like the studs covered.
What do you all suggest?
Do you insulate if it is not going to be heated?
Seeing how the roof is not totally sealed to the building,isn't insulating just a waste?
I would appreciate any and all comments,thoughts on the subject.
I plan to hang my Bass Guitars on the walls and use the area during the day for playing them. That way I won't be bothering my wife at any time while playing them in the house.

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Seeing how the roof is not totally sealed to the building,isn't insulating just a waste?




When the roof is closed, it should be pretty well sealed to the building. I can go in mine during daylight, close the door, and see absolutely no daylight anywhere.

I used pegboard that I painted for the walls. In the photo you can also see the garage door bottom strip to seal the wheel area.


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Nate, thank you for continuing to comment and for asking questions regarding my OBS. Yes , I do have 4 Turnbuckles,1 in each corner inside the OBS that lock it in place when closed.you can see one of them in this shot.


Opps Sorry I missed that in the other Photo , , It looks like your at the point where you could work inside your Obs if the weather is bad ,

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Even though it is not ready for it yet, I have been thinking about what to use for the interior sheathing/finished walls. My wife keeps asking me if I am going to use drywall yet it would take more time to finish that then it would to just use plywood.
Also I was thinking that sheet rock would also tend to absorb humidity more and while the roof was open if dew formed the moisture might cause a problem unless I went with what is sometimes referred to as "Blue Board". What I believe to be a wet location drywall, much more expensive.
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Tim , I'm against the Drywall , because in the dark you will bang things around , I used 5/8" Thick 4'X 8' Smart siding on the inside as well as the outside , At the time I got it ,it was about $28.00 a board , It is more expensive , but I think worth it , I would Insulate the walls , Just like your ROR Obs has some openings , My Dome does also , But still cuts way down on the Humidity & Temp if Insulated , When on super hot days I would turn on the AC for a few Hours , after turning the AC off it would remain cool for a good time if I don't keep opening the door , Insulated Walls works for me ,

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      #6137720 - 10/14/13 07:45 PM

Carol & Nate,I want to thank you both for your responses.

Nate,We've had bad weather all day today.There were times where the rain was coming down sideways and what was coming off the roof was being blown back up into the air. You could clearly see that happening on the OBS from inside our house.
I have not been out there all day because of rain yet I am sure,since the skirting is still not on, that the floor of the OBS is probably very wet.
At least it is protected since I painted the floor not long after installing.
The rain is suppose to persist thru tomorrow and we have already had over 2 inches today alone,so far.


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      #6137898 - 10/14/13 09:32 PM

I'd just leave it studs since you want to run remotely from the garage.

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Quote:

Carol & Nate,I want to thank you both for your responses.

Nate,We've had bad weather all day today.There were times where the rain was coming down sideways and what was coming off the roof was being blown back up into the air. You could clearly see that happening on the OBS from inside our house.
I have not been out there all day because of rain yet I am sure,since the skirting is still not on, that the floor of the OBS is probably very wet.
At least it is protected since I painted the floor not long after installing.
The rain is suppose to persist thru tomorrow and we have already had over 2 inches today alone,so far.


I'm sorry to hear about all that bad weather you guys are having ,

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      #6138502 - 10/15/13 08:20 AM

Wow, when it rains, it must REALLY pour. Two inches??? Be glad it is not snow, I guess.

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      #6138683 - 10/15/13 10:00 AM

Tim I enclosed my ceilings with 1/4" AC plywood and nailed it off with 3d box galvnized. You could use an air nailer if you had one. It's work but it gives the roof a finished look and keeps the wasp and spider nests out permanently. Mike

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      #6138760 - 10/15/13 10:48 AM

We had a total of 2.76 inches of rain and at times it was coming down horizontally.
I went out to check the OBS this morning and to my surprise,even with no skirting covering the gap between the roof and the walls,there was NO Water inside on the floor! Yeah! There was some paper towels I had left out there also and they were dry too. Unbelievable.
Now it has to quit drizzling so I can get back to work. I have some extra items to go back to Menards and can use that money to get the skirting material and the vertical boards for the siding and trim.

Thanks Nate and Steve for your replies. Yeah, 2 3/4"'s of rain would have been well over 2 feet of snow. Like what Rapid City got a week ago.

Mike,I do want to cover the ceiling. Since I have 2"x6" rafters,thinking of insulating them also. Then the 1/4" ac plywood would be easy and light enough to install.Would look really nice finished off also.
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We had a total of 2.76 inches of rain and at times it was coming down horizontally.
I went out to check the OBS this morning and to my surprise,even with no skirting covering the gap between the roof and the walls,there was NO Water inside


I'm glad to hear that you have NO problems ,WOW! talk about a Silver lining around the Clouds, I'm going to start hanging around you because you have friends upstairs

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      #6139640 - 10/15/13 07:07 PM

Tim are you going to install "joists" for a ceiling? Hope so that would be a nightmare attaching plywood under the rafters. I went 24" o.c. then put in flat 2x4 blocks 22.5" long between the joists where your long edges on the 1/4" AC run. Your square footage is small enough it shouldn't take but a few sheets. MIke

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      #6140446 - 10/16/13 08:58 AM

Mike,Thanks for your input and advice,Yet I like the vaulted ceiling look with the different angles.
I do not want to ruin all that work by adding the horizontal joists. If I have to,I have access to a drywall jack to assist in getting the plywood sheets up and in the correct position.
I installed drywall on my entire basement ceiling without the assistance of a drywall jack yet that was a number of years ago. I had just built T supports out of 2'x4"'s to hold the sheets up while screwing them in. I think that 1/4" plywood would be much easier to put up than drywall.
Also Mike,I like the headroom inside and the more open feeling I get by having the higher ceiling.
I wanted a bigger building yet cost and the wife held me to the 10'x12' size. I originally wanted 2 piers inside.


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      #6140451 - 10/16/13 09:02 AM

Nate, I think I would rather hang out in Arizona than up here with winter coming on. Your replies are continually appreciated. Need a Graemln with ice hanging off his/her brow/arms and shivering.

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      #6140465 - 10/16/13 09:10 AM

The Clouds have finally parted so I need to get my tail in gear today to get the exterior trim and skirting up. Suppose to get to 54 today and be in the 50's for the next week with lows in the 30's. Yet possible rain at least 3 out of the next 7 days again. Do not think it will get painted 'til next spring. Pine/ Spruce trim and skirts will be okay for one winter season so not worried about that.

Edit: Just went out to get set up and found Ice in the bird bath and covering my decks on the house. BRRRRR!

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      #6140560 - 10/16/13 10:10 AM

Coming along nicely and looking great Tim!

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      #6140616 - 10/16/13 10:33 AM

Tim hey that's cool. It's just that I had to put ceiling joists in mine to have a "deck" if you will to build the 2x6 rafters upon. A hip roof requires a slightly different strategy when considering the end common and jack rafters. Are you going with a flat vault at the top dictated by your collar ties? Lots of tough angles there but like I always say anything worth a damn requires effort!! Mike

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      #6141136 - 10/16/13 03:18 PM

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Nate, I think I would rather hang out in Arizona than up here with winter coming on. Your replies are continually appreciated. Need a Graemln with ice hanging off his/her brow/arms and shivering.


,TIM ! Let Me know when Your coming over and My Wife will make a fresh Pot of Coffee Nate

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      #6141773 - 10/16/13 08:51 PM

Thank you so much Bob.

Hello Mike,Thanks for your reply and question about the collar tie at the peak.I had put those in place when I started for reinforcement "till the roof was done.My intention was and is to take them down yet I will decide that for sure when I get to working on the inside.

Nate ,How about 6:30 in the morning as I have been getting up at that time lately. I thought that when I retired,by no choice of my own by the way,that there would be no more early mornings. Not the case I guess.I can't stand to sleep in any more.


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      #6141820 - 10/16/13 09:13 PM Attachment (17 downloads)

Well,I was able to get done with what I wanted to today except that I was 2 boards shy of finishing the verticals. I had forgotten to get enough wood so as that I could trim out the window.
I opted for now to use 2 of what was intended for the corners for the window trim instead.
I was also able to get up all of the skirting around the gap between the casters and the walls. Again,except where I had planned to put a movable flap on the east side of the OBS.
At least if it does rain tomorrow there definitely will be no water inside.
Finishing the exterior painting will have to wait now 'til Spring, I refuse to paint in temps below 60 degrees F.

Here is the first of a few pic's I took from today.


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      #6141827 - 10/16/13 09:15 PM Attachment (13 downloads)

Here is another shot,Northwest corner showing the west side.

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      #6141834 - 10/16/13 09:17 PM

Looks really good. Now that I am retired, I wish I could force myself to sleep until 6:30. Old habits die really hard. Once you have the observatory up and running, you may find yourself getting up REALLY early to go out and check the skies. From my SQM monitoring, I find that darkest skies occur around 12:30 to 4:30.

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      #6141839 - 10/16/13 09:19 PM Attachment (18 downloads)

Here is another showing the east and the gap that I have yet to cover using a flap that will be made of a minimum 1"x6" board and hinges. I will have a gate or wood storm door latch to hold it up towards the front of the OBS.

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One last shot of the sidings vertical boards,from the east end showing the south side.

My Board and Batten siding is more or less complete.
I used 1"x3" boards for the verticals and 1"x4" boards for the corners and window trim.


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      #6141848 - 10/16/13 09:28 PM Attachment (11 downloads)

Last but not least,for now,This image is of the 2"x12" board that I used for a stop on the west side of the OBS. The image shows the detail of the cutout around the angle iron that is the track for the Roll Off Roof.

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      #6141905 - 10/16/13 09:59 PM

Steve the problem for me will be getting me out of the thing. When viewing ,I tend to pull all nighters. At least now,during the new moon periods,I'll be able to go out when ever I want without having to setup.

Imaging will now be more fun as there will be no tear down time. Just shut everything off and close the roof.
Man,I cannot wait to be done.

Oh and most importantly,Thank You.

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      #6142415 - 10/17/13 08:12 AM

Yes, the go out and "flip a few switches" thing is addictive. I feel you will get a LOT more observing time since little windows of good sky can be easily taken advantage of. You will absolutely LOVE the ease of use.

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Steve, thanks for your reply.
Today I finished up the exterior trim on the west side,2 pieces, and attached the flap on the east side to close the gap between the roof and wall.It will have to be held open when opening the roof.

I also finally built some temprary steps for entry into the OBS.
Temporary,because next spring I will be adding a covered porch to the OBS. I already have enough red steel roofing for the job,yet I want to move on to working on the inside now and the porch is not as important.

I wasn't sure if I was going to post any pic's yet thought I would anyway.Here is the first,a shot of the flap installed today.

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      #6143583 - 10/17/13 07:36 PM Attachment (20 downloads)

Here is another a close up of the hinge style used.

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      #6143597 - 10/17/13 07:44 PM Attachment (16 downloads)

Okay I know this is no big deal yet I like to show everything that gets done on the build. So here is a shot of the temporary steps.

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      #6143638 - 10/17/13 08:06 PM

Tomorrow I plan to move inside and get to work on the electrical. Plan to have atleast 2 outlets per wall and am running cable inside the OBS .

I will be installing an extra 42 inch 120 hertz hdtv in the OBS.
I also will be moving in my surround system from our basement.I want the full surround treatment while viewing and imaging.
I haven't used the system for a couple of years so it will be nice to listen to it again.
As stated earlier,I also plan on having my Bass Guitars out there also for playing since the wife does not appreciate the sound they produce in the house.
There is plenty of wall space so plenty of room.

I am also thinking of using some kind of material for the walls to help absorb the sound that will be produced in there when the roof is closed.Surround sound and a Bass guitar can thump.
This will hopefully prove to be a cool man cave for me.Recliner in the works also.

I plan to have a security system installed even though it will be merely 60 feet from the house.So everything will hopefully be better protected,including my scopes.
Most likely the security system will consist of,hmmmm not sure yet,suggestions welcome.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6143672 - 10/17/13 08:29 PM

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Most likely the security system will consist of,hmmmm not sure yet,suggestions welcome.




Well I use only one locked door with a steel security door and vandal proof 24/7 video security.

If that fails you might try this



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      #6143769 - 10/17/13 09:18 PM

Thanks rimcrazy,for the reply and the link to something I might want to see. Looks hilarious.

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      #6143874 - 10/17/13 10:22 PM

Can Spiders be Trained /\ ( Tim Everything looks good , I like the way you covered up the Gaps on the sides and hinged the back board , COOL Now when Your up & running you will start staying up later & later & later , No Decaf Coffee for You , =

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      #6144501 - 10/18/13 09:34 AM

Nate,I appreciate your approval on what has been done so far. We will see if approval rating changes as I move to finishing the interior.

I have been surprised with the number of responses not being very good.I would think that with the number of OBS out there,I would have received more on questions I have posted.
Is it that once you have an OBS your interest wains in the forums? I do truly appreciate all that have replied.


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      #6144504 - 10/18/13 09:36 AM

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Thanks rimcrazy,for the reply and the link to something I might want to see. Looks hilarious.




On a serious note, steel security doors are really your best friend. Overgaard is a rural area. They are just like any other town with really great people and some real jerks. There was a Father/Son (gotta love it right?) team a while back that were breaking into homes. It was a typical grab and run but there method of break-in was to simply kick in doors. By code, doors open in. 90% of most commercial doors are incredibly weak both at the latch and in the center. A quick kick by a relative strong person can break in a door in seconds. Steel security doors open out and by their very nature of how they are attached, for all intent, cannot be kicked in. That's not to say a determined thief won't look for another entry point but if all you have is one door, there is no other entry point. The best you can do is simply make your residence a very unappealing target. Fact is, there will be plenty of neighbors that won't go to your lengths to be secure. Unfortunate for them but the thieves will most likely head for them and leave you alone. For the most determined thief, short of hiring your own full time 24/7 security team, there is not much you can do.

A steel door works best. My observatory, like many, has a "short" door. My contractor ordered it and it is 6.5' high. For my steel security door, my son, who has a metal fabrication business, took a standard steel door I purchased at Home Depot, and we cut it down and re-welded it back together. It is actually a pretty simple thing to do. All you really need is a grinder with a cutting wheel and access to someone who can Mig weld. It took us under an hour to cut it down and reassemble it back together. You might be able to custom order one but if you can do the work yourself or have access to someone who can help you it's really pretty easy.


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      #6144531 - 10/18/13 09:53 AM

Thank you rimcrazy for your reply.
I am thinking of something on the order of a security cam and maybe an alarm of some sort. We have not had a whole lot of burglaries in our area,yet it only takes one here at home and would feel better about leaving things in there if some sort of security was involved.


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      #6144549 - 10/18/13 10:04 AM

There was something else that I am wondering about.
I have a Gateway model 838GM desktop computer with Windows 7, that had died a little while back. I had it located in a cabinet in my wood working shop and suppose it was the dust that did it in.
One day I came out to the shop and attempted to turn it on,and nothing. Usually you would here the fans start up,yet nothing happened.
What I am wondering is if anyone thinks if it would be worth attempting to fix.
I would like to put it in the OBS to use for running my scopes and camera. I would be using Splashtop on another computer in my shop to view the screen and run everything that way during the winter months.

Now I know it may be impossible to diagnose what the problem may be yet I would appreciate any and all responses. Thank You


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: rimcrazy]
      #6144566 - 10/18/13 10:16 AM

Tim you are really moving. Again that is a great build.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6144567 - 10/18/13 10:17 AM

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Nate,I appreciate your approval on what has been done so far. We will see if approval rating changes as I move to finishing the interior.

I have been surprised with the number of responses not being very good.I would think that with the number of OBS out there,I would have received more on questions I have posted.
Is it that once you have an OBS your interest wains in the forums? I do truly appreciate all that have replied.




I thought your thread was getting good response. Perhaps some of your questions, we did not have experience with, in order to answer. I don't think a lot of us experience our interest in the forum to wain, after ours is built; rather more interest, because we've been there. Also, we might get some ideas we can still apply to our observatories.

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Quote:

Most likely the security system will consist of,hmmmm not sure yet,suggestions welcome.




Having suffered a break-in before, I decided no tot have any exterior windows for my observatory, and the roof sections are held in place by the garage door openers and can't be opened from the outside.

Even with a metal-clad door, the weak link is the door frame, which usually is made of thin wood. Unless you spend $$$ for a steel door frame/door, even with a typical "dead bolt" it is extremely easy for a thief to just kick open the door with enough force to break the door framing.

Therefore, I took the next-best-thing extra step of reinforcing the frame itself with a piece of 3/16ths inch (5 mm) steel plate with pre-drilled holes for the securing bolts and the opening for the dead bolt. With any luck, a potential thief will break their ankle before the door gives way... and I know most everyone who works at the local emergency room


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      #6144601 - 10/18/13 10:42 AM

Tom ,Thank You for your response.

Carol, I do truly appreciate all the response I have received.
It is just that I see the number of views and the number of responses are way different. You may only get one answer to a question put forth. Even though it may be the right one or what you wanted to hear,not much discussion or different viewpoints.

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      #6144612 - 10/18/13 10:49 AM

Bob as always, Thank you for your reply on security.So far I haven't done much more than install a deadbolt and handle. There are different ways/items that a person can get for better securing the door. I will have to choose which one that will work with what I have.

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      #6144619 - 10/18/13 10:53 AM

My door opens outward, which may make it more difficult to kick in. I don't worry however, as the observatory is in full view of the house, plus thru my 4x8 bedroom window. Did I mention I'm an extremely "light" sleeper.

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      #6144650 - 10/18/13 11:10 AM

Bob, I was also wondering what make of deadbolt do you use? For instance,Kwiksets inner mechanisms and housings are not as robust as Dexter by Schlage.

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      #6144656 - 10/18/13 11:16 AM

Carol,I thought about installing the door so that it opens outward,yet then the hinge bolts are on the outside also. Making it easy to just take them out and taking the door off. I almost installed the door that way on my friends OBS 'till I realized this.There must be hinges that are better for exterior outward opening doors.

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      #6144679 - 10/18/13 11:29 AM

Very true.

But again, I'm not concerned in my particular situation. My location, plus the fact I'm home nearly all the time, my house & observatory are pretty secure. Most around here wouldn't even know that it's an observatory, and even what an observatory is! In the event all fails, my insurance covers everything in there.


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      #6144699 - 10/18/13 11:40 AM

Here's something of interest, with exterior hinges.

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      #6144726 - 10/18/13 11:51 AM

Carol, Thank You for your reply.
Yeah,I guess if you are home most of the time,there shouldn't be much concern about security.

I thought I had seen those style of hinges before.Thanks for the link.


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      #6144737 - 10/18/13 11:56 AM

It is finally warming up a little . Started at 30 degrees F this morning..So it is time to get busy on the electric install. Later all. If there is anyone out there that can answer my inquiry about my computer repair question I posted a few comments ago, I would appreciate any and all replies. Thanks

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      #6144767 - 10/18/13 12:13 PM

TIM , When I lived in Louisiana I had two buildings in the back yard where I had most of my tools , And Mean Hi end tools , I use to build and race Motorcycles , Some times at night if I hard a sound I would run to the window a check my buildings , And like Bob said even with a metal door they can still break the door frame , So what I did is add a (Wireless) Buzzer like the ones you see at Small Shops , When You open the door the Buzzer lets the Owner know someone is there , The Speaker part plugged right into a 110 outlet that was on the wall closes to the buildings (Bedroom) We never had a problem with break ins , But if that Buzzer where to go off But if your Not home there's nobody to hear it , You could also have a Key activated Alarm, Alarm Sound when you open the door where your hole Naberhood could hear it , I'm still going to ad the Buzzer to Mine , I just have to remember to unplug it or turn it off when in use so I don't wake up my Loving Wife

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Megabusa]
      #6144823 - 10/18/13 12:49 PM

PC issue could be lots of things but would suspect the power supply if the fan on it doesn't start up . Did you blow out the PC ? We would usually unplug things like hard drive, CDROM , remove memory and see if it POSTS with some error beeps , manufacturer site should give the error beeps info
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      #6144939 - 10/18/13 01:45 PM

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PC issue could be lots of things but would suspect the power supply if the fan on it doesn't start up . Did you blow out the PC ? We would usually unplug things like hard drive, CDROM , remove memory and see if it POSTS with some error beeps , manufacturer site should give the error beeps info
Norm


TIM ! I don't know much about PC problems maybe Norm got the right idea , But I do know this , You said earlier you had (Windows 7) in that PC I think, I got a new (Windows 8) PC for my Obs and had nothing but problems with it (Windows 8 Sucks I think) I could NOT download my software for my scope amongst other things ,I went round & round with Celestron that said it was my new HP PC fault and then round & round with HP that said it was Celestron Software fault So I swapped it with the PC in my office that is ( Windows 7) everything downloaded and everything works perfect now , So I would say it's worth getting it working because of Windows 7 .

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6145048 - 10/18/13 02:53 PM

Tim
I can take a look at it, will call you sunday night when I get back from my trip.
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      #6146265 - 10/19/13 09:21 AM

ninosr,Hey,I am extremely happy see you came to Cloudy Nights. Everyone,Please give a warm welcome to this gentleman. He is a friend and very knowledgeable in astronomy and scope functions.
Thanks nino I'll await your call.

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      #6146275 - 10/19/13 09:32 AM

Welcome to Cloudy Nights! Glad to have you join us on the forums, especially our great little corner here!

How nice that you are not only a friend of Tim's, but that you are close enough to help him out on his observatory! That's what makes this hobby so great!

Thanks for joining, and don't be shy around here!


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      #6146276 - 10/19/13 09:32 AM

Nate, Thank You again for your continued support and advice.
Since I am still working on the OBS,I have time to get something installed for security.
As far as the computer goes,yes it is windows 7 and would love not to have to get another computer with windows 8.


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      #6146286 - 10/19/13 09:40 AM

Norm,Thanks for your reply and advice. The power supply problem is exactly what I am hoping it will be.If it is this,I hope it will not be expensive to replace. It is an older computer,yet I did like how it ran and had very little trouble with it over the years.I should have never moved it to my woodworking shop.
I have another one out here now that I am currently on and need to build some sort of case that has filters all around it so as to keep the dust out. I purchased it at an online store that sold it as refurbished.It was very reasonably priced so I could not pass it up,windows 7 also.

Norm,I don't know what you mean by blow out the PC.Oh Yeah,if you mean clean it,Not enough I guess. I have had it apart and thoroughly cleaned it ,after the fact.

Edited by tim57064 (10/19/13 09:43 AM)


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      #6146319 - 10/19/13 10:07 AM

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      #6146325 - 10/19/13 10:08 AM Attachment (17 downloads)

Well folks,Yesterday I had gotten most of the electrical installed inside the OBS.

The first thing I did was purchase an adapter that allowed me to run the 100' ,12 gauge extension cord,and plug it into the exterior of the OBS.
This is a temporary solution for power 'till next spring.
I have enough work to do for now so burying a power line 60 feet is not something I want to do right now.
Here is the first of a couple of shots of what I got done yesterday.

As you can see,I made a mistake when cutting out the opening for the exterior plug. My bad, as it was suppose to be installed horizontally. Now I am going to take care of this by adding a temporary shield using some 1"x material.

Edited by tim57064 (10/19/13 10:15 AM)


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      #6146328 - 10/19/13 10:11 AM Attachment (13 downloads)

Another image of the adapter.
Now these are commonly used for contractor trailers to supply 110 volt AC to the trailer.
They are also similar to RV 110 volt exterior inlets for power.


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      #6146341 - 10/19/13 10:20 AM Attachment (13 downloads)

Here are a couple of shots of the interior of the OBS showing the wire runs and outlets.

I will eventually have 2 circuits in the OBS since there are 9 outlets and a light fixture.
There will be no use of an electric heater in here yet the 2 circuits will be 20 amp each.


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      #6146344 - 10/19/13 10:22 AM Attachment (6 downloads)

Here is another shot at a different angle.

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      #6146351 - 10/19/13 10:23 AM Attachment (9 downloads)

One last image showing the last of the electric install that I've gotten done so far.

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      #6146356 - 10/19/13 10:26 AM

Looks good !

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      #6146362 - 10/19/13 10:30 AM

Now,I am only using half of the outlets right now as I do not want to blow any breakers as I am only supplying the power to the OBS by way of the extension cord right now.

I will be running underground wire,as stated already, next spring. There will only be a 2 circuits used in the panel inside the OBS and that should be enough for what I have in mind for it.Never more than 3 outlets used at the same time.


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      #6146379 - 10/19/13 10:38 AM Attachment (21 downloads)

This image shows an outlet and an empty electrical box midway up the wall.

If you are wondering why so high,I am installing an HD LCD TV wall mounted, for the times I would like to be watching all shows and DVD's Astro related.
The empty box is for the cable,yet to be installed.


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      #6146385 - 10/19/13 10:41 AM

Thank you Chris,I hope everyone is enjoying this build as much as I am in showing it to you.

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      #6146465 - 10/19/13 11:18 AM

It is starting to warm up a little outside,40 degrees F so I need to get busy.
I have a honey do item along with working on the OBS, that needs to get done today. A wood pile on the side of my woodworking shop needs to get cut up and stacked properly. I was told by you know who,last night,that it needs attention. So 'till later,later ya'all.


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      #6147522 - 10/19/13 10:16 PM

The woodpile is being put off 'til tomorrow. Two of the grandkids showed up today and that kept my wife busy so I was able to get a little more work done.
What I did get accomplished was to get the 8 inch lag bolts installed on the outrigger support poles and horizontals of same.
When I first installed them I only used 3 inch deck screws to attach them. It was time to make a better connection before rolling the roof off.

I also spent a good 2 hours tearing out the old pier that I used prior to this build.
You would think that an 8 inch diameter pier, 42 inches in the ground, would give you a little sass when it comes to tearing it out.
Well an 8lb sledge does a pretty good job and a reciprocating saw/sawzall can handle the re-bar.
You can just see the top third of the pier I'm talking about in my avatar pic. My wife was happy to see it go.
It is tore out to 10 inches below ground level and filled back in with black dirt.

We'll see what tomorrow brings.
Thinking about running into town and getting some of the insulation and maybe something to start covering the walls and ceiling with.

I have been thinking about adding a heat source. I have a wood burning stove that has not been used in a few years and thought it would be welcome in the OBS. We no longer use it in the house as it was intended to be used if the power failed.
About 2 years or so ago we purchased a generator for just an event so the stove has not been used.
There is room on the south side wall in the OBS for it so that is where it will go.
Got approval for that so am good to go.

Guess this is all for now. More to follow tomorrow.

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      #6148133 - 10/20/13 10:11 AM

Well I have come to a slight impasse.
A decision has to be made on what to use for the interior walls. Everything I look at seems to be quite expensive.

What about 7/16"osb plywood? Drywall would require more work and money to finish and as stated by a previous poster here,would tend to be damaged easily.
I asked the wife about osb plywood and she thought it would be okay as I am painting it anyway.

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      #6148144 - 10/20/13 10:18 AM

Tim, if you are installing a television monitor anyway, and you also will be using a computer, why not combine the two functions and have a monitor which can be used either way?

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      #6148264 - 10/20/13 11:39 AM

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Will this be installed in the area around the scope(s)? If so, I'd be concerned about the ash, & heat waves.


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      #6148288 - 10/20/13 11:54 AM

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Well I have come to a slight impasse.
A decision has to be made on what to use for the interior walls. Everything I look at seems to be quite expensive.

What about 7/16"osb plywood? Drywall would require more work and money to finish and as stated by a previous poster here,would tend to be damaged easily.
I asked the wife about osb plywood and she thought it would be okay as I am painting it anyway.


Tim I again used 1/4" AC plywood to cover the walls of my enclosed breezeway from the house to the observatory. Oxboard, strandboard and any equivalents are somewhat rough and tends to puff out splintery material from humid conditions. It requires a lot of coats of protectant to give a fairly smooth finish. At least this has been my observation over the years. Mike

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      #6148873 - 10/20/13 06:35 PM

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Tim, if you are installing a television monitor anyway, and you also will be using a computer, why not combine the two functions and have a monitor which can be used either way?



Steve,I spoke with a neighbor of whom works as a senior tech for the cable company I use. He said hat it would not be a good idea to try and use the LCD TV during the winter months inside the OBS if it will be 30 degrees or less.
It would not work at a temp that low and could cause damage to it. So I am thinking not to install it "till the temps are again above the 30 degree F mark.
I also would be worried about burn in for the screen when operating it as a monitor,as computer screens tend to have static images.
I know they have LCD screens for monitors now a days yet having to replace that screen once already,I am not prepared to take a chance on it.


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      #6148886 - 10/20/13 06:45 PM

Carol,As always thanks for your response and advice.

I had been thinking about the heat transmission problem today while working on the OBS.
My woodburning stove works fairly well in the house and I know ,no matter what you do,you still have to deal with ashes when opening to add more wood and when you empty the old cold ashes.
I was hoping that I could use it in there yet am thinking it may be too close to the scopes themselves. Guess I will have to think of something else or just scrap that idea all together.
Electric heat is out of the question as it is too expensive as it draws way too much power.

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      #6148915 - 10/20/13 07:02 PM

Mike,Thank You so much for continuing to reply.

I had spent a little time today in pricing out the different products to use for the walls. AC plywood,even 1/4" is way more than I wanted to spend.

I ended up getting the 7/16" osb. I understand that the one side is rough,yet it does have a smoother side. That is the side I will have showing. I do intend on painting so it will be protected. Besides,I figured this is not a mansion nor will I be living in it as long as my wife and I get along.
Over $20.00 a sheet versus the $8.00 a sheet for the osb ended up making my decision for me.


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      #6148999 - 10/20/13 07:44 PM

Well, I went into town today and picked up the insulation and the sheeting I am going to use for the interior walls.

Because of the expense,I opted for 7/16" 4'x8' sheets of osb. As I am sure,everyone that has used osb knows that there is a smooth as well as a rough side.
When using it for roof sheathing everyone knows it is rough side up,not unlike Green Side UP for Sod .
Well this is not a mansion and I will be spending a lot of time in it yet not living in it.
I hope my wife will allow me in the house once in a while anyway.
Okay, I do plan on painting the walls so the osb will be protected.

I did get the insulation installed,thank goodness,itching and all.I forgot to pick up some masks though. Glad that it is done.
Tomorrow I hope to get as far as possible on the interior wall and ceiling sheeting. Think I will start with the ceiling as that will take the longest with all the angles of the hip roof.
I do not think it will be that bad though. One full sheet per side and then fill in the gaps.

Sorry folks,no pic tonight. Insulation a little boring.There will be a couple tomorrow I am sure.They will look much better then.


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      #6149023 - 10/20/13 07:58 PM

Tim,

I used my laptop all last winter outside in my ROR. I never noticed any ghosting or other issues.


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      #6149368 - 10/21/13 07:50 AM

Well we are all waiting for more pictures! Inquiring minds want to know (and see). Love this thread.

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      #6149428 - 10/21/13 08:46 AM

Chris,I do love the idea of having a large computer screen,yet then I would also have to have a very large red gel to cover the entire screen while using with the scopes.

Again I am still considering using the Wood burning stove. If I just used small amounts of wood and did not have roaring fires I would hope I would be okay. I really want to spend as much time out there as possible yet without a heat source,I do not think that will happen.
Anyone have any suggestions other than electric or natural gas heat as what I have in my shop. I would not like to have to run a gas line underground to the OBS,as I have enough invested in it already.
I do plan on imaging, wirelessly ,from my shop so as to stay warm. I still need to figure out what to use for that.


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      #6149462 - 10/21/13 09:02 AM Attachment (19 downloads)

Okay Steve You win.I went out this morning,it is 32 derees F out there and took a few shot of the insulated interior. I am glad that you all are enjoying viewing my progress.

Today I am going to tackle the interior wall sheeting.
Here a couple of shots prior to that.


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      #6149466 - 10/21/13 09:04 AM Attachment (10 downloads)

Here is another from a different angle.

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      #6149469 - 10/21/13 09:05 AM Attachment (8 downloads)

Here is another.

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One last shot of the last corner.
I thought I would add that I used 21 regular bats of insulation,R-13 on the walls and ceiling. Yes I know,with the ceiling being constructed of 2"x6" rafters I should have gone with R-19 or higher. I know I will not regret as the cost of everything is sky high.

There is one other thing I need to take care of and since it is suppose to be slightly warmer in the next couple of days,I will take care of it then.
I have yet to cover the underside of the overhangs. Now the OBS is not very large and normally I would have roof vents installed on top,yet for this size and never having used steel roofing before,I opted not to install the them.
So, I see no need to install vents under the eaves.
Besides,there is a mere 5.25" of width under there.
I picked up 1'x6''s at 8 foot,yesterday, to use to fill in the opening. I want to install these when it is a little warmer,yet I have a feeling,it will be done before then.
I cannot stand not to be busy when something needs to get done on this.
Now my wife would say,"then why don't you get some other things done around here." I tend to be a procrastinator when it comes to other things getting done. If she bugs me enough about them though,they do get taken care of,ie; the wood pile needs to be done.

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The pile of branches were from our trees that were damaged in this past springs ice storm. This was only a small fraction of what we had. The rest I hauled off to the branch drop off site,the city set up for everyone.
I know this doesn't have much to do with the OBS yet it is something that is on my Honey do list and since she is allowing me to build My OBS it would be a good idea to get this cut up and stacked neatly as she had asked.

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      #6149512 - 10/21/13 09:40 AM

Looks like that spring storm was just helping you get a more open view of the sky!

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One last image taken of the underside of the eaves.
As I stated, I have the material,1"x6" boards that I am going to use to take care of this. It is only going to be 45 degrees F for a high today so this will be put off 'till Wednesday or so which will then be in the 50's again.


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      #6149529 - 10/21/13 09:52 AM Attachment (17 downloads)

Hello Dan,Very much appreciate responses from you as well as others. Thanks.
Yes the trees that lost the branches are both to the north of the OBS in my backyard. I am having now to cut them down completely as they look terrible. We are going to plant a couple of Red Maples back in their place.
We used to have 9 pines on our small lot,a mere 98'x130'. I had cut them all down within the first 4 years of living here. We have 2 red maples in the front yard and the largest/oldest one was damaged in the ice storm also yet am saving it.
At least now,when the Ash and the Black Maple come down in the back, I will be able to see Polaris and easily polar align.
Here is a pic of the destroyed, in our eyes once 50 foot Ash tree.

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      #6149535 - 10/21/13 09:56 AM Attachment (17 downloads)

Also here is a shot of the Black maple that is also going to come down. This will allow me to view and hopefully image M81,M82 and the entire Hubble Deep Sky Field in that area. Something I have yet to do,from my yard, because of the trees.
I have to thank My wife for allowing me to cut them down and free up the skies view in that area. It will probably take quite a few years before the new Red Maples get high enough to interfere with it again.

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      #6150551 - 10/21/13 08:36 PM Attachment (19 downloads)

Today I worked on the interior walls and ceiling. As stated previously ,I had chosen to use osb for the sheathing.
It was quite chilly this morning so I gave it a little time to warm up.
Well it only got to 49 today yet I was quite comfortable 'till quitting time around 6pm.

The first sheet I cut was rather flawed because of my mis measurement.
Oh I measured twice yet both were wrong.
No problem I had counted on messing up at least once,as always with me.

So anyway,Here is a shot of where I was at 4pm.
At this point there were 6 small pieces left to put up.


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Well then here is a shot of the finished for now ceiling. I had finally got the last piece up by 5:30pm.
I do not know if you can tell,yet it does follow the exterior roof line and is vaulted.
Every single piece was angled.

Edited by tim57064 (10/21/13 08:44 PM)


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My neighbor came home with a surprise for me.
He is a head tech for the cable company I use.
Anyway He brought home enough cable to make a run from inside my garage to where I want my TV to be in the OBS.
It was from an end run of a spool so no big deal he said.
That saved me some money as it is a minimum of a 80 foot long run.


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      #6151187 - 10/22/13 07:42 AM

Thanks for the pictures! Since I am a visual person, they go a long way towards my "participation" in your great project. By the way, how cold does it get there? Any progress on the heating issue? It is one I wrestle with as well and do not have a solution yet.

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Thank you Steve for your response and continued support on my OBS build.
I am also still having to decide what to do about the heating situation.
I have a vent free natural gas heater in my woodworking shop of which is connected to the back of my attached to the house garage.
I was considering doing the same for the OBS yet that would mean that I would have to run a gas line quite deep to get out there.
That could be quite expensive.
Now another option would be to run an electric heater out there and that would need a minimum of a 10/3 with ground 220 volt underground line.
That run needs to be 70 feet long so I have to buy 100 feet of cable.The depth here would have to be a minimum of 15 inches for burial.
The cost of that cable is over $100.00 so I think that I will have to hold off on that 'till next spring I do not know,maybe I will still be able to get it done before the ground freezes.
Since I am on a slightly limited budget,that is what is causing my delay on this.Right now I am running a 12 gauge extension cord and thinking about getting a 10 gauge cord.

I just checked the price on the extension cord,10 gauge,and I might as well get the underground wire as they are about the same price.10 gauge extension cord would still only allow me 20 amps of power anyway.
So unless I come up with the funds for the underground power cable,I am going to wait 'till next spring.

I was considering using a wood burning stove that I have in my basement for backup heat. Yet after figuring out where it would go and finding not enough clearance for same,that has been ruled out,at least where I wanted it to go. If I place it in a corner it has to be even further from the walls than if I had it in the middle of the south wall.
The south wall option places it too close to my pier and scope.
Quite the conundrum.

As far as the temps here, it can get well below zero F here and has about every winter.
We are getting our first snow for the year right now.
It is melting as soon as it hits the ground yet it is white falling out of the sky.
The actual air temp right now is 33 degrees F and only going to get to maybe 40 F today.

Here is a shot of the wood burning stove I had planned on using in the OBS. If I could figure out a way to use it,a place to put it,without causing a heat transference problem,too hot by being too close to the pier and scopes, I would use it.
I started to take it apart to get ready to hall it out to the OBS and decided to wait 'till I found out if it could be used there.
I am still planning on getting a hold of a company that does install of stoves and fireplace to find out if it can still be used.
I am not going to give up on the idea just yet.

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I didn't get a whole lot done on the OBS yesterday.
I had to go over to my Son and Daughter in laws to repair their washing machine.
The pump went out on it and had fun replacing it.
I have replaced a few pumps in my time on these things,yet this is the first time I had to take the entire cabinet off to get to the pump as it was in the front of the machine.
The other thing was,the price.
OMG I was expecting it to be maybe around $40.00 yet turned out to be $72.00,no matter where I called.
Man those kids can't get a break.

Since buying their house, I have had to replace the carpet in the entire house Install 110 volt electric line for their stove,replace a bathtub spout as it broke,Repair some copper water lines as they leaked,and now have to go back in before too long and replace a main line water shut off to install a bathroom in the basement.
I also helped my son tear out the garage floor to replace it and fixed the over head garage door opener.
Cut down a few trees that either were damaged by the Ice storm we had earlier in the year or were already dead.

Now this has been all done in the past year. I thought that maybe since they bought a house ,my son would be more willing to take care of things himself.
I am thinking that his thought might be that Dad,me, is retired so why would I have to do everything, I think maybe this might be the case.

Most of the time I do not mind as I get to see the grand kids more often this way.

Now on to what I was able to do on the OBS.
Since I was in town I picked up a few more items for the OBS .

I broke down and purchased 90 feet of 10/3 with ground underground electrical wire to run to the OBS.
I found it for $1.59 a foot at a local Campbells Supply.
I bought 90 feet so I had enough for the 57 foot run to the house.

Those of you that are not familiar with Campbell Supply it is a Farm and Home and Auto Parts store,just about anything you want is there,except groceries.

I also made the purchase of the breaker panel and 2 20 amp breakers.
I wanted to have 2 separate lines inside the OBS so with everything I plan to run,I do not over load a circuit or have interference from say an electric heater should I decide to use one.
I know it is a little boring without pic's so here are a couple.

First up,the 90 feet of wire. Not going to be fun to install.40 feet of trench to dig by hand 15 inches deep.

Edited by tim57064 (10/23/13 08:29 AM)


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A shot of the 1 sheet of osb attached to the walls. That is all I could muster up for energy to get done before 3:30pm as I stated I had to fix a washing machine today.

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Here is one last shot of the electrical panel I picked up.
I only need 2 breakers, so why get a bigger panel.The cost was about $20.00 for this one.

It is only suppose to get to 44 Degrees today. Kelo TV weather says it is 33* outside right now, yet I think it is colder than that. Hard frost everywhere.
Also suppose to get a mix of rain and snow.


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One last thing I also picked up was something that Carol,csa/montana, had suggested to use to help seal the gap between the roof skirting and the exterior walls.
I picked up 3 packages of it.

Thanks Carol! Will see if this works,hopefully it will.

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More rain which is keeping me from working on the OBS. I am cutting the sheeting for the interior walls in my garage and hauling them to the OBS.Yet do not like having to walk thru the cold rain to get there.
It is suppose to let up before noon,I hope.
So, I am going to wait 'till then to get going.

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      #6154003 - 10/23/13 04:10 PM

Yeah I am getting tired of all the gray cloudy wet weather.

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      #6154191 - 10/23/13 06:25 PM

The bad news is that your weather is coming here. Sigh.

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      #6155084 - 10/24/13 09:30 AM

Hello, I was wondering,what does a person have to do to bring more interest into what is being done or said in a forum?
A person can make multiple posts and only get a minute amount of replies.
Taking the time to post numerous images of what has been done seems to have no impact either.
I apologize if I seem to be whining,yet I try to make my posts as interesting as possible and yet still low or no responses compared to the number I put out there.
I really appreciate those that continue to reply.
Maybe it is the fact that I am retired and have too much time on my hands and many others out there,on CN, have to actually do something to make a living.
This is the only place lately that I have to communicate what is on my mind or what I have to offer.
I am not a club person per say ,tried that and do not like the politics.
Please,excuse my rant. I hate this time of year as the cold makes it so I do not want to get outside and feel cooped up.Going to be a long winter I feel,and it hasn't even started yet.

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      #6155106 - 10/24/13 09:43 AM

Quote:

Here is one last shot of the electrical panel I picked up.
I only need 2 breakers, so why get a bigger panel.The cost was about $20.00 for this one.

It is only suppose to get to 44 Degrees today. Kelo TV weather says it is 33* outside right now, yet I think it is colder than that. Hard frost everywhere.
Also suppose to get a mix of rain and snow.


I like Square D Stuff , When I built my house I used Square D , I ran 10-Ga and I used all 15 AMP outlets and piggybacked both my 15 AMP Breakers to split My control-room Lights and Power on one side and did the same for the Obs side ,

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      #6155122 - 10/24/13 09:54 AM

I too am not a club person for a variety of reasons. I like this particular thread because:

+ It has pictures and I am a visual person
+ It is highly detailed and I learn stuff
+ Tim is so much more skilled than I am (which makes me a bit envious, but keeps my interest high)

But not all threads grab me. Some because of the lack of the positives above, some because I cannot relate as well as I can to this thread.

Some threads give me ideas for my own situation or give me caveats of things not to do with my observatory.

This board is a smörgåsbord of stuff, some of which will appeal, others of which will not.


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      #6155131 - 10/24/13 09:56 AM

Oh, and Tim's weather comes here so I can get ready.

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      #6155133 - 10/24/13 09:57 AM

Nate ,Thank you so much for you continued support and replies.
Before my whining rant I failed to thank Mary B and Steve for their replies.


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Steve as always I can count on getting a pick me up here.
As for being skilled?,I make so many mistakes and at times it seems as though I do not learn from them as on the next project I make the same ones.

The weather front here is changing as far as gloom and doom is concerned.Gonna be clearing up the next couple of days.


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Quote:

I too am not a club person for a variety of reasons. I like this particular thread because:

+ It has pictures and I am a visual person
+ It is highly detailed and I learn stuff
+ Tim is so much more skilled than I am (which makes me a bit envious, but keeps my interest high)

But not all threads grab me. Some because of the lack of the positives above, some because I cannot relate as well as I can to this thread.

Some threads give me ideas for my own situation or give me caveats of things not to do with my observatory.

This board is a smörgåsbord of stuff, some of which will appeal, others of which will not.


I guess you want photos , I can see that !

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      #6155192 - 10/24/13 10:22 AM

I have to add something here. If Cloudy Nights Forums were not here,I do believe that my interest in astronomy would not have been renewed and the building of my Observatory would never have gotten to the point it is.

I must give a Huge Thank You to everyone that has come to my rescue in reviving my interest.


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      #6155198 - 10/24/13 10:25 AM

You know Nate? I would have not thought about framing in the electrical panel. I like it.
Are those 2 double breakers or 4 individual?

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Quote:

I have to add something here. If Cloudy Nights Forums were not here,I do believe that my interest in astronomy would not have been renewed and the building of my Observatory would never have gotten to the point it is.

I must give a Huge Thank You to everyone that has come to my rescue in reviving my interest.


TIM! From Me , Your Welcome , And I feel the same way you do , I would never have started mine if it were not for everyone on here.

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      #6155248 - 10/24/13 10:46 AM

To Everyone here,

Michael


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      #6155274 - 10/24/13 10:59 AM

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You know Nate? I would have not thought about framing in the electrical panel. I like it.
Are those 2 double breakers or 4 individual?


2 double breakers there Tim , (Piggybacks) , My lights in the Control-Room are on one , Lights in Obs are on one, Power in Control-Room are on one, and Power in Obs are on one , This is just the way I did it , It's not really necessary . Sometimes when I start something I get out of hand

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      #6155311 - 10/24/13 11:14 AM

Hey Tim,

I love your thread. I wondered the same about my threads because some tend to get more 'love' than others. I figure it's just based on h fantastical or if it's a unique design. I think your posts are great and I really like your build. I'd love to see it some time! If you're ever over in Rapid City, you're more then welcome to see my shed too

Once you get everything together we should do some collaboration. I've seen guys who take pictures of the same object over a few nights... So I could do the narrowband and you could do the RGB for instance or vice versa. That way we get more(better?) data over a shorter time. There is software to basically resize our data to make it match.

Anyways, thanks for all your posts. I don't always write in here but I love reading your thread. Keep it up!

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O by the way ! Piggybacks or designed to add breakers if you have no more room in you box for a Breaker ,Long as you don't exceed the lamentations on the Panel , You can take one single out and put a piggyback Double in , I ran out when I was building my house , Just like My Obs I wanted everything on separate breakers , All my Outlets or 20Amp and split in most rooms , Lights 15Amp , and so on ,

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Here's the Panel in my other building next to my Obs , I framed this one in to .

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      #6155409 - 10/24/13 12:10 PM

The framing does add an aura of class. I would allow for expansion if feasible by adding a couple unused breakers. In my case, I have a LOT of outlets, including four on the pier but no breakers. I have everything run to my whole house generator, "just in case". I can see being trapped in the observatory without being able to run the shutter or dome.

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      #6156356 - 10/24/13 09:02 PM

Chris,Thank you so much for your sentiments.
If you ever did make it to this side of the state,you would be welcome to come check out the OBS and if at some point my wife and I head that way again,I would love to do the same on your end.

A collaborative night imaging would be fun.
We could use Skype as a means to chat while doing so.
Thanks again,keep in touch


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      #6156377 - 10/24/13 09:14 PM

Steve, LOL on running it to your house generator .

Tim,

No worries bro. It would be fun! You ever check out www.nightskiesnetwork.com? It's for Mallincam and video camera users but it's a fun place to look around. You can use programs like WebCamMax to share your desktop and us 'imagers' can use it to share what we're doing on there. It's pretty entertaining.

I'd be down. I'll keep an eye on your thread and we can work something out when you're closer to completion. Weekends work best for me (military).

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      #6156413 - 10/24/13 09:34 PM

Nate,If I had a warm room attached to the OBS I guess I would have 4 breakers also.
As it is 2 20 amp is probably going to be enough for my applications,9 outlets and 2 light switches.


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      #6156417 - 10/24/13 09:35 PM

Steve,Whole house generator huh? Power must go out as much as it does here.I finally broke down a couple years ago and picked up a 10,000 watt generator just for those numerous occasions. Had to use it three times this year.
Hooked up our elderly neighbor to it also since she is on oxygen practically all the time.
The last time though another neighbor did the same for her.


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Well the clouds went away for a while and it warmed up into the upper 40's today. So I got back to installing the sheeting on the walls.
I was able to get all the full size sheets installed so all that is left is a couple small pieces per wall.
I was thinking the other day what would be wrong with just hanging all the sheets so that the seems all lined up,yet decided to hand it normally as you would drywall,like you would laying brick,offset. Makes a much stronger wall.


Now ,I know this does not look like much right now,just imagine paint on the walls. Wish I had a fish eye lens.
Here's a shot from today's progress.


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Just One more shot from a different angle.

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I also took the time to install the breaker box since I needed to get the walls done. All the wiring is in place and only have one light switch left to install and of course all the covers.
Tomorrow it is going to be into the 60's so I plan on working outside,digging the trench for the underground wire and cable.
Hopefully will also finish up the angle iron for the roll off operation and install the 1"x6''s for under the overhangs. It is going to be a busy day.

Here is a shot of the installed breaker box. I know boring.


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      #6156480 - 10/24/13 10:15 PM

That's pretty impressive. I'm imaging tonight! First night in almost a month.

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      #6156489 - 10/24/13 10:24 PM

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That's pretty impressive. I'm imaging tonight! First night in almost a month.



Thanks Chris, It is clear here also yet since the OBS is not quite finished and I am quite tired,I am holding off on setting up the scopes. Hope you have good luck and would love to see what you get. Shooting remotely then?


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      #6156670 - 10/25/13 01:02 AM

I'm always remote it's fantastic being nice and snug inside while watching from an iPad. Logmein is amazing!

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      #6156910 - 10/25/13 07:51 AM

Quote:

Steve,Whole house generator huh? Power must go out as much as it does here.I finally broke down a couple years ago and picked up a 10,000 watt generator just for those numerous occasions. Had to use it three times this year.
Hooked up our elderly neighbor to it also since she is on oxygen practically all the time.
The last time though another neighbor did the same for her.




Yeah, it is rather poor here. Longest outage (so far) was two days, but we have lots of little ones. Since I have aquaria and a pond, I want to keep the life support on those going. Occasionally the neighbors are a bit frosted when we have lights and they do not. And, of course, since the observatory dome, etc is all motorized, there is no reason NOT to have them on the generator.


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      #6156952 - 10/25/13 08:31 AM

Chris,
Running the OBS in the winter is exactly what I would like to get done sometime in the future.
Since I have a Dslr that I will use for imaging.
I am thinking that having a garage door opener would be overkill for me as I do not think I could get a go ahead from the wife.
Also,since I would have to go out and setup the camera each time I wanted to image,it would be very simple just to open the roof manually with hand winches.
I have yet to purchase them although I do have a place to get them. Just need to do it.

I do need to figure out what I need for wireless operation from camera to computer and mounts to computer.
I would be worried about wired operation if I were not in the OBS to make sure they would not get tangled up.


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      #6156979 - 10/25/13 08:47 AM

Steve,thanks for replying.I can see why you need the whole house generator then with the fish and pond,you have to keep them alive. Can be quite a time investment,I know I used to have Koi in a pond. Yet you probably have a salt water aquarium too huh.

Two days is longer than the power outages we have had.
Been lucky with only 12 hours a couple of times. Although out in west river here in SD this year people went without power for a week or 2 because of the early blizzard.


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      #6157051 - 10/25/13 09:37 AM

Cable management isn't that bad. I use nylon cable wraps and Velcro ties and I haven't had a hang up in ages.

I think we could figure out how to combine data from adsorption and my st10. There are some neat programs that can help us make that happen. Are you going to be imaging through your lx200?


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Raginar]
      #6157077 - 10/25/13 09:50 AM Attachment (15 downloads)

Have yet to try the LX200 as it is in my friends OBS 75 miles away. He is suppose to be bringing it back to me this weekend,I hope.
Yes, I do plan imaging with it, as well as my CR150 and 8se at different times of course.
I wish I had been able to make the OBS big enough to have handled 2 scopes at the same time.

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      #6157080 - 10/25/13 09:51 AM

You putting that cr150 on a cg5?!

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      #6157098 - 10/25/13 09:57 AM Attachment (10 downloads)

Well,Yes for the moment I have to use it on the CG5 ADV. I wish that I had the finances to get at least a CGEM yet the OBS took my available money to spend.

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      #6157357 - 10/25/13 12:21 PM

No worries. The cg5 is a beast.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6157404 - 10/25/13 12:48 PM

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I also took the time to install the breaker box since I needed to get the walls done. All the wiring is in place and only have one light switch left to install and of course all the covers.
Tomorrow it is going to be into the 60's so I plan on working outside,digging the trench for the underground wire and cable.
Hopefully will also finish up the angle iron for the roll off operation and install the 1"x6''s for under the overhangs. It is going to be a busy day.

Here is a shot of the installed breaker box. I know boring.


Wait to it's all Framed In

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Raginar]
      #6158204 - 10/25/13 09:04 PM

Chris,I happen to think your MI250 is huge. Where did you pick up that mount. It would be a dream of mine to have a mount that substantial.
I do like the CG5 ADV as the goto's are rather nice yet a bigger mount would be great for My CR150 or the 10"meade.


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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Raginar]
      #6158231 - 10/25/13 09:16 PM

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Cable management isn't that bad. I use nylon cable wraps and Velcro ties and I haven't had a hang up in ages.

I think we could figure out how to combine data from adsorption and my st10. There are some neat programs that can help us make that happen. Are you going to be imaging through your lx200?



It would be so cool if we could do what you suggest.Only have to both have clear nights at the same time. I would appreciate it if I could get more info from you on the remote imaging,ie;what you use to accomplish it. It seems that the distance you have to your OBS is about the same as mine is to my woodworking shop.


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      #6158256 - 10/25/13 09:36 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

Well today I was able to get the trench dug,by hand,45 feet at 15 inches in depth.The 10/3 with ground ,underground wire and the RG6 cable,for my HDTV is now buried.
What is left is running them into my shop and hook up the power to the electric panel in there and the cable tv cable run into my garage where I have a splitter set up.

I was also able to finish the install,screw down the remaining 14 1/2 feet of the angle iron track for the roll off operation and test for the first time.
Man am I glad that is done.
I was worried that I had waited too long before doing this.
No need to worry though as it worked flawlessly. Here is a shot ,for the first time, of the roof rolled off of the building.
What I was worried about was whether the roof would be completely off the building so no moisture from dew or what ever would come off and get into the building. With the roof completely out of the way,I have 18 additional inches of end clearance for the casters.

Now all I have to do to it is place a stop at the end run so the roof will not go off the track at the end.
Disaster waiting to happen.

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      #6158257 - 10/25/13 09:39 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

Here is another shot from a different angle.

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      #6158295 - 10/25/13 09:58 PM

Tim, throw in some networking cable!!! You want cat5 direct burial in tha trench too. Then you can network it. It'll make your remote imagjng significantly easier.

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      #6158302 - 10/25/13 10:02 PM

The mi250 was the best money I've spent on astronomy. It's rock solid from a mechanical perspective. It's a little dates but was retrofitted with a gemini2 so it hS all the modern conveniences.

Excuse my spelling btw, I tend to type on my iPhone and it's horrible.

As for the imaging, we could do your dslr for color and I could provide the narrowband . Best bet would probably be the lx200. I think that 150 and your cg5 might have a tough time.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Raginar]
      #6158363 - 10/25/13 10:35 PM

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Tim, throw in some networking cable!!! You want cat5 direct burial in tha trench too. Then you can network it. It'll make your remote imagjng significantly easier.



Talked to my neighbor of whom is a tech with my cable company he said the same thing today about the cat5 yet did not have the money for it right now. Can't spend another $115.00 or more on that right now. Still need a few other items as the hand winches and others. I will get it soon and take care of it. Thanks Chris.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Raginar]
      #6158367 - 10/25/13 10:37 PM

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The mi250 was the best money I've spent on astronomy. It's rock solid from a mechanical perspective. It's a little dates but was retrofitted with a gemini2 so it hS all the modern conveniences.

Excuse my spelling btw, I tend to type on my iPhone and it's horrible.

As for the imaging, we could do your dslr for color and I could provide the narrowband . Best bet would probably be the lx200. I think that 150 and your cg5 might have a tough time.

Chris



I have used the cr150 on the mount and would not image with it.Will see how much more stable it is on the new pier. Really ,Really want a CGEM.


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      #6158409 - 10/25/13 11:08 PM

Skip the CGEM. I owned one prior to the Mi250. It was frustrating at unless you kept the imaging weight low. I guess if you could test it for a few months to make sure it didn't have any of the issues... that harmonic is a really beast to deal with at longer focal lengths.

Save your pennies and go big now that you've got an observatory. Even if it took a couple of years, a AP mount would be a good edition to such a beautiful obs. Anything less... well, it wouldn't be as great as the building you put it in.


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      #6158421 - 10/25/13 11:16 PM

Chris,I would have to collect my own life insurance policy to pay for an AP mount

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      #6158434 - 10/25/13 11:24 PM

My other thought was maybe an Atlas EQG as I have seen a few at $1000.00 or less used.
It still would be a while before I could get one now.

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: Raginar]
      #6158640 - 10/26/13 04:56 AM

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Tim, throw in some networking cable!!! You want cat5 direct burial in tha trench too. Then you can network it. It'll make your remote imagjng significantly easier.




Absolutely. I have a double run. cat5 is cheap and you never know. In my case, I run it to a ethernet hub which can then feed a variety of useful devices, primarily computer related. (I installed remote desktop so I can do everything from my home, where it is nice and warm, using the observatory computer) When I was planning for this whole project, I realized that infrastructure was critical and had to be done right the first time. So, I made provision for extra electrical outlets and networking. So I deferred some things (delayed) but insured capability going forward.

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      #6158726 - 10/26/13 08:09 AM

Should the cat 5 cable be routed in a different trench than that for the AC lines?

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Re: In the process of Building my Observatory. new [Re: tim57064]
      #6158737 - 10/26/13 08:28 AM

For your ethernet I'd go with fiber, it won't cost you any more than cat 5 and you won't have to worry about lightning which will get you sooner or later with cat 5 in the ground (I speak from experience, it might be years later but it will destroy anything connected on each end) . The converters will cost more than the fiber but you can buy them later if you aren't in a hurry.
30 meters 98 ft) of fiber $17.33
2 converters @$66 ea

You can find the converters cheaper on ebay just make sure they match your fiber ends , multimode sc connectors etc

http://www.cablewholesale.com/products/fiber-optic/multimode-duplex-62.5-125/...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704115

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Quote:

Tim, throw in some networking cable!!! You want cat5 direct burial in tha trench too. Then you can network it. It'll make your remote imagjng significantly easier.




Absolutely. I have a double run. cat5 is cheap and you never know. In my case, I run it to a ethernet hub which can then feed a variety of useful devices, primarily computer related. (I installed remote desktop so I can do everything from my home, where it is nice and warm, using the observatory computer) When I was planning for this whole project, I realized that infrastructure was critical and had to be done right the first time. So, I made provision for extra electrical outlets and networking. So I deferred some things (delayed) but insured capability going forward.




Steve,Thank You for your continued replies and advice.
I did not get the cat5 underground cable in the trench as I did not have the time right now to run get it and having no idea as to what it would cost was not prepared for it.
Last night I googled it and found one run of 100 feet for $115.00 and thought,No way right now,too much.
Then this morning I was on Amazon and found 100 feet direct burial cat5e cable for $40.00.
Still,I would have not had the time to wait for it to arrive as the weather will be changing for the worst on Tuesday.

What I am thinking,I will order the cable and install the one end in the OBS and leave it rolled up under the OBS. When I want to use it,string it out to my shop and connect that way.
I can bury it next spring. Sound like a plan?

Here is a shot of what I have left to do from yesterday.

The 10/3 with ground and cable that I have run to the obs are both going to be running under the deck and then into my shop.

Steve,Why did you bury 2 runs of cat5 cable?

Edited by tim57064 (10/26/13 09:43 AM)


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